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dddrees - that bend is real.  Check actual model pic above.

 

 

Do not like diamond encrusted men's watches too as a matter of preference. I have yet to see one that captures my fancy.

 

 

It is largely because of the mechanism of the new CH29-535 movement, but it does bother me that the two subdials on "3" and "9" are... NOT right by "3" and "9."  Instead, they are slightly south of the equator.  Do you see that?  If you didn't see it before, you can't unsee it now.

Understood, that's why I said I think it looks terrible.

 

 

Fail = terrible.

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roger, thanks, man!

ReversoLover - very nice both of those.
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frilly, i think the ones where the tachy font mirrors the minute track look nice, much more unobtrusive.

nice wrists shots, fellas, here is mine for the day:

 

Yes, agree. Love. The. Watch. And. The. Jacket/Cuff. Shot!

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That Glashutte is a real beauty and the WW2 Zenith defines manliness; excellent pieces!

Love those both. Not digging the Zenith's strap but love that vintage face!
post #25745 of 33946
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I actually think the tachymeter and even the weird bend in it, could be stylish and interesting; a deliberate asymmetrical quirk to push the envelope a bit.  Really, I could live with that if it seemed like more of a choice and less of a compromise.

 

 All the subdials could be 2mm higher,

I don't mind tachymeters on chronographs (obviously it depends on the chronograph), but IMHO the bend just looks like an ugly compromise.  

 

I agree, I would prefer it if the subdials were moved upward so that the centers of the hands (for minutes/seconds) were lined up/centered with the 3 and 9 hour markers.

 

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I think this is the same "evolution" in design that Patek went through when they discontinued the 3970 in 2004 and came out with the 5970.  It took them "three years to design the 5970" because the "3970 was so iconic" but "they felt that they succeeded" (in coming up with a better model).  I don't agree, at least aesthetically.  Here's the 3970:

 

When they came out with the 5970, they didn't change the base movement (CH27-70).  They made the case size larger (from the 3970's 36mm to the 5970's 39mm), added a tachymeter, and made a few other changes (pushers became square from round/pump, lugs more flared):

 

 

But now, see how the moonphase/date cuts off the tachy at the end.  This bothered people like me, but looks fine in person and clearly does not bother the overall secondary market, as the 5970 in various metals trades at anywhere from a $20,000 to $30,000 premium versus comparable 3970 models.  Also an issue of supply, since, for example, the 5970 in yellow gold was only produced for one year (2009) before the entire reference was discontinued.  Probably less than 100 made.

Yes, Patek has placed tachymeters on various chronographs over the years.  As you know since they kept the same base movement, they added the tachymeter to fill in some dial space on the 5970.  The 5070 also has a tachymeter (while it is supposed to resemble a vintage Patek that I believe had a tach, I forget the ref # for its inspiration) it would have a rather empty looking dial without a tachymeter, as its case is 42mm, and the base Lemania movement was designed for pieces that were 36 and 37mm such as PP's 3970 and VC's Historiques Chronograph.  

 

The tach on the 5970 and its effect on the moonphase/date clearly bothers some people.  However, its premium over the 3970 doesn't negate that issue, its merely in spite of it and due to its relatively short production run compared to the 3970.  The 3970 is a more classic and beautiful design.  

 

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And I completely agree with your statement regarding a design being quirkily asymmetrical. I think that this VC is an excellent example:



Here though it is clear that the asymmetrical face was designed with purpose, rather than as an afterthought.

Maybe we tend to be more accustomed to subdials or functions being at 3 and 9.  However, VC has done over under subdials in the past, on watches like ref 48100, Les Historiques Power Reserve,and 48101, and actually Cartier did something similar on their 38mm Pasha GMT Power Reserve, and Patek also did over under subdials on their 5034 and 5134 Travel Time (although with both of their subdials being the same size and shape it looks very symetric).

