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^^ I remember years ago reading about a guy on the rolex forum that sent his vintage 5513 in for a service...had a gorgeous patina'd dial...when he got it back, it had a brand new dial. Man, i honestly think id kill someone for fucking up my watch like that.
Panerai is well known for doing that as well. I'm afraid to send in my 170 for fear I will lose my nicely aged hands and dial even though it is overdue for lube and the bezel could use a little snugging
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

^^ I remember years ago reading about a guy on the rolex forum that sent his vintage 5513 in for a service...had a gorgeous patina'd dial...when he got it back, it had a brand new dial. Man, i honestly think id kill someone for fucking up my watch like that.

I'm all for patina so long as it doesn't get in the way of functionality. Remember "Pizza Face."




But yes, if I had a 5513 I'd want to keep the matte dial. If I buy another Rolex it'll likely be a 1675 or 5512 - again, service dial, head only. More functional, more versatile, and you save buck to boot.

I got the perlon NATO from Holben's.
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one of the nicest NATOs ive seen. gotta check those out.
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Timefactors (where I got my few NATO & RAF straps) used to have a similar one (scroll down, it's #5 on the page), but sadly it's been unavailable for some time. I've been meaning to pick up a few different straps from TF, but since I'm in no real hurry I've been waiting, hoping for the tropical to be relisted.

(If anyone happens to see it back up or know of another reputable euro source for perlon/tropical straps, please feel free to share...)
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mimo: bring on the pics!

stitchy: interested to see where you're going with this....but yes, I do agree that ignorance can be blissful at times.

Perhaps the trick is in how one handles the "blessing" of accumulated horological knowledge.....and not allowing it to become a curse.
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stitchy - for me, it wold take just one experience like that of the GP owner to get me to pay attention to resale value.  I consider myself a watch enthusiast more than a watch collector.  That is, I don't endlessly accumulate watches building a 'collection'.  I generally have 6 or 8 quality pieces - certainly never more than a dozen.  For me, if a watch isn't getting worn, I don't keep it - and only so many can be worn in a given week or two.  Since my 'collection' is always evolving (sometimes very slowly, sometimes quickly) with the arrival of a new piece and the departure of an old one, resale definitely matters.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a GP.  It means I would buy it for pennies on the dollar in the secondary market versus new from an AD.

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All this (extremely thought-provoking) discussion around resale value prompted me to seek some advice from my fellow TWAT experts - I have been considering the following limited edition VC Overseas Chronograph (being first generation Greek in the U.S. it really speaks to me):

http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/vacheron-constantin-overseas-chronograph-for-greece/

Retail on the watch was close to 15K euros - what do you folks think might be reasonable on the secondary market for a NIB with all papers, plastics on, and open warranty card?

Not really sure how the VC Overseas Chronograph does on the secondary market, so would love any insight.

As always, thanks in advance.
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Is it just me, or is this guy leaning in?

 

 

Can't tell what (else) he's wearing. Gold Day-Date?

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Agreed. There's something nice about knowing that a watch you do own actually holds its value quite well.. Again I don't buy watches as investments, but I too was a little shocked to hear that many of the "higher" brand watches I own don't hold their value as well as I thought.

It actually made me really appreciate Rolex for what they have and still accomplish.

I did make a little something something on a sold PAM 240 though. Thank goodness for Panerai at least..




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stitchy - for me, it wold take just one experience like that of the GP owner to get me to pay attention to resale value.  I consider myself a watch enthusiast more than a watch collector.  That is, I don't endlessly accumulate watches building a 'collection'.  I generally have 6 or 8 quality pieces - certainly never more than a dozen.  For me, if a watch isn't getting worn, I don't keep it - and only so many can be worn in a given week or two.  Since my 'collection' is always evolving (sometimes very slowly, sometimes quickly) with the arrival of a new piece and the departure of an old one, resale definitely matters.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a GP.  It means I would buy it for pennies on the dollar in the secondary market versus new from an AD.
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That is a lovely looking watch.  I noticed it was limited to 100 pieces which could make finding one tough.  Two random finds on some internet searches dating back to 2012 showed prices of 13K Euros and 17K Euros for the pieces I saw for sale.  It may come down to finding one that pops up for sale that meets your requirements and within a price range you are willing to pay.  It's not like some other watches we mention in the TWAT that have thousands upon thousands out there.

