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I wish I was in the position to make such a decision! That is a tough one in my opinion. From the looks of it, you seem to have liquidated some of your collection (judging from your recent posts in the TZ Showcase forum)?

In the case, I would probably steer clear of the FPJ, although it is my favorite of the three. The reliability of Journe worries me, I have heard far too many horror stories to be comfortable. Aesthetically and functionally it is my favorite of the three. The resonance concept is just very intriguing to me.

Between the PP and the AP, I just think it is like comparing apples to oranges. I think it comes down to personal tastes at the end of the day. Personally, I prefer the PP. But I am not sure if I would personally get enough use out of it to justify the price. I have felt more and more intrigued by "one pieces" lately, a la the Nautilus, AP RO, etc., and I think that the RO Skeleton could accomplish this much better.
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I've never liked ultra-complicated sport watches. Two don't jibe for me. I don't hate ultra-complications but IMO don't belong in a steel case & bracelet sport watch

ah, doesn't bother me, but i do understand what you mean there. had it been a more classically dressy dial i would be more inclined to not see the jive, but i think they did this well. ymmv clearly.
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Moo, forgive my ignorance, what what IS that?!  Awesome industrial-looking bezel anyway. Your desk knows it's been dived now!

Thanks man. It is a UTS 3000M (this one being the "Grey Ghost" model). Four tiny screws and the bezel change is complete.

Here is a great article on the brand: http://www.watchtime.com/featured/one-man-brand-story-uts-divers-watches/

"UTS are German-made professional divers’ watches, all with cases made in-house from single blocks of steel by engineer Nicolaus Spinner."

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"And Spinner — all on his own, with no assistants — not only assembles them but mills all of their cases, on his own CNC machines, from single blocks of German stainless steel. This is no mean feat; many larger watch companies, even those producing expensive luxury models, use the more common, more industrialized stamping method to make their cases, which involves forcing heated metal into molds and dies. Spinner’s process is far more hands-on and far more labor-intensive."

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So Moo--since this is TWAT, and we love explanations, care to describe how you came to this decision? It is quite an intriguing looking watch, and it is quite different from what is currently in your stable (if my memory serves me correctly).

So... explanation is pretty simple. I don't allocate massive amount of funds to watches, because I am generally a watch monogamist - that is, I wear one watch all the time if I love it. Same happens to shoes and other items. That happened when I acquired my Omega Speedmaster. I wore it for a year straight, every day. In the ocean, at work, weddings, state fairs, etc. I had my other watches, mostly sub-$1000 brands that I purchased when I was college-aged, but they were on the back burner big time.

Recently, I came to the conclusion that I did not like having 5-6 watches just sitting there while I wore 1 watch - a waste of... something. So, I started researching a sort of "one-watch" for the weekend, evenings at home, etc. Not really for work (although, it could be worn when I am not meeting with clients, etc....). I knew that I wanted something rare, hand made, under $7500 or so, and beefy (but not too beefy - the sweet spot for me is 42-43mm). I did not know about UTS until I was well into my search, and I do a ton of research for such things. The chase is at least as fun as the actual purchase for me. After doing plenty of research about the brand, how the watches were made in-house, by one man, in quantities of about 200 per year, I decided to take the plunge. So here we are. The watch is fantastic in every way, and is exactly what I wanted. biggrin.gif
Edited by Mr. Moo - 9/12/13 at 9:51am
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here is the exact verbiage from their service paperwork:
I wonder if they force the service on you. I kinda sounds like they might.

While the language defines what makes it a counterfeit, it mostly discusses that it is illegal to sell one.  Regardless of the stated policy, at least from the few people I've heard from that ran into this issue, with say an aftermarket diamond bezel, they were told, Rolex would confiscate the aftermarket bezel and install an authentic Rolex bezel, or they would return the watch to them and will not service it.  That was a few years ago, and things may have changed.  Perhaps they are more strict about that policy now.  

 

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The Mrs. has been talking about getting a more "robust" watch for day-to-day business wear and finally settled on this one. 31mm DJ in rose gold two-tone with fluted bezel, Jubilee bracelet, rose hands and silver stick dial. I like it. More importantly, she likes it.

Very nice!  Congrats!  My wife loves her rose gold and steel DJ.  

 

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Originally Posted by medtech_expat View Post

I'm getting that itch again fellas - would appreciate some thoughts on my three finalists (not necessarily in order of preference):

Royal Oak Skeleton Perpetual Calendar (SS)


PP 5140G (or possibly 3940G)



FP Journe Resonance (38mm WG dial version)



Am quite familiar with AP & Journe, although this would be my first Patek. Thoughts??

Sorry I'd nix the F.P. Journe.  The few people I know that have had them all had lots of problems with them.  Generally, their Journes spent more time going back and forth for service than on their wrists.  It became so tiresome they eventually sold  or traded their Journes.  I also don't like the dial or design on this particular Journe.  

 

The AP and the Patek are both great watches.  It tough to compare a dress watch with a luxury sports watch.  On some level, I might think I'd go with the Patek since I don't own one.  However, I don't wear dress watches that often, so I know the versatility of the AP would mean it would get a lot more wrist time.  Also, as nice as the Patek is, I did have a chance to try on a RO perpetual calendar in steel and platinum...it was absolutely stunning in person!  If I wore dress watches more often it might be a tougher choice for me. 