 

For a look at some real asymmetric dials see VC's Les Complications Power Reserve with Date(there are a few reference numbers depending on case shape and dial),or PP's 5015 and 5054.

 

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1. that VC is awesome.

2. it strikes me as more symmetrical than non, just vertically.

3. whats with PP and the tachys? they dont seem to add anything to the watches aesthetic, to me anyways, and i dont thing anyone actually uses them functionally.

+1  on 1 and 2.

 

While the tach isn't particularly useful to most people today, I don't mind it on some watches. 

 

 

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Hey guys, relative newcomer to SF, but I'm a frequently lurker to watchprosite, TRF, TimeZone and Hodinkee. Anyways, here's my contribution:





Got this baby a few years ago as a college graduation/congrats on med school acceptance gift. Nice to meet more fellow WIS!

 

Nice Pepsi.  My dad got a SS Pepsi when he graduated medical school in 1970...back then it was $250 in steel or $500 in all gold. 

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 I think my target for when all of this school is over will be a 5711 or 5712 - still can't solve that conundrum

There is no wrong answer regarding the choice of 5711 or 5712.

 

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frilly, i think the ones where the tachy font mirrors the minute track look nice, much more unobtrusive.

nice wrists shots, fellas, here is mine for the day:


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Very sharp!  Liking the various blues a lot!!!

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Yes, agree. Love. The. Watch. And. The. Jacket/Cuff. Shot!


fistbump.gif thanks, mang!
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+1  on 1 and 2.
While the tach isn't particularly useful to most people today, I don't mind it on some watches.
 

you make a good point about a tachy making sense on a chrono. i think my issue is that i really see these PPs as perps with a chrono, maybe thats my own personal problem.
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Very sharp!  Liking the various blues a lot!!!

thanks you kindly! thats exactly what i liked most too. smile.gif
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you make a good point about a tachy making sense on a chrono. i think my issue is that i really see these PPs as perps with a chrono, maybe thats my own personal problem.

 

I think you're on to a great point here: a tachy makes sense on a chrono.  And many Patek chronos have tachys that work.  For example:

 

1.  The 5070, that fairly recent "classic" - which now trades at a premium versus its last retail price:

 

 

2.  Its successor the 5170 - in yellow gold, the 5170J was never that big a hit.  Patek has discontinued production.

 

 

3.  The 5170 in white gold, same as the one above except with Breguet numerals.  Introduced in Basel this year, seems like it's more desired than the 5170J above.

 

 

But I guess there's a point when adding more complications to a chrono - like a perpetual calendar - begins to make the dial look very busy and potentially messy.  And dial design must therefore be executed with much care and thought.  The 3970 circumvented the "messiness" issue by not adding a tachymeter.  Add a tachymeter to the 3970 or the 5270 and... it can get messy.

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Nice Pepsi.  My dad got a SS Pepsi when he graduated medical school in 1970...back then it was $250 in steel or $500 in all gold. 
There is no wrong answer regarding the choice of 5711 or 5712.

^^Thanks for the kind words, Dino; if only one could get a Rolex for as much now! haha
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But I guess there's a point when adding more complications to a chrono - like a perpetual calendar - begins to make the dial look very busy and potentially messy.  And dial design must therefore be executed with much care and thought.  The 3970 circumvented the "messiness" issue by not adding a tachymeter.  Add a tachymeter to the 3970 or the 5270 and... it can get messy.

I'm personally a HUGE fan of the 5170G. I think the Breguet numerals add a unique twist to the usual Patek line-up, vaguely reminiscent of the gold chrono that was recently put up for auction (http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/one-of-three-known-patek-philippe-ref-1563-splits-seconds-chronographs-on-the-block-at-christies-geneva); and I personally love the tachy because in this specific example it can be used to measure a patient's pulse! A true doctor's watch!
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I think you're on to a great point here: a tachy makes sense on a chrono.  And many Patek chronos have tachys that work.  For example:

 

2.  Its successor the 5170 - in yellow gold, the 5170J was never that big a hit.  Patek has discontinued production.

 

 

3.  The 5170 in white gold, same as the one above except with Breguet numerals.  Introduced in Basel this year, seems like it's more desired than the 5170J above.

