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RSC receives this monstrosity for a service...

 

 

RSC reaction...

 

 

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Originally Posted by bawlin View Post

They keep it and send you a letter informing you that you are a douchebag for buying a PVD'd Rolex.

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I do wonder if they would have any legal standing in retaining your watch as recourse for buying counterfeit or creating counterfeit goods. Would be interesting to know how that would all play out.

In reality as well, I wonder what they do. Do they give you the option to take the watch back as is or do they force you to pay for the repairs and hold your watch hostage until then. Anybody here have experience with that?
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New bezel...

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Soliciting for opinions.

Which size looks better on my slim wrist?

A




B




C

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Moo, forgive my ignorance, what what IS that?!  Awesome industrial-looking bezel anyway. Your desk knows it's been dived now!

 

BBDC, the last one by a mile.  Steel also looks better on you than gold; more manly.  Same for the black face and bracelet.  But I'm a little biased about these things. Size-wise, the middle one is fine.  But a bit of chunk on the RO is no bad thing, and I think the third one suits you beautifully.*

 

 

*Possibly without the diamonds.

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I think that "C" looks best, as "A" looks too large and "B" might be almost a bit too small (although I think that you could get away with it).

Please, please, please tell me that you were just trying on "B" and "C" for size and that you are not considering buying a watch with a diamond-encrusted bezel.
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^ Thanks guys! Of course I won't be wearing watches with gauche and 'please-look'at-how-wealthy-I-am' diamonds. I'm trying them on for size before they bring in the model I'm after! icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Stupid sales assistant tried to sell me the most expensive watch (not pictured), insisting the largest watch face was right for my wrist. Bah!
Edited by bboysdontcryy - 9/12/13 at 4:17am
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If you did, it would still not be the campest thing worn on (or endorsed by) Styleforum.

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So Moo--since this is TWAT, and we love explanations, care to describe how you came to this decision? It is quite an intriguing looking watch, and it is quite different from what is currently in your stable (if my memory serves me correctly).
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Originally Posted by Keith T View Post

Forget to mention on the ceramic GMT .... I STILL have not seen the blue-black in real life yet.

Shame on me, but I guess that could also indicate that they are flying out the doors immediately.

 

Same here ... stopped by my AD two days ago, not in stock, they had gotten 1 in and it was sold immediately. 

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

I'm not a fan of that particular GS, but the one I posted earlier retails new for around US$4k new, and I would (and obviously did) consider that amongst similarly priced offerings from established Swiss brands.

I assume you are asking for my personal view of the justification of the retail price of Omega and Rolex? Market justification is all either brand needs and they both have it in spades.

Let's take Rolex as an example. My answer (and again, simply my personal view) is generally, no. The Rolex that is top of my list as a next potential purchase is the green sub - ceramic bezel and matching green dial. It retails for ~ $9k in Canada before tax, so comfortably over $10k as an out-the-door starting point.

Is that $10k worth of watch? As nice as it is, I'd have to say no. And I think it's really quite nice - and may well cave and get it anyway - but I would do so feeling that I was not getting value for money in terms of the product itself. Now, for someone who values brand highly -particulary the guy who wants to loudly announce to all and sundry that he dropped a shitload of cash on his new watch - it may represent very strong value for money in a way that, say, a Glashutte Original Sport Evo would not.

On a related tangent - my hangup with this watch has always been the wearability of the bold green colour - subjectively appealing but potentially limiting (I felt much the same hesitance before purchasing my first pair of navy blue dress shoes). So I did what I had done years ago when struggling with whether Panerai was really "me" in terms of on the wrist aesthetics. I bought a homage. (Go ahead, limber up your vocal cords for the howls of righteous indignation - I've heard it all before). I've worn in at least for part of every day for the last week and love it. Question answered - I am ready to embrace my inner Kermit - love the colour on my wrist, out in the world.

Now, I am not for a moment suggesting an equivalence with the Rolex, but here are some interesting facts about the homage.

* ceramic bezel with super nice 120-click action.
* saphire crystal
* Swiss ETA 2836-2 movement that has been running at a consistent +2-3 sec/day each day so far.
* nicely finished stainless steel case and bracelet (Chinese manufacture)
* slide-adjustable clasp (why doesn't every sports watch have this. Heck, why doesn't every ROLEX sports watch have this?)

And the price isn't 1/5th that of the Rolex - it's 1/5th the TAX on the Rolex.

If I were to put a number on my perception of the value of the Rolex, I'd say it's a $5k watch with a $4k brand premium. Not an appealing ratio, but still, a very apealing watch.

Stitchy - re your comment above - I can't include myself in the brand-whore "we". If anything, I over-correct on the anti-branding side of the equation. There is no WAY I would have popped for my EG Galways or those lovely G&G boots if the boots themselves were no nicer than my Allen Edmonds Bayfields.

The GS will never be purchased by a brand-whore. For me, that's part of the appeal.

Fack, I'm tired from all that typing!

 

Hey, RogerP - thanks for this note. Didn't get a chance to reply to it but did scroll back several pages to read it again as I thought it was a well explained note about why you're thinking about the green Sub and why it may not necessarily represent good value for your money, based on the criteria you use to purchase watches. 

