Originally Posted by DLJr
The black/black, while I have been drawn to it, often can be mistaken for a sub at first glance and that bothers me.
Edit: Realize I didn't actually answer your question; Blue/Black because it separates itself from the sub at a glance.
For exactly that reason. My first Rolex was a GMT with black bezel. Great watch, but it became annoying when people would say (even in jewelry stores), nice Sub. For me, with a black bezel, the GMT lacks its own identity and lives in the shadow of its sibling, the Sub.
So my vote would be for a blue/black GMT.
Originally Posted by TheWraith
I couldn't wait any longer (forgive the crummy cellphone photo):
Congrats! Looks great, enjoy it!
Originally Posted by Newcomer
Reading the Grand Seiko discussion lately has been very interesting. And I guess I will come out of the wood works... I am exactly
the person Dino
described, to a T. I love Grand Seiko, I think they are a great "value," I like their designs (well, some of them), I like what they stand for, and I think they are really very beautiful watches. But something has always held me back. First I got an Omega. Second, when I had a larger budget, I decided to go for a JLC. Third, when I had a larger budget, I once against opted for a JLC. At each of these steps, I really did consider the Snowflake. I asked about pricing, I looked into reviews, I oogled it. But at the end of the day, I chose Omega, and I chose JLC.
I may get a Grand Seiko one day, but I guess brand means more to me than I think it does! I have drooled over several models, but at the end of the day, I think I will be hard pressed to actually take the plunge. There will always be that voice in the back of my head that says "save for the Patek," or "you always wanted a Submariner, spring for that!" I think it will likely be a while until I am "at the place" where I am ready for a GS. In isolation, they are gorgeous watches, probably the best in their class. But in the grand scheme of things, it is much more difficult.
Great post Nuke. I give you a lot of credit for coming clean and admitting that although you like the GS, something holds you back from buying it and you instead have chosen and Omega or JLCs. While some may fret about people being too brand conscious, or concerned about what others think, so what. In the end you are the one that has to wear the watch. I personally buy what I like. I don't care if its a brand that is recognized easily like Rolex, or something that is more obscure to the general public like a VC. While I think GS makes a high quality product, I've never had any interest in owning one. Not because of their quality, its simply in that price range, there are watches from other brands that I would rather own...like a JLC.
This next part is in general an not specifically toward Nuke.
I think something that should be recognized, is that wanting a well known brand name is not a bad thing, as long as the watch (or item) is good quality, you are happy with it, and you bought it for you (rather than to impress others). I like the terms brand whore, we all know people that are slaves to brands...but I think there are different types of brand whores. A brand whore can be someone that likes and buys big name brands, or someone that buys big names for recognition from others. If you bought it because you have always wanted a watch from brand A, or because you like the design, and you did it for your own enjoyment then who cares. If a person does it because they want others to be impressed then maybe they have issues as they seem to require the the approval of others. In the grand scheme of things only watch savvy people would notice watches like JLC, AP, VC, Patek etc. The "Average Joe" might know a Tag, an Omega, or Rolex, but that's about it. So when people choose a JLC over a GS, or a Patek over a gold Rolex can we really say they are a brand whore, just because they bought a big name brand in the watch world. To us they might be buying something well known, but that's not so with non-watch people. I've owned my VCs for years and never had a single comment about them, and my AP for over a year and it has only gotten a comment or two and that happened in a watch store. So you can still buy names that are big in the watch world, but which in general fly under the radar.
I think avoiding certain brands and denying oneself ownership of a great watch because its a bigger brand name and not wanting to be labeled a brand whore, isn't very different than buying a watch specifically for brand recognition ...each is motivated by concern about others and what they will think.
Originally Posted by rnguy001
I hear what you're saying Stitches and admittedly don't know enough about GS to comment on just how well they sell or what their market strategy is.
As an analogy though Lexus was able to grab a good market share out of the shadow of Toyota and then compete with Mercedes BMW Audi etc.
Yes and no. When Lexus first came to market, they offered a good quality product, but at a lesser price than MB and BMW. Their ES250 was nothing more than a dressed up Camry, but they offered a solid product and great customer service. In addition, their original LS400 was about the price of the entry level MB 300SE. It was far less expensive than MB's 420SEL, or the 560SEL flagship sedan of 1989/90. They also came in at a time when American cars were at an all time low for quality, and many people had turned to Japanese cars for reliable well made average transportation. There were very few options for people buying at a mid range price level to somewhat luxury oriented cars without spending serious money for an MB or BMW. Also, remember Caddy wasn't the hot seller they are today. So Honda came in with their Acura and did quite well, and opened a new market for Japanese cars. Also, note, they completely changed the names of the brand to sell in the USA. In Japan, Acuras even the sporty NSX, was branded Honda in the home market. Here brand perception was an issue and they created a new image. They got a foothold in a mid market range rather than uber luxury...only later did they move further upmarket with more expensive models. Also cars are a necessity for most people, and people that spend a lot of time in cars may splurge on a slightly more up market vehicle. Most people need watches, but I think fewer see a need to splurge on them...its a different arena compared to cars.
But keep in mind breaking into luxury car markets, as someone already pointed out did not work for VW with the Phaeton. In addition, MB decided they wanted to move upscale and get a piece of Bentley and Roll Royce's action...that didn't work out well for MB. Their Maybach was a failure. MB is an established car maker, known for luxury products, but it just doesn't have cache necessary to compete at the next level. For that kind of money people wanted a Bentley or Rolls. They didn't want a more upscale MB.