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On my way to see "Wicked," and I'm running LATE!

 

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Ha, I can see why you would think that, but truth be told I have a huge amount of respect for Rolex. In fact over the last year I've come to really appreciate them even more. I can't say a bad thing about the brand as a manufacturer. True, aesthetically many of their models don't speak to me the way they do to others, but I really hold the brand in high regard.

I would've much preferred his El Primero Steel Daytona over the gold Sub personally. I admit I don't have the knowledge to appreciate all the subtleties in the different dials and what makes them rare though. I was a little nervous watching him wear the gold Sub during that trial week - in one shot, he was wearing a bracelet with the metal clasp almost rubbing against the watch! Seems a no-no for a trial run!


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Yea...but you're kind of an anti-Rolex guy anyway.  I think its interesting to see some of the rarer pieces you wouldn't normally see particularly in gold.  In addition, the dial on it is what makes it kind if cool compared to later ones.  Also keep in mind the buyer was working within a budget, and even then he did end going bit beyond it.  I'm sure he saw some rarer, and possibly more interesting pieces, but they could have been beyond what he could do.  
post #23238 of 36765
Frills, that VC is absolutely stunning. That has to be one of my favorite VCs I have ever seen. That is just spectacular. I love the lugs.
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Belligero - great video. had not seen that before, thanks for sharing it.

frills - fantastic VC. notice that although there is no dot between the 31 and the 1, the 31 is red and the 1 is black, so as one would never see it as 311. well done VC!
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Love that VC, Frilly - and although it's still a lot of money, in terms of value, it seems a steal compared to a PP of Lange with similar functions.  Nice size, beautiful shape with those lugs, proper grail territory!  I love that moonphase....platinum for me, please. :)

 

Nuke - good luck with the exams, I'm sure you'll nail it.

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Looking at the various posts, got me itching to get a complication watch; with my current budget, I am looking at the Longines Master Collection L2.738.4.71.6, 41mm.

I am preferring the white dial over the black dial, which is L2.738.4.51.6.

What do you guys think?

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and I would also prefer the jubilee bracelet to go with the fluted bezel.

 

Well you guys should like what I have on the way ... I've been fully sucked into the TWAT Vortex facepalm.gif.  Ha.  Thanks for all the advice from those on the thread, will be posting when the new guy arrives. 

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nice looking watch. Are you going strap or bracelet?

definitely rec white over the black
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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

Looking at the various posts, got me itching to get a complication watch; with my current budget, I am looking at the Longines Master Collection L2.738.4.71.6, 41mm.

I am preferring the white dial over the black dial, which is L2.738.4.51.6.

What do you guys think?

post #23244 of 36765
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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

nice looking watch. Are you going strap or bracelet?

definitely rec white over the black
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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

Looking at the various posts, got me itching to get a complication watch; with my current budget, I am looking at the Longines Master Collection L2.738.4.71.6, 41mm.

I am preferring the white dial over the black dial, which is L2.738.4.51.6.

What do you guys think?


bracelet, I hardly ever wear my leather belt Longines.
post #23245 of 36765
Silver dial all the way on that Longines. I'd wear it on a strap as it is a dresser piece, but it looks nice on the bracelet as well. Better to buy it that way in any event, since you can always add an aftermarket strap of your choosing.
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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

Ha, I can see why you would think that, but truth be told I have a huge amount of respect for Rolex. In fact over the last year I've come to really appreciate them even more. I can't say a bad thing about the brand as a manufacturer. True, aesthetically many of their models don't speak to me the way they do to others, but I really hold the brand in high regard.

I would've much preferred his El Primero Steel Daytona over the gold Sub personally. I admit I don't have the knowledge to appreciate all the subtleties in the different dials and what makes them rare though. I was a little nervous watching him wear the gold Sub during that trial week - in one shot, he was wearing a bracelet with the metal clasp almost rubbing against the watch! Seems a no-no for a trial run!
I was thinking the same thing; the 18K Submariner is great in its own way, but I think the Zenith Daytona, especially in stainless, is a much more practical choice as the mythical "one watch", as well as being more inherently interesting.

An 18K '80s Submariner on bracelet can be completely bad-ass for those who can pull off the look, or as a special-occasion piece for mere mortals. But as a daily wearer, I'm not so sure... plus it's a bit compromised from a purist's standpoint. The 4030-movement Daytona doesn't have the cognitive dissonance factor of a precious-metal diver's watch. Not saying that I wouldn't love an 18K Sub (or better yet, older GMT), just that I probably wouldn't dump a 16520 and a nice steel Sub (can't remember if was plus cash in this case, but I bet it was) for one.

Regarding that generation of Daytonæ, my local watchmaker friend spent three weeks this June at Rolex's advanced course in Geneva, where one of the calibres they covered was the 4030 — along with the OysterQuartz, but that one deserves its own post as it's an under-appreciated gem of a watch. He talked about how much he enjoyed learning about and working on the modified Zenith movement, and how much his appreciation for it has increased after getting training straight from the mothership. He considers it to be one of the best examples of classic horizontally-coupled chronograph construction ever produced from a design standpoint, and the modifications that constitute 50% the base-movement parts make it an even more refined and reliable movement than the quite-good-on-its-own standard El Primero. Zenith has gradually phased in some of Rolex's refinements to its current-production versions as well; that was news to me. He said that he has rarely felt as satisfied as a watchmaker as when he was doing the course work on that one, and that he looks forward to having them on his workbench more than ever. No wonder they were so hard to get at retail; quite a bit of traditional watchmaking effort went into each one. The newer one is an "engineering masterpiece" in his opinion, but relies far less on traditional methods for its manufacture.