 

 

But I guess there's a point when adding more complications to a chrono - like a perpetual calendar - begins to make the dial look very busy and potentially messy.  And dial design must therefore be executed with much care and thought.  The 3970 circumvented the "messiness" issue by not adding a tachymeter.  Add a tachymeter to the 3970 or the 5270 and... it can get messy.

I agree the tach seems to work better when its on a chronograph rather than a perpetual chronograph.  As for the 5170, I prefer the white gold.  I don't like the mix of Romans, stick markers, and then Arabic markers for subdials at tach.  IMHO its just too many forms styles of numbers/markers.  As chronographs by nature are tend to be a bit sporty, I prefer seeing sticks and Arabic numerals or all Arabic numerals.  Romans always seem a bit stuffy and out of place on chronographs, I don't like them on ALS's old Datograph or on some of the WG Rolex Daytonas.

 

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Nice Pepsi.  My dad got a SS Pepsi when he graduated medical school in 1970...back then it was $250 in steel or $500 in all gold. 
There is no wrong answer regarding the choice of 5711 or 5712.

^^Thanks for the kind words, Dino; if only one could get a Rolex for as much now! haha

Yea, I know my Dad wishes he could go back in a time machine and pick up a few watches in 1970 and bring them back here.

 

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I'm personally a HUGE fan of the 5170G. I think the Breguet numerals add a unique twist to the usual Patek line-up, vaguely reminiscent of the gold chrono that was recently put up for auction (http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/one-of-three-known-patek-philippe-ref-1563-splits-seconds-chronographs-on-the-block-at-christies-geneva); and I personally love the tachy because in this specific example it can be used to measure a patient's pulse! A true doctor's watch!

Although the tach can be used for measuring a patient's pulse, I know when my Dad was in practice he never used the tach on his Patek for that.  Still its a good excuse for buying a Patek chronograph.  Now you just need to see if you can find a creative accountant who can help you write it off as a business expense ;)   

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I agree the tach seems to work better when its on a chronograph rather than a perpetual chronograph.  As for the 5170, I prefer the white gold.  I don't like the mix of Romans, stick markers, and then Arabic markers for subdials at tach.  IMHO its just too many forms styles of numbers/markers.  As chronographs by nature are tend to be a bit sporty, I prefer seeing sticks and Arabic numerals or all Arabic numerals.  Romans always seem a bit stuffy and out of place on chronographs, I don't like them on ALS's old Datograph or on some of the WG Rolex Daytonas.

Yea, I know my Dad wishes he could go back in a time machine and pick up a few watches in 1970 and bring them back here.

Although the tach can be used for measuring a patient's pulse, I know when my Dad was in practice he never used the tach on his Patek for that.  Still its a good excuse for buying a Patek chronograph.  Now you just need to see if you can find a creative accountant who can help you write it off as a business expense wink.gif    

Ah yes, if only!
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Looking to buy a watch. I have about a grand to spend. Looking at an oris big crown or one of the aviation models.

To me it seems like a nice watch, any opinions or other suggestions for a watch in that style?

Another more expensive option would be a bell & Ross officer. Thoughts appreciated.
Edited by habitant - 10/17/13 at 8:46pm
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Looking to buy a watch. I have about a grand to spend. Looking at an iris big crown or one of the aviation models.

To me it seems like a nice watch, any opinions or other suggestions for a watch in that style?

Another more expensive option would be a bell & Ross officer. Thoughts appreciated.


Have you looked at Hamilton? It's in your price range and they have models ranging from classic to funky
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In that price range, I also like to recommend Stowa and Nomos, although the latter is a bit more expensive. If you want tool watches, you may want to look at Sinn and Damasko.
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