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I will defer to your analysis then! I was not aware that the functionality analysis has been sidestepped. I was under the impression that design trademarks for veblen goods, especially clothing, have been difficult to acquire. I thought it was due to a functionality analysis. I could be completely pulling this out of my ass though!

I think it is tough though in this situation in general though. I don't think that an octagonal case with screws is necessarily "so affiliated" with the RO that it would cause any confusion. I am interested to see how it turns out though. I agree that it is much more likely that the parties will just settle. I seriously doubt there will be any litigation.

I definitely think that the designers should be afforded protection, I just wonder whether they will get any!
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Yes, I have to agree with your analysis here. This just seems like a little bit of puffery on the part of AP. And it certainly worked, considering that the TH watch was pulled from its site. It will probably be much less of hassle for TH just to pull the watch. Putting up a fight will really do a whole lot of nothing.

AP does have the advantage of having a very distinctly designed watch. I do not think Rolex could really make that much of a claim, since its designs are fairly generic. But the RO is certainly one of a kind!

Please feel free to use the disclaimer as frequently as you would like!
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There are many G-Shocks with all the complications boasted by Citizen AND a thermometer AND compass AND it's f*ng mud-proof!
And on that note: no lawsuits pending as far as I know, but check out this Burberry watch:

http://us.burberry.com/store/watches/mens-watches/the-britain/prod-38393671-the-britain-bby1203-43mm-automatic/

Homage to the humble Patek Philippe Aquanaut 5167/1A?

 

Haha...I looked at that too, but there's no way PP could win that one.  And not just because, at 43mm, it might not suit you (a new design paradigm that I hear has been passed to the whole PP creative team since around January, for some reason).  No, the real giveaway is as you said: unlike this pretender, no steel Patek is going to come with a deployant clasp just for nothing. lol8[1].gif

 

As for the AP vs TH thing, I think Dino's point is right, but in another way.  Of course, nobody wants legal fees and the threat of litigation is often enough to shut up the little guy.  But in this case, I think it's about PR in TH's  eyes.  As a "design" company, particularly one that has its own global problems with fakes, the last thing they want is articles in magazines and threads on Styleforum talking about their ripping off other people's designs instead of making their own.  As design and brand is all companies like TH actually create, being accused of taking even those from other people, should be sufficiently embarrassing.

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Haha...I looked at that too, but there's no way PP could win that one.  And not just because, at 43mm, it might not suit you (a new design paradigm that I hear has been passed to the whole PP creative team since around January, for some reason).  No, the real giveaway is as you said: unlike this pretender, no steel Patek is going to come with a deployant clasp just for nothing. lol8%5B1%5D.gif

 

As for the AP vs TH thing, I think Dino's point is right, but in another way.  Of course, nobody wants legal fees and the threat of litigation is often enough to shut up the little guy.  But in this case, I think it's about PR in TH's  eyes.  As a "design" company, particularly one that has its own global problems with fakes, the last thing they want is articles in magazines and threads on Styleforum talking about their ripping off other people's designs instead of making their own.  As design and brand is all companies like TH actually create, being accused of taking even those from other people, should be sufficiently embarrassing.

Mimo, I think you hit on an interesting point that no one else has.  Its kind of the pot calling the kettle black, if they deal with fakes and copies and battle makers of them, and then they are accused of making cheap copies themselves.  In addition, although all designers and design companies look to various things for inspiration, I don't think any design company wants to be perceived as unoriginal and as a producer of cheap looking copy cat goods. if I were TH, I'd resolve the matter as quickly as possible, and move on.  A design company being sued for making cheap looking copies isn't something that I'd want my company to be associated with if I were TH or someone high up in the company.

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I am going to have to respectfully disagree with Newcomer - Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I don't think AP is destined to lose this case and more likely will force TH to settle. Trademark and trade dress law can protect the look and feel of a product if it causes the "likelihood of confusion amongst consumers." The hurdle here is proving that consumers would be confused by TH's blatant copy when it costs 1/100th of a ROO. Functionality has been sidestepped by many circuits although I don't know what circuit AP sued in.

Interestingly enough for the NYers on the thread, Pearl Oyster Bar, a seafood shack styled restaurant in the Village, successfully sued Ed's Lobster Bar in the East Village for copying its style to the tee - marble bar, black and white tiling, lobster cages, etc. All these decorating cues seemed pretty generic to the legal community at the time (4-5 yrs ago) but a NY court concluded that diners would be confused and assumed that Pearl and Ed were affiliated and that Ed was unfairly piggybacking Pearl's goodwill. Ed had to re-decorate and lawyers were pretty surprised.

This is a really soft area of the law but I definitely think innovators even from an aesthetics point of view deserve any available protection. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

this is fascinating. if the legal precedent is there, i hope they win. shamelessly piggybacking on another companies design for ones own profit, and at the potential for loss on the part of the original designee, success should be, imo, disallowed.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Agreed, I think its mainly to make a point.  Same as Rolex and Cartier, spending millions each year going after counterfeiters.  Even if you don't win, or can't stop everyone, it does send a message, and may deter smaller companies.

as well, i i think it also is intended to send a message to the public. dont think we are in any way associated with this other company in any way whatsoever.
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On a completely unrelated note, I appear to have had the anti-Nuke experience today.  I'm in Dubai for a couple of days, and despite being a useless time-wasting tyre-kicker, was invited to try on all sorts of things.  How about this for a SF rarity?

 

 

I've never seen one of these before.  I suppose I should have made a video, in retrospect, sound effects and all.  Anyway, BB pic is all you get!

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Nighttime sandwich lume from my 312
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beautiful.
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On a completely unrelated note, I appear to have had the anti-Nuke experience today.  I'm in Dubai for a couple of days, and despite being a useless time-wasting tyre-kicker, was invited to try on all sorts of things.  How about this for a SF rarity?

 

 

I've never seen one of these before.  I suppose I should have made a video, in retrospect, sound effects and all.  Anyway, BB pic is all you get!

That's something you don't see every day.

 

Thanks for sharing.

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My Orient Symphony with a 'French Flag' Nato band.

 

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Nighttime sandwich lume from my 312

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i am still to get a decent lume pic. frown.gif
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Thread Starter 


That tough gal and I are reaching our 15 year anniversary. It's been on my side through many travels on all continents, and I can remember some days I've banged it quite hard (mostly in the early years...). Sure, her face is showing some signs of age now but those creamsicle tritium markers are more gorgeous today than the day we first met.

Thank you my lovely Sinn 142ST. I promise to treat you better in the next 15 years ! inlove.gif
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^^ there just arent many things better than that aged tritium. love it.
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looks great, g. are you proud of how well this thread of yours has flourished?
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i looked at two BNIB GPs todays, a mens and a ladies. stunning watches, but sadly the secondary market on these, particularly the ladies, is so weak, i was not able to come to agreement with the buyer for now. frown.gif

i really would love to take both and have the mens model for myself as a true dress watch, and give the ladies model to the wife. so pretty.




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