While on the subject of classic chronographs, another detail that I remembered from our conversation was the description of some of the subtler ways that a high-grade chronograph movement, such any produced by Patek Philippe, differs from one that's less finely finished; the switching mechanism for the chronograph wheel is hand-filed to as fine of a tolerance as possible to minimize the jump of the seconds hand when the system is engaged. However, the current Patek chrono movement instead uses a vertical clutch, which completely eliminates any jump. I guess you kind of have to be a watch geek to give a crap about this stuff, but I really enjoyed the conversation.

So yes, I figure that the show's narrator probably should have kept the 16520 as well. But it just goes to show the inherent irrationality of the game, and as much as we try to analyze it from a rational standpoint, it's subjective in the end. The piece certainly did a good job of showing the capriciousness and emotional elements that exist. Plus it's not difficult to understand the appeal of an old-school Submariner in gold; they look tremendous in person.

Returning to Zenith movements, I recently got to talking to someone who was sporting a Vintage 1969 El Primero in 18K, and it was simply a knockout. What a sculpture; the statement that really stayed with me from the Tom Bolt feature was that "watches are for wearing", and this one was absolutely great on the wrist:
Zenith Vintage 1969 chrono in 18K (Click to show)
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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

nice looking watch. Are you going strap or bracelet?

definitely rec white over the black
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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

Looking at the various posts, got me itching to get a complication watch; with my current budget, I am looking at the Longines Master Collection L2.738.4.71.6, 41mm.

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

Silver dial all the way on that Longines. I'd wear it on a strap as it is a dresser piece, but it looks nice on the bracelet as well. Better to buy it that way in any event, since you can always add an aftermarket strap of your choosing.

Yes silver dial it is, what is the general consensus on Longines retrograde moon phases? Are they too much to pay for a Longines?
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

A great watch with a very VC case (using flared lugs).  What a lot of people like about that watch is the engraved moon phase disk made entirely of 18K gold on the gold version...I believe its in PT on the PT version.  I've only see that model once in person, but its really beautiful. 

 

Yes, moon + stars clearly applied, in precious metals. 

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Frills, that VC is absolutely stunning. That has to be one of my favorite VCs I have ever seen. That is just spectacular. I love the lugs.

 

Isn't it lovely?

 

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Belligero - great video. had not seen that before, thanks for sharing it.

frills - fantastic VC. notice that although there is no dot between the 31 and the 1, the 31 is red and the 1 is black, so as one would never see it as 311. well done VC!

 

I thought you might point that out! nod[1].gif

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Love that VC, Frilly - and although it's still a lot of money, in terms of value, it seems a steal compared to a PP of Lange with similar functions.  Nice size, beautiful shape with those lugs, proper grail territory!  I love that moonphase....platinum for me, please. :)

 

And yes, it's still a lot of money but here's a platinum one that cleared in a Sotheby's HK auction for around $65K including buyer's premium:

 

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2012/important-watches-hk0389/lot.2146.lotnum.html

 

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


While on the subject of classic chronographs, another detail that I remembered from our conversation was the description of some of the subtler ways that a high-grade chronograph movement, such any produced by Patek Philippe, differs from one that's less finely finished; the switching mechanism for the chronograph wheel is hand-filed to as fine of a tolerance as possible to minimize the jump of the seconds hand when the system is engaged. However, the current Patek chrono movement instead uses a vertical clutch, which completely eliminates any jump. I guess you kind of have to be a watch geek to give a crap about this stuff, but I really enjoyed the conversation.

 

We give a crap about this stuff, don't we!

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Well you guys should like what I have on the way ... I've been fully sucked into the TWAT Vortex facepalm.gif
.  Ha.  Thanks for all the advice from those on the thread, will be posting when the new guy arrives. 

bounce2.gif cant wait to see it!!!!

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

Silver dial all the way on that Longines. I'd wear it on a strap as it is a dresser piece, but it looks nice on the bracelet as well. Better to buy it that way in any event, since you can always add an aftermarket strap of your choosing.

agree to all of this 100%.
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sidebar - for anyone unsure about rolex as a brand, watchtime did some EXCELLENT interviews and articles on rolex. the brand, the watches, the facility, the processes.... they are fantastic. almost impossible to read all of it and not be awed by who they are as a company and a manufacture. im sure you can find it online in their archive, and i highly recommend reading those pieces.
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So I'm not sure if I missed this being posted on TWAT, but this article did come out a few days ago:

 

http://www.theprodigalguide.com/2013/07/16/great-scott-new-uk-watch-brand-builds-worlds-first-atomic-pocket-watch/

 

Now, it's a pocket watch, but it has interesting complications:

 

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1. Hours 2. Minutes 3. Seconds 4. Annual wheel 5. Magnetic compass 6. Longitude – coarse scale 7. Not shown due to patent applications 8. Day of week 9. Humidity 10. Date 11. Sidereal seconds 12. Power remaining 13. Tide forecast 14. Tide height 15. Temperature 16. Atmospheric pressure 17. Latitude – minutes 18. Latitude – degrees 19. Sidereal hours 20. Sidereal minutes 21. Longitude – minutes 22. Longitude – degrees 23. Microwave resonator status 24. Charge status 25. Atomic resonance lock indicator 26. Clock status – atomic / ACXO / TCXO 27. Caesium oven status 28. Laser status

 

And it seems rather accurate.

 

It is also 82mm in diameter and 25mm thick, which means I can wear it on my chest and look like a superhero.

 

Thoughts, TWAT brethren?

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