 

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In the case, I would probably steer clear of the FPJ, although it is my favorite of the three. The reliability of Journe worries me, I have heard far too many horror stories to be comfortable. Aesthetically and functionally it is my favorite of the three. The resonance concept is just very intriguing to me.
I have felt more and more intrigued by "one pieces" lately, a la the Nautilus, AP RO, etc., and I think that the RO Skeleton could accomplish this much better.

Just read your post...these are spot on.  I'd never buy a Journe.  Most I don't love the design, but the few I do...the reliability issue kills it for me.  I don't need an expensive watch that I can't wear because its always being repaired.

 

I think the "one piece" watches really give you tremendous bang for the buck!  They get so much wrist time it helps justify the cost, as opposed to ones that sit in a drawer or safe.  My RO get so much wrist time, just because its so versatile, that I have hardly worn any of my other watches this year.  I definitely need to make more time for them, but the RO is perfect for everything other than the absolutely dressiest of events. 

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Thanks for the feedback so far. Even though they're so dramatically different in form and function, it's actually a tie at the moment between the RO perpetual skeleton and the Resonance.

The RO is perhaps my ATF watch design, and while I'll admit that a skeletonized perpetual calendar is overkill for a sports watch, there's just something about that dial which mesmerizes me. It's only 1mm thicker than my 15202 Jumbo ultra thin, so I'd wear this with suits as well as jeans.

The Resonance has been on my list for ages. I've owned other Journes in the past (CS, Calendrier), but in my mind those were interim steps leading up to the Resonance. Yes, Journe does have some reliability issues, and I've already factored in a full servicing into my acquisition cost. At least the Journe boutique is only a few metro stops away so I'd save on the shipping. biggrin.gif

Realistically, the PP 5140 is on the list simply because PP is a reference for perpetuals. I've tried this on several times, and the 5140 is very handsome on the wrist. I want to like it more than I do, but it just doesn't sing to me as much as the other two. I may be burned at the stake as a heretic, but nothing in the Patek lineup below the grand complication level call outs to me.
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The FP dial almost looks like a painting or printed image... what is making it look like that?
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

I wish I was in the position to make such a decision! That is a tough one in my opinion. From the looks of it, you seem to have liquidated some of your collection (judging from your recent posts in the TZ Showcase forum)?

I have. The Langes just weren't getting any wrist time since I got the RO 15202 last year. Although I just sold my RO chrono today, so may end up keeping the L1 platinum moonphase as I do have some concern that I'd miss it.
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dino - i hope their policy is the same. that sounds very fair.

med - best of luck. cant wait to see whatever you get.
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quote name="medtech_expat" url="/t/36253/the-watch-appreciation-thread/24870#post_6591924"]Thanks for the feedback so far. Even though they're so dramatically different in form and function, it's actually a tie at the moment between the RO perpetual skeleton and the Resonance.

The RO is perhaps my ATF watch design, and while I'll admit that a skeletonized perpetual calendar is overkill for a sports watch, there's just something about that dial which mesmerizes me. It's only 1mm thicker than my 15202 Jumbo ultra thin, so I'd wear this with suits as well as jeans.

The Resonance has been on my list for ages. I've owned other Journes in the past (CS, Calendrier), but in my mind those were interim steps leading up to the Resonance. Yes, Journe does have some reliability issues, and I've already factored in a full servicing into my acquisition cost. At least the Journe boutique is only a few metro stops away so I'd save on the shipping. biggrin.gif

Realistically, the PP 5140 is on the list simply because PP is a reference for perpetuals. I've tried this on several times, and the 5140 is very handsome on the wrist. I want to like it more than I do, but it just doesn't sing to me as much as the other two. I may be burned at the stake as a heretic, but nothing in the Patek lineup below the grand complication level call outs to me.[/quote]

Think you said it all here. Don't go for the PP 5140 for the reasons you stated: it doesn't sing to you as much, and it will involve a not insignificant chunk of change. Am I right in thinking that the AP is leading the pack?

Personally I went for the 3940 in a white metal. There were some aesthetic quibbles I had with the 5140 that I just couldn't "unsee."
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I'd say go with a simpler AP or go PP. Sport complications are just kind of weird imo.
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medtech - the FPJ Resonance without a shadow of doubt.
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Another vote for the Resonance here.

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Resonance winding and time-setting seems... odd.
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AP for me, followed by the Patek.
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That is really awesome, I am glad you are happy with it man. I am digging the pictures so far. It seems like a really nice watch. I hope you wear it in the best of health. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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I really do love the designs of FPJ, I find them very quirky and intellectually interesting, but I agree with the reliability issues. That seriously irks me. I am very envious of your 15202. I really hope I get the chance to see one. I feel like I need to snag one of them before the run is over.
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Originally Posted by medtech_expat View Post

I have. The Langes just weren't getting any wrist time since I got the RO 15202 last year. Although I just sold my RO chrono today, so may end up keeping the L1 platinum moonphase as I do have some concern that I'd miss it.

You darn kids and your 15202s!! I always respect those who purge their watch collections. As I have "matured" in my collecting, I have found that I have been less intent to accumulate.
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