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Oh man, that would be awesome.


it would amazing. then we could invite her to a TWAT meet up! mwink[1].gif
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Agreed

I regret not getting a GO senator sixties when I had the chance. It was more expensive than the JLC MC, but in hindsight probably worth the extra coin.


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Like the song says, nobody does it better.
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Tyre-Kicker's Diary: Breguet (Click to show)

 

 

There are two reasons I went into the Breguet boutique.  The first is that I wanted to see the Transatlantique.  As sports watches go, I suppose it's not really unique, but ever since I saw a version in platinum with a salmon dial, I've had a mental image of myself cruising on some luxurious liner, sitting in a deck chair with my feet up, and checking how long until lunch on one of these.  Well, everything has its place.

 

What I knew immediately was that the most recent models are too big.  I know I keep saying this, but a pure sports watch in 40-42mm case is fine by me, and beyond that it goes into caricature.  For a watch that's supposed to be more versatile and wearable in smarter circumstances, 40mm seems to be a sensible limit, and 38-39 my personal sweet spot.  Sure, I get a 47mm Panerai and I'd even have one.  But that's supposed to be caricature of itself, it's part of the image.  It seems wrong on a Breguet.

 

But the one I'd originally liked the look of was a Type XX, and those are also still available.  They had a few in the case, and this was my first pick:

 

 

Given the choice, I might lose the date and go with the "Aeronavale" version (below), but I'm nit-picking.  This is well under $10k for a premium brand chrono, and I like it on a strap.  It certainly fits my privileged deckchair daydream perfectly reasonably.  The strap is nice, I like the very sporty hands and the odd sized subdials.  This watch has personality.  Loafers, linen shirt, dusk and dinner al fresco...yep, it would work for me.

 

As a sporty watch, I wanted to try it on a bracelet too, and here it is:

 

 

The one on a bracelet was the Aeronavale, and as far as the dial goes, it's great.  BUT that bracelet just doesn't work for me.  The convex links are cool, the quality felt great and the overall feel was very pleasing.  But damn, it's shiny.  Now I'm not pretending that this is some tool watch that needs to look utilitarian, it's a Breguet.  But it's also a stainless steel chronograph, and this is just a little too much gleaming show.  So, this version, with the strap above.  I know what I like.

 

In the mean time, I said there was a second reason for going into Breguet, and it was something I saw in the window.  I was admiring it online recently and recognised it immediately as I walked past.  At first glance it's not as showy as an exposed tourbillon or a lump of rose gold.  But when you already know what it is, it stops you in your tracks:

 

 

Being platinum and a serious complication, it's thick and heavy, but also quite a restrained diameter overall.  And I hope you'll admit, it looks absolutely great on me!  Then again, it would probably look great on most people, because it is great.  The guilloche on the dial, the gold relief symbols on the moonphase, the varied shapes of the blued hands to make them more distinct...every tiny detail..it's just stunning to me.  Fundamentally, like any watch in this price range, I suppose it's inherently foolish.  But it's the kind of foolish that, having handled it and looked at it closely with the naked eye, I can fully understand.  This is the kind of watch that makes successful men Frillyvolous.

 

Now, I apologise in advance that this is almost inaudible, missed the first part, and is blurry and wobbly.  But, unlike the Blancpain, I did at least try to take a vid.  I hope that even this imperfect look will give you a feel for how special it was to play with a toy like this.

 

 

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oh man that minute repeater drool.gif
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Wow
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Oh mama.

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oh man that minute repeater drool.gif

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first day in a month not wearing the rolex.

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post Tyre-Kicker's Diary: Breguet (Click to show)

There are two reasons I went into the Breguet boutique.  The first is that I wanted to see the Transatlantique.  As sports watches go, I suppose it's not really unique, but ever since I saw a version in platinum with a salmon dial, I've had a mental image of myself cruising on some luxurious liner, sitting in a deck chair with my feet up, and checking how long until lunch on one of these.  Well, everything has its place.

 

This is the kind of watch that makes successful men Frillyvolous.

 

A few months ago I was choosing between the JLC Reverso Squadra and a Transatlantique for the missus... for some special occasion.  She chose the Reverso Squadra.  I blame that on stitchy.  She loves the Reverso, but then again I think she does not miss the Transatlantique because she has appropriated my Daytona.

 

And yes, mimo, I do read and am entertained endlessly by these recent posts and adventures of yours.  Love 'em all - thnaks for the semi-shout-out teehee.

 

Darn office firewall prevents me from viewing your video on youtube, which is probably good for my own productivity.  Will view ASAP - it's gotten a  lot of folks excited! 

