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post #22936 of 35662
Some of the watches on here are unreal! I could really use some help here...I'm really torn between a couple vintage watches I like for an elegant dress watch. I don't have much experience evaluating the value of vintage watches so I was hoping someone might be able to help here. I have a brown strap steel dress watch and some more sport oriented pieces so this type of watch would round out a hole in my collection nicely. I'm looking for a simple clean (but not Baohaus inspired) gold dress watch with a quality movement.

What I don't know is the following:

-Which watch has a more desirable movement?
-Which watch is more sought after?
-Which watch is a better value based on the selling price?

AP: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=6555682&rid=105041#msg_6555682

Patek: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6549685&rid=0
post #22937 of 35662
i dont know enough about vintage pieces to really answer those questions, though i imagine both models have a relatively "basic" movement, certainly seems so from the PP pic. tiffany co-branded pieces are neat and based purely off of aesthetics, they are too similar to really say i like one much more than the other, kind of a toss up for me.
post #22938 of 35662

I am in no position to answer any of your questions with any authority (better hope Dino shows up...).

 

But I will say one thing: although they're both great to look at, I couldn't get along with either of them simply because of the size.  I've had a 34mm watch before - on a bracelet and thicker than the AP too - and it just looked too tiny on my (average, I guess) wrist.  My better half insisted it was insufficiently manly!  My current daily watch is still barely over 35mm but it's amazing how much difference that makes, especially with more modern larger lugs and a thicker case too.

 

So, although as a layman, I'd say the PP is both prettier and the most celebrated brand, it's also at the smaller end of men's watches even by vintage standards.  Even the AP might look odd on you if you want it as a regular dress watch.  Therefore, getting to the point: I wouldn't buy either of them without trying something similar on and checking it didn't look like it was my mother's.

 

They are both very beautiful, though.

post #22939 of 35662
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Originally Posted by mackmittonz View Post

Some of the watches on here are unreal! I could really use some help here...I'm really torn between a couple vintage watches I like for an elegant dress watch. I don't have much experience evaluating the value of vintage watches so I was hoping someone might be able to help here. I have a brown strap steel dress watch and some more sport oriented pieces so this type of watch would round out a hole in my collection nicely. I'm looking for a simple clean (but not Baohaus inspired) gold dress watch with a quality movement.

What I don't know is the following:

-Which watch has a more desirable movement?
-Which watch is more sought after?
-Which watch is a better value based on the selling price?

AP: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=6555682&rid=105041#msg_6555682

Patek: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6549685&rid=0

 

Both are from top end brands, similar designs, gold case, roman dial, both appear to have been retailed by Tiffany & co.  Both are similar in sizes, the AP is 34mm and the PP is 33mm.  I personally would prefer the 34 to a 33 mm watch case, but that's something that is up to you. 

 

I think the size, relatively small by today's standards may limit them being as you asked "More sought after or collectible" in the future.  Today people tend to favor watches that are at least 36 mm or larger. 

 

Many people feel that Patek has a bit more cache today.  I don't know that it truly matters on piece of this vintage or size.

 

The big difference is the movement.  The AP is an automatic, the Patek is a manual.  Beyond that AP's movement 2120, is a fantastic and iconic movement.  It one of the thinnest automatic movements of all time.  It was also in its base form, the only movement ever to be used by AP, Patek, and Vacheron Constantin.    AP owns the rights to it, and still uses it their Ultra Thin Jules Audemars and the RO Jumbo (but using the date version 2121).  VC has continued to use this movement in a few of their pieces even in recent years.  Patek makes a nice movement and its always beautifully finished.  I don't know enough about the movement in this particular Patek to say whether its really something unusual for Patek, but I don't see anything special about it compared to other pieces from its time frame.

 

As for price, Patek has a certain cache and are often priced a bit higher than a similar AP or VC.  Beyond that, IMHO its really personal preference.

post #22940 of 35662
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

i dont know enough about vintage pieces to really answer those questions, though i imagine both models have a relatively "basic" movement, certainly seems so from the PP pic. tiffany co-branded pieces are neat and based purely off of aesthetics, they are too similar to really say i like one much more than the other, kind of a toss up for me.

+1 Spot on Stitchy!