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stitchy - for me, it wold take just one experience like that of the GP owner to get me to pay attention to resale value.  I consider myself a watch enthusiast more than a watch collector.  That is, I don't endlessly accumulate watches building a 'collection'.  I generally have 6 or 8 quality pieces - certainly never more than a dozen.  For me, if a watch isn't getting worn, I don't keep it - and only so many can be worn in a given week or two.  Since my 'collection' is always evolving (sometimes very slowly, sometimes quickly) with the arrival of a new piece and the departure of an old one, resale definitely matters.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a GP.  It means I would buy it for pennies on the dollar in the secondary market versus new from an AD.

These are words to live by for sure.

 

 

However Roger, do you also check into the difficulty of getting a piece like this serviced before you buy one? I mean if you buy a Rolex you have so many options available, but other brands may not be so easy especially if they don't use an ETA movement.

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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

These are words to live by for sure.

 

 

However Roger, do you also check into the difficulty of getting a piece like this serviced before you buy one? I mean if you buy a Rolex you have so many options available, but other brands may not be so easy especially if they don't use an ETA movement.

 

Yes - service is a consideration - in terms of availability, cost and turnaround time. I happen to have a friend who is an Omega-trained watchmaker, capable of servicing any Swatch Group product. That is a huge plus for me. I have a similar connection for Rolex, through a fellow long time collector. Prospective ease of service is defiitely a consideration for me.
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(OM - wouldn't you?!  Frilly, I think, would turn and nestle lol8[1].gif)

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Originally Posted by CHRK33 View Post

 I have been considering the following limited edition VC Overseas Chronograph (being first generation Greek in the U.S. it really speaks to me):

 

I am a novice in this subject, and have nothing useful to advise on pricing, relative depreciation, or where best to look.  But I do have strong feelings about one thing, on which subject I will elaborate shortly: if you're not someone who buys and sells in rotation to get the next big thing, and assuming you can afford it, there is only one big criterion for me, and that is whether you love it.  

 

I've just had some mixed experiences when putting things I like in principle from pictures and specifications, on my wrist for the first time.  Some were outstanding, some were disappointing.  Some I'd never have thought of, spoke to me in a way I never expected.  Have you ever seen one of these and put it on?  Or if not, perhaps put on another VC Overseas chrono to at least see how the weight, style and shape sit with you - especially if you can find one with a similarly made strap.  I'd recommend it most highly.

 

Perhaps that's obvious advice, but on a more emotional level, I think it's beautiful.  I regret that I didn't make it to VC and have never seen them in person - there is no AD in the country where I live, and in my recent tyre-kicking odyssey, it's the only one of the unofficial "big five" that I missed (it's in a different mall to all the others).  But I like who they are and what they stand for, I love their designs, and I've a feeling I'm destined to be a fan.  From the picture alone, I'd say if you think you're in love and you have to have it, you could do a lot worse!

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Thanks for the responses so far, guys, great stuff. I think I have some thoughts on my previous question. I will be by computer till later today, but I hope to be able to write them out sometime later.
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Is it just me, or is this guy leaning in?

 

 

Can't tell what (else) he's wearing. Gold Day-Date?

 

OMFG, OM. What an awesome picture to post.  That is of course Arnold Palmer, who has earned his share of accolades in his field.  I will forgive him for being so close to the Official TWAT Princess (deliberately, in italics). 

 

Your guess may well be right.  Arnold has been featured in Rolex ads with the gold Day-Date since at least the early 1980s.

 

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(OM - wouldn't you?!  Frilly, I think, would turn and nestle lol8%5B1%5D.gif)

 

I would not just turn and nestle.  I would apply for permanent residence.

 

As for the question about "knowledge getting in the way" versus the "pure aesthetic concern" - I dunno. I think that if you are so self-aware that you really believe your collection will soon be finalized with the acquisition of just this one last piece, and that you would not find yourself in a position where you need to resell the watch for one reason or another (meaning, well, you can predict the future pretty well)... then by all means, you can go ahead and go by pure aesthetics and emotional pull, budget permitting. 

 

But how many of us can say we're in this position?  I certainly can't. 

 

Then knowledge of resale value, etc will start creeping in and "getting in the way" of the "pure play."

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