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first day in a month not wearing the rolex.

 

You gotta pay some attention to that JLC, brother!

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I have several Breguets on my wish list. Perhaps this spring...
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A few months ago I was choosing between the JLC Reverso Squadra and a Transatlantique for the missus... for some special occasion.  She chose the Reverso Squadra.  I blame that on stitchy.  She loves the Reverso,

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You gotta pay some attention to that JLC, brother!

i feel like she is neglected. i hope she is not mad with me.
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Excellent TWAT days guys! biggrin.gif So much to read. AND Ms Upton.

I have nothing to contribute, except that I expanded my book collection yesterday. I stopped by my regular pusher, expressed an interest in Vacheron, and left with a (free) huge ass book. I guess he knows how to reel me in. Damn.

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That's a nice coffee table book, with some good reference material.  I think I got the same book from my AD several years ago.  I also have the Lange version, which I won as part of a raffle at a Lange event I was invited to quite a while ago.  You can never have too many good watch books (or watches). 

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Or, as my wife likes saying - I have no shortage of WILL power.  It's WON'T power that I need.

 

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Great saying...although, I can't let Mrs. Dino here that one...or I'll never hear the end of it!

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Tyre-Kicker's Diary: Breguet (Click to show)

 

 

There are two reasons I went into the Breguet boutique.  The first is that I wanted to see the Transatlantique.  As sports watches go, I suppose it's not really unique, but ever since I saw a version in platinum with a salmon dial, I've had a mental image of myself cruising on some luxurious liner, sitting in a deck chair with my feet up, and checking how long until lunch on one of these.  Well, everything has its place.

 

What I knew immediately was that the most recent models are too big.  I know I keep saying this, but a pure sports watch in 40-42mm case is fine by me, and beyond that it goes into caricature.  For a watch that's supposed to be more versatile and wearable in smarter circumstances, 40mm seems to be a sensible limit, and 38-39 my personal sweet spot.  Sure, I get a 47mm Panerai and I'd even have one.  But that's supposed to be caricature of itself, it's part of the image.  It seems wrong on a Breguet.

 

But the one I'd originally liked the look of was a Type XX, and those are also still available.  They had a few in the case, and this was my first pick:

 

 

Given the choice, I might lose the date and go with the "Aeronavale" version (below), but I'm nit-picking.  This is well under $10k for a premium brand chrono, and I like it on a strap.  It certainly fits my privileged deckchair daydream perfectly reasonably.  The strap is nice, I like the very sporty hands and the odd sized subdials.  This watch has personality.  Loafers, linen shirt, dusk and dinner al fresco...yep, it would work for me.

 

As a sporty watch, I wanted to try it on a bracelet too, and here it is:

 

 

The one on a bracelet was the Aeronavale, and as far as the dial goes, it's great.  BUT that bracelet just doesn't work for me.  The convex links are cool, the quality felt great and the overall feel was very pleasing.  But damn, it's shiny.  Now I'm not pretending that this is some tool watch that needs to look utilitarian, it's a Breguet.  But it's also a stainless steel chronograph, and this is just a little too much gleaming show.  So, this version, with the strap above.  I know what I like.

 

In the mean time, I said there was a second reason for going into Breguet, and it was something I saw in the window.  I was admiring it online recently and recognised it immediately as I walked past.  At first glance it's not as showy as an exposed tourbillon or a lump of rose gold.  But when you already know what it is, it stops you in your tracks:

 

 

Being platinum and a serious complication, it's thick and heavy, but also quite a restrained diameter overall.  And I hope you'll admit, it looks absolutely great on me!  Then again, it would probably look great on most people, because it is great.  The guilloche on the dial, the gold relief symbols on the moonphase, the varied shapes of the blued hands to make them more distinct...every tiny detail..it's just stunning to me.  Fundamentally, like any watch in this price range, I suppose it's inherently foolish.  But it's the kind of foolish that, having handled it and looked at it closely with the naked eye, I can fully understand.  This is the kind of watch that makes successful men Frillyvolous.

 

Now, I apologise in advance that this is almost inaudible, missed the first part, and is blurry and wobbly.  But, unlike the Blancpain, I did at least try to take a vid.  I hope that even this imperfect look will give you a feel for how special it was to play with a toy like this.

 

 

Their guilloche dials are stunning!  Not sure If I'd ever buy a Breguet, but I do love their dials, especially some of the ones with asymmetric dial layouts.  That minute repeater very very nice!