 

fistbump.gif

 

PS...less than 10 minutes for the unveiling!

post #22941 of 35662
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

I am in no position to answer any of your questions with any authority (better hope Dino shows up...).

 

But I will say one thing: although they're both great to look at, I couldn't get along with either of them simply because of the size.  I've had a 34mm watch before - on a bracelet and thicker than the AP too - and it just looked too tiny on my (average, I guess) wrist.  My better half insisted it was insufficiently manly!  My current daily watch is still barely over 35mm but it's amazing how much difference that makes, especially with more modern larger lugs and a thicker case too.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

So, although as a layman, I'd say the PP is both prettier and the most celebrated brand, it's also at the smaller end of men's watches even by vintage standards.  Even the AP might look odd on you if you want it as a regular dress watch.

 

 

  Therefore, getting to the point: I wouldn't buy either of them without trying something similar on and checking it didn't look like it was my mother's.

 

They are both very beautiful, though.

For some reason I can't multi quote at the moment.  

 

LOLing...(better hope Dino shows up) .  Thanks...I couldn't help but chuckle a bit.

 

I agree 100% regarding size.  I would have to try something on that size to be sure I would be happy with it.  

 

IMHO the AP movement is the better of the 2 movements.  But others who have a strong PP bias might disagree.  If the PP were an ultra thin auto, with as storied a history as cal 2020 (and its variations) it might level the playing field a bit more than just having PP's cache.

post #22942 of 35662
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Originally Posted by NonServiam View Post

Have you tried both on the wrist? They wear quite differently, I find. Mostly due to the bracelets. I love the El Primero Daytonas, and sold my 15300 rather quickly ...

Did get to the AP boutique on the Rue Saint-Honore today where the rather foxy agent let me fondle her ... 15400s and 15202s.

Probably going to hell for this, but I honestly prefer the new one. Standard length bracelet fits me to the millimeter, too. It must be a sign!

PS: Paris (or at least the 1st) as usual makes me feel fat, ugly, ill-dressed and poor. Other than that, I love it!
post #22943 of 35662
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Both are from top end brands, similar designs, gold case, roman dial, both appear to have been retailed by Tiffany & co.  Both are similar in sizes, the AP is 34mm and the PP is 33mm.  I personally would prefer the 34 to a 33 mm watch case, but that's something that is up to you. 

I think the size, relatively small by today's standards may limit them being as you asked "More sought after or collectible" in the future.  Today people tend to favor watches that are at least 36 mm or larger. 

Many people feel that Patek has a bit more cache today.  I don't know that it truly matters on piece of this vintage or size.

The big difference is the movement.  The AP is an automatic, the Patek is a manual.  Beyond that AP's movement 2120, is a fantastic and iconic movement.  It one of the thinnest automatic movements of all time.  It was also in its base form, the only movement ever to be used by AP, Patek, and Vacheron Constantin.    AP owns the rights to it, and still uses it their Ultra Thin Jules Audemars and the RO Jumbo (but using the date version 2121).  VC has continued to use this movement in a few of their pieces even in recent years.  Patek makes a nice movement and its always beautifully finished.  I don't know enough about the movement in this particular Patek to say whether its really something unusual for Patek, but I don't see anything special about it compared to other pieces from its time frame.

As for price, Patek has a certain cache and are often priced a bit higher than a similar AP or VC.  Beyond that, IMHO its really personal preference.

This response and the others thus far are exactly why I posted my question here. The info is extremely helpful and is not some sort of fanboy based drivel. I think I'm leaning toward the AP given the information on the movement. I would love to own a Patek but I thought the movement looked pretty pedestrian as well. I'm not own to just buy something based on the brand typically so I'll wait and grab another Patek when the opportunity arises.

As for the concerns about size, I have to confess that the primary wearer of the watch will be my wife. I typically wear silver colored belt buckles and brown shoes so my brown strap steel case watches get 99% of the wrist time. Maybe once every couple months I'll wear black chelseas and will need a watch and this one could work in a pinch.

Thanks again for everyone's information. It was definitely very helpful!