 

I especially like how you put context into play here in terms of what you typically wear and how the green Sub might work its way into your overall sense of style.  This is SF after all.  Funny that you mentioned navy blue shoes.  I fell in love with the EG Galway in navy blue and midnight suede, and it was my first pair of navy blue dress-y shoes (I do have a pair of navy blue suede shoes but I consider them more informal).  Love 'em and I wear the hell out of 'em.


I know you’ve issued caveats about who you’re referring to when you write out “brand whores” and attach it to “bigger brands” or when you write about “elves” and “Kool Aid,” and I fully understand that there are nuances that are lost to anonymously posted notes over the internet.  However, in your impassioned defense of GS’s merits, I fear that you lost many of us.  At least to me, you came across as overly defensive, unnecessarily condescending, and guilty of coming across with the same hasty generalizations you’ve accused others of doing.  We get what you’re saying – and I hope you get what we’re saying too - but as one Englishman wrote before, to me you came across as “protesting too much" - at least until you issued caveats and clarifications a few posts later (where you in effect said "oh, I was referring to the masses who just blindly buy on the basis of brand" - presumably in response to others who came forward to say "I'm a brand whore in some way or another").

 

Frankly, to me you came across as trying to push the GS Kool-Aid on many of us; and if we didn't buy into it, well, I guess we're brand-whores - though that was clearly not your intent.

 

Please take this in good spirits: we appreciate your contributions here (again, at least I do, very much so).  I don't want to predict how you're going to reply to this note of mine, but I also don't want others discounting what you're saying about other subjects because of our recent lengthy discussion about GS and what it faces in the market.  I hope you're not going to write "meh, I don't care about what anyone else thinks."  Because being part of TWAT and our community here kind of implies that you do.  Nothing wrong with that.

 

--- And on that note regarding GS in North America ---

 

I'm not sure I buy into the notion that GS can sell as much as it wants to but prefers to keep production low and sell to its loyal customer base.  This to me rests on several assumptions:

 

1.  GS prefers to sell to its loyal customer base - but why did it seek to expand to 20 other markets outside Japan in 2010?  Doesn't that imply an effort to expand their customer base?

 

2.  GS prefers to keep production low - but if they're expanding to 20 other markets, doesn't this imply some ramp-up in production figures?  Or are they going to shaft their core Japanese markets to sell to the rest of the world, assuming a fixed pie?

 

3.  GS can sell as much as it wants to - assuming their old price points?  But why did it lower prices, at least in the US as far as I can tell, last July?  Does that not imply that they would (a) like to sell more and/or (b) they aren't selling as much as they want given their old price points?

 

Again, I do not have actual numbers on production volume; nor do I have insider knowledge on their marketing strategies and business plans.  To answer the questions I posed above definitively I think we'd need info on this.

 

Thoughts?


Edited by no frills - 9/12/13 at 8:10am
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bb - id say A or C, but you cant really say without buckling the strap on you wrist the way you would wear it. when its closed around your wrist it looks different than just hanging there.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


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I do wonder if they would have any legal standing in retaining your watch as recourse for buying counterfeit or creating counterfeit goods. Would be interesting to know how that would all play out.

In reality as well, I wonder what they do. Do they give you the option to take the watch back as is or do they force you to pay for the repairs and hold your watch hostage until then. Anybody here have experience with that?

Its not a counterfeit, if it were they confiscate it.  I believe with modified watches, they give the owner the option of restoring it to its original condition and then they will service it, or they will return the watch to the owner and not service it.  That is what I have heard, but I don't buy modified pieces so I have no first hand experience.

 

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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post

Soliciting for opinions.

Which size looks better on my slim wrist?

I think you could go with size A or C.  A is only 39mm...which really isn't that large.  If C is a few mm smaller, it may have a slightly dressier look.  How many mm in diameter is C?  Also remember that the thickness of the watch matters in terms of how it wears.  I have a RO ultra-thin Jumbo and its the same diameter as the RO Dual Time (your option A), but its considerably thinner and so it wears very differently.  Also the combination of the Jumbo being thinner and a time only piece makes it look a bit dressier than the Dual Time, while the dual time looks a bit sportier.  I am presuming they did not have the watch you were interested in seeing, hence you tried these other pieces on to get an idea of size.  You definitely should try on the watch you are really considering.  That is the only way you will know if its the right watch for you.   

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Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post

I think that "C" looks best, as "A" looks too large and "B" might be almost a bit too small (although I think that you could get away with it).

Please, please, please tell me that you were just trying on "B" and "C" for size and that you are not considering buying a watch with a diamond-encrusted bezel.

 

I think A and C look fine.  A is not too big imo .... love the RO. 

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Its not a counterfeit, if it were they confiscate it.  I believe with modified watches, they give the owner the option of restoring it to its original condition and then they will service it, or they will return the watch to the owner and not service it.  That is what I have heard, but I don't buy modified pieces so I have no first hand experience.

here is the exact verbiage from their service paperwork:
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The addition of non-genuine parts to any Rolex watch renders it a counterfeit as defined by Federal Law. It is therefor unlawful to sell or offer such modified watch for sale. Rolex will not service watches altered with non-genuine parts or accessories. All parts are replaced on a trade in basis.

I wonder if they force the service on you. I kinda sounds like they might.
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