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One from each end of the spectrum. Love em both, honestly the MC is the watch I wear the least (I guess due my lifestyle/occupation).

RP - you know I love you brother and I respect your opinion as always. As for me - it's okay to have the NSA since I'm a quarter Ninja on my dad's side biggrin.gif But I have also mall ninja'd the hell out of other things (golf clubs, cameras, MMA gear etc..)

Personally as long as the branding is not too obvious (on the front or side of the case or dial), it wouldn't deter me too much if I really liked the watch. Never liked the 'fighter pilot' hand on the Top Gun and I"m glad they removed it from the side of the case in their most recent iteration.

 


But it got me to thinking about a lot of the major brands out there that have offerings that are both classy and elegant all the way to sporty and monstrous. I think many brands do it well: AP, IWC, JLC and Omega for example.

I wonder if they lose some of the diehard supporters by offering the sportier models. I know a lot of AP guys here hate the Offshore models, as well as the Navy Seals' line from JLC for example and the Top Gun line from IWC etc etc. Many feel these brands are diluting their history or taking the 'easier' way out by trying to sell more to the masses. When I watch golf and I see the AP branding on players I actually like it. I'm a huge watch advocate and I think good publicity like that helps to create interest in not only AP, but higher end watches and horology in general. I mean I started my fascination with watches after seeing an ad for ORIS in Men's Health..


To me, I've always liked the brands that have been able to 'flex' and offer different types of watches for the different owners out there. At some point however I'm sure a brand can over-reach itself and end in disaster (Panerai with their Ferrari watches facepalm.gif )

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I don't think you can lump the collectors together that are not  fans of the Offshore and Navy Seals watches. In terms of not favoring them, its not that I feel they dilute the brand or its history, nor because of some feeling that they are taking the easy way out.  As for the Offshore, the Scuba is a watch that's cool, its purposeful, and an interesting twist on the RO theme.  The RO Offshore Chronographs, well those I think have become tiresome, and there are too many foolish limited editions (and IMHO its the cheesy, limited editions, that get released far too frequently to be considered limited that detract from the brand).  They have at least 1 or 2 Offshore chronos every year...that becomes tiresome.    As for the Navy Seal JLC, it just looks a bit too plasticy for my taste, and sadly it reminds me of some of those grotesque Zeniths from the Natif days.  IMHO, some watches do a better job with sport than dress and vice versa.  Reverso's are a quasi sports watch as we all know they were designed for polo players.  However,they also have a dressy connotation in modern times and some are intended for rugged activities others are more delicate.  The Seals watch, Aston Martin watches, and others have quality, but they just don't represent what I would want from JLC.  I can understand brands branching out to make additional profits it just has to be something I would want to own, which for me might be a signature piece like a Reverso, rather than their sports lines.  The Reverso made a great transition into something that went from a sports oriented purpose to a dress watch.  However, I struggle to find pure sports watches from JLC that speak to me.  But as other say, if we all liked the same watch it would be a boring place.

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Glad you liked that one, chaps.  I felt it my TWAT duty to bring it to your attention.  Incidentally, although I think it was the nicest of the really high-end pieces I saw, it wasn't the most expensive.  That is yet to come (he says, tantalisingly...)

 

But after that venture into wonderland, it's back to something comparatively pedestrian for a while.  And if there's one that seems to please all, it's this...

 

 

Tyre-Kicker's Diary: Rolex (and Tudor!) (Click to show)

 

The Rolex (and Tudor) boutique is in some ways the least exciting.  I knew what to expect, in large part - my local AD has a reasonable selection, and most of the Rolexes I like, I've tried at some point either locally or in an airport, or are already owned by my friends.  Also, there aren't really any exotic pieces to share - just an array of garish sparkly golden things that I don't personally think have much creative merit, or real interest to men of taste and stature like yourselves.

 

There were, however, a couple of little itches to be scratched.  First was a Daytona, where I was disappointed.  Like the Nautilus at Patek, the steel Daytona arrives and leaves just as quickly, and never have I found one just sitting in stock.  This was no exception.  Not such a big deal as a good friend has one, and I know how it looks and feels.  I'd just have liked to see the new one, and preferably with the white dial that (I think) I like best: good to check in person, as I am learning more and more.