P.S. The Tiffany branding has nothing to do with why I chose these two watches. I just ended up finding these two and they both had the branding.
post #22944 of 35662
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

+1 Spot on Stitchy!
fistbump.gif
PS...less than 10 minutes for the unveiling!

it always makes me happy when we agree on things.

and yes, the time is now!

so our good friend belligero was the closest, in his post below, as far as the tennis connection. sadly for us all, he was off on the watch part.
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

wow, a DatoGraf? No need to be so modest... nice!

the tennis champion rhyme was indeed none other than the famed and highly accomplished steffi graf. however, no lange for me.

it is going to be, unless i chicken out at the very last second......


....... a rolex DJ turn-o-graph! yay!
post #22945 of 35662
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Originally Posted by Omega Male View Post


Did get to the AP boutique on the Rue Saint-Honore today where the rather foxy agent let me fondle her ... 15400s and 15202s.

Probably going to hell for this, but I honestly prefer the new one. Standard length bracelet fits me to the millimeter, too. It must be a sign!

PS: Paris (or at least the 1st) as usual makes me feel fat, ugly, ill-dressed and poor. Other than that, I love it!

No pix of you fondling the foxy agent's....15400s and 15202s?  Shame on you.

 

As for preferring the new one, its a really great watch.  They make it because some people will make the mistake of not going to go for the classic 15202. wink.gif  So no worries, you are not going to hell....you just won't be going to heaven.  All kidding aside, each RO variation is a beautiful, extremely well made watch...its just people have different preferences and requirements.

 

You could easily improve how you were dressed by leaving the boutique with an AP...although that might further add to making you feel poor wink.gif

post #22946 of 35662
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Originally Posted by mackmittonz View Post


This response and the others thus far are exactly why I posted my question here. The info is extremely helpful and is not some sort of fanboy based drivel. I think I'm leaning toward the AP given the information on the movement. I would love to own a Patek but I thought the movement looked pretty pedestrian as well. I'm not own to just buy something based on the brand typically so I'll wait and grab another Patek when the opportunity arises.
 


Make sure you look in to servicing costs on vintage watches before you finally pull the trigger if cost is a reason went the vintage route.

post #22947 of 35662
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

it always makes me happy when we agree on things.

and yes, the time is now!

so our good friend belligero was the closest, in his post below, as far as the tennis connection. sadly for us all, he was off on the watch part.
the tennis champion rhyme was indeed none other than the famed and highly accomplished steffi graf. however, no lange for me.

it is going to be, unless i chicken out at the very last second......


....... a rolex DJ turn-o-graph! yay!

Thunderbird?

PICS!!!
post #22948 of 35662

In a tragic personal nadir, I rushed home with my overdue dinner, put it to one side to get cold, and instead opened this thread just to see what Stitchy had got.  And there's no picture.  I am going to hang myself now.

 

Or maybe eat my dinner.  

post #22949 of 35662
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Originally Posted by Flake View Post

Thunderbird?
PICS!!!

no thunderbird. its a 2011. i do like the thunderbird, but i like this one even bettar!!!
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

In a tragic personal nadir, I rushed home with my overdue dinner, put it to one side to get cold, and instead opened this thread just to see what Stitchy had got.  And there's no picture.  I am going to hang myself now.
Or maybe eat my dinner.  

lol. sorry bout that.

no pics til next week! in the meantime ill soon share how it came to pass that i selected this model.
post #22950 of 35662
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

and yes, the time is now!

so our good friend belligero was the closest, in his post below, as far as the tennis connection. sadly for us all, he was off on the watch part.
the tennis champion rhyme was indeed none other than the famed and highly accomplished steffi graf. however, no lange for me.

it is going to be, unless i chicken out at the very last second......


....... a rolex DJ turn-o-graph! yay!

 

A Rollie turn-o-graph!  Congratulations!

 

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

No pix of you fondling the foxy agent's....15400s and 15202s?  Shame on you.

 

I'm glad you called Omega Male on that transgression, Dino.  Sooner or later, someone else would have, if you didn't get there first. 

 

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

In a tragic personal nadir, I rushed home with my overdue dinner, put it to one side to get cold, and instead opened this thread just to see what Stitchy had got.  And there's no picture.  I am going to hang myself now.

 

Or maybe eat my dinner.  

 

I hope you're still going to be posting again at some point.  How was dinner?

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