 

I would have been intrigued to see the oddly-coloured new platinum Daytona too, just to see how it looks in person.  But none of those either.  Nor did they have in stock the much-discussed blue and black GMT.  But on the latter, I was fortunate.  The sales assistant, a very sincere and chatty Chinese lady, told me that she had pages of orders for various watches and this one in particular.  Luckily, one of them had just arrived for a customer and was sitting in the drawer.  She probably shouldn't, as it now belonged to someone, but nevertheless she agreed to get it out and let me see.  So thank you to whoever took delivery of a blue and black GMT the other day in Dubai - I didn't hurt it!  Now you know why the plastic is still over the bezel and crystal below:

 

 

As you can see, it's a very charismatic piece in person.  The question I (and I think many of us) had is how the blue would look in reality compared to the pictures.  I couldn't take it out into daylight (in that place, "outside" was about half a mile away!), but in the light of the shop it looked great.  This is difficult to explain, but I'll try: it's not that the blue is darker than it looks in the picture.  It's just that it's quite soft somehow.  Not shiny or plasticky, but a smooth, even tone that looks very touchable and pleasant.  I don't think I can put it better than that.

 

There are several Rolexes I like - the Daytona, although more expensive of course, the no-date Sub (a lot for its no-datedness), the Explorer I, and this are probably my top picks.  If I were to have the money in hand and choose one, I'm not sure it would be that easy: the Daytona now competes in my mind with a used 39mm Royal Oak chrono at the price point, or even the Breguet XX I mentioned earlier, for quite a lot less.  And when holding various things in my hand, the one that actually called to me loudest was the Sub.  But this is totally a contender.  It's a little more money than the Sub, but it is rather special.  And when I say a little more, a touch less than I expected: my new friend offered me a discount if I'd like to order, with my barely having to ask.  The net price was $8300.  Not small change to most of us, but at least a few hundred short of what I'd expected, and well in range of many other steel Rolexes to compete for your love.

 

There wasn't a no-date plain black Sub in the shop, and that I've flirted with before anyway, but something else caught my eye:

 

 

Now here's where I really start showing some (more!) ignorance.  But I've never known anything much about Tudor, except that it's a poor man's Rolex.  Something incomplete, not quite real.  Ersatz.  A hollow substitute.

 

This made me think again.  The post about the Pelagos a few pages back both confirmed and confounded my prejudices.  It is, quite clearly, an ETA-powered Submariner clone.  With different hands.  And yet, although I don't actually like the hands, it looks good.  Different enough to have its own identity, be a watch in its own right.  Now I hear that this one has been raved about on forums just a little too much.  But having bumped into it, I can see why.  The Tudor Heritage Black Bay is a very, very nice looking watch.

 

I can't think I'd ever have chosen a red bezel, and I'm not entirely sure how I'd want to wear this.  But I'm pretty sure that I'd want to find a reason to wear it nonetheless.  Especially in this guise:

 

 

In general I dislike contrived ageing or wear on a product e.g. those awful half-fucked shoes you see from fashion brands these days.  (Then again, when I was seventeen I used to wear out the knees on my jeans with a razor blade, whatever).  But the roughness and the colour tone of this strap really bring out the off-white lume, and succeed completely with the design brief of making the watch look like an old friend.  It's trendy and fake...but...I have to admit I was won over.  I really, really liked this watch, and it's half the price of a Sub.

 

Another thing I liked about this is that it's a little bigger, just a touch.  That might seem perverse as I was complaining about other watches getting too big, but as I said, 42mm is perfectly reasonably for a watch that is definitely casual and sporty.  On the strap, it's a real jeans watch.  On the bracelet, I can see it equally happy on a boat or a bar.  And the bracelet is where I really notice some extra manliness: the lugs are 2mm wider than those on the Sub or GMT, and the Tudor version of the Oyster bracelet commensurately larger to match.  It makes a big difference to the feel of the watch.  A while back, we were talking about the bracelet on the Sea Dweller looking disproportionately small.  And now I've seen this, I can't help but wish the GMT and Sub had just a little more chunk on the bracelet too.  Take a look:

 

 

Perhaps the picture doesn't really communicate it, but that little difference makes a geometric rise in the weight of every link in the bracelet.  It feels good.  I've complained that the new DateJust is just fat and silly (takes one to know one..), but this body-building Tudor now has me thinking that perhaps the Rolex sports lines could have gone to the gym.  Two millimetres on the case, and two on the lugs, mean that the gap between the lugs grows proportionally more than the case, and the weight of the bracelet significantly.  I think I might like it.  It would, for me, take away a bit of the Submariner's desk-diving versatility to put on that extra weight.  But it wouldn't half feel nice.  Anyway, maybe leave each to their place.  But a Black Bay would be welcome in my house for sure.  As would a Pelagos - though perhaps with a different bezel: one thing I like a lot about the Black Bay is that although it borrows so heavily from the Sub, the bezel and strap give it a very distinct personality, and take it well beyond Submariner substitute.

 

I came in looking for a Daytona and the new GMT while holding love for a Submariner firmly in my heart.  And left thinking about a Tudor.  Sometimes, thinking about watches is weird.

 

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Glad you liked that one, chaps.  I felt it my TWAT duty to bring it to your attention.  Incidentally, although I think it was the nicest of the really high-end pieces I saw, it wasn't the most expensive.  That is yet to come (he says, tantalisingly...)

 

But after that venture into wonderland, it's back to something comparatively pedestrian for a while.  And if there's one that seems to please all, it's this...

 

Tyre-Kicker's Diary: Rolex (and Tudor!) (Click to show)

 

I came in looking for a Daytona and the new GMT while holding love for a Submariner firmly in my heart.  And left thinking about a Tudor.  Sometimes, thinking about watches is weird.

 

Loved this write-up (as predicted).  Wished you saw the 75th anniversary Daytona - I have yet to see one in the flesh myself.  Interesting color indeed on that blue part of the BLNR's bezel.

 

As for how your feelings evolved... all bets are off once you see the watches in person, 'no?

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Exactly so, my dear Frilly, which is rather the point of this one too.

 

I was going to save this for the end as a little post-script to define the point about trying things on to know what you really like.  But it's pretty brief, so I think I'll pop it out now.  I might not get the last three done tonight, so I'll save them for a grand finale (!) and get this little detail done:

 

 

Tyre-Kicker's Diary: Omega (Click to show)

 

I have an Omega.  It's two years older than I am, watch people seem to like that it's been around so long and had its stories, and I was wearing it throughout my tyre-kicking process.  Three dollar watch kiosk strap and all (well, I saw it and it was right...).  You've all seen it before, but here it is one more time:

 

 

 

1000

 

 

In some ways, I only went into Omega out of duty.  It was the end of the day, I had half an hour before meeting a dinner date, and the Omega boutique is large and prominent.  I might as well, but I wasn't really looking for anything.  I asked about one model I pretty much knew they wouldn't have.  I also tried on my nemesis, the stupidest watch I can't help but like:

 

 

45.5mm of titanium excess, housing a movement identical to the one that sits in the perfectly excellent 42mm version.  But this is...bigger.  I don't know, I can't fathom it.  It's against everything I stand for.  But maybe it's that blue liquid metal thing..although that's also available smaller..I just can't work it out, but I desire it foolishly.  Only one thing made it look sensible: I did try on the preposterous Seamaster XXL.  Which I forgot to photograph.  But it's like a dinner plate.  Perfectly nice, and perfectly unwearable.  It did make this seem like a reasonable and modest sports accessory in the mean time.

 

Anyway, the reason I knew the visit to Omega was useless to me, was that I had already found what I wanted.  Unexpectedly, in a place I wouldn't normally visit, a couple of weeks ago in England.  In Portsmouth, of all places (you have to go there to know).  I was there a short while and wandering about waiting for younger daughter to buy some crap.  My son and I wandered into a jeweller's shop to look at their modest watches (he had just got his new Tissot - first mechanical watch - and so was interested too).  And there I saw it.  An Omega.  Of all the watches I dream of, and with the occasional guilty exception of that above, I don't really want another Omega.  I have an Omega dress watch that's special to me, and even the titanium juggernaut above has competitors that deep down I know would make me happier - Rolex Sub, all kinds of chronos, and many more in the same price range.  I kind of like the Speedmaster, the DeVilles are nice enough, but nothing every grabbed me.  Except this:

 

 

A boring old Seamaster.  That touched me in way that, for example the JLC Grand Ultra Thin, couldn't.  It has small seconds, blued hands, lovely proportions, a satisfying weight on the wrist, and I love it.  It's not as dressy as the JLC, but it would be the perfect everyday, every use rotation with my existing Omega.  It is, inherently, what I like.

 

It doesn't have a display caseback, which I would usually like.  But that's because it has a gold London 2012 Olympics logo on it instead.  It's the special edition 1948 Seamaster for last year's Olympics.  A fact to which I am entirely indifferent.  Alas, I didn't have the money and still don't, but it just goes to show: forget the labels, the special editions, even the specifications on paper.  It either works for you or it doesn't, and when they're on the wrist, the most surprising things can press your buttons.  This certainly pressed mine, and weeks later, even with the dozens of things I've tried over the last few days, it remains up there at the top of the list of things I'd like to have.

 


Edited by mimo - 8/29/13 at 12:54pm
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