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as promised, some tales from my trip to NYC yesterday.

first and foremost, i happened upon the wempe/rolex boutique and they had the blue/black GMT. amazing. sits supremely comfortable on the wrist, nice heft but not too heavy. looks absolutely stunning in person. this may very well be my next watch, by hook or by crook. lady said i couldnt buy the one i tried on. there is wait list. close call lol (not really).







i hit the omega boutiqe and saw the hour vision which was pretty cool. i also tried on the speedy, this was a reissue numbered edition, i tried it on because it was on a strap, not a bracelet. very comfortable and great looking. i think outside of high complications the speedy may be my favorite chrono, tough call against the daytona, but on of those two takes the top spot for me.




hit the breitling and piaget boutiques as well. tried on the emperador. what a gorgeous watch. wish it had an exhibition back, but still, fantastic timepiece. sorry, i didnt take pics. frown.gif


lastly i hit torneau. what a shit hole. great looking building, great inventory, i mean wow, they have a lot to look at. and on top of that, they must have 100 SAs/employees there, and still, i felt like no one gave a crap about me. i even got lip from the SA for winding the watch i was looking at to see it run. i mean, it was an IWC fa jones tourbillon, but i never had that happen to me before. amazing watch btw.


as for the boutiques, they were fantastic. every person i spoke to was well educated on the products, very very nice, and not only did they let me try on watches, the encouraged and asked me to try on watches. i have to say, the feel and service of all the boutiques i have visited were all absolutely fantastic.



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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

Beautiful Stitchy, you are really making me want to try on a Squadra the next time I am anywhere close to a JLC dealer.

And I have to say... the black croc strap is really where it is at. The Ostrich is nice to have though. It has darkened substantially from the original pictures.

thanks! you should. then we can be watch twinz and tie twinz!

the black croc on your watch of your is sublime.
post #21993 of 38555
^^That speedy looks great, I am going to have to get a strap for mine. Still not a huge fan of the newly released GMT.
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

I agree with Dino. Get a brand name classic watch (Patek, Lange, AP, VC, Rolex and Cartier). I went Lange. Although, it seems the "Nomos Tangente Glasboden" is not in that price range. You might want to consider pricing up, if possible, or buying an estate piece / used. This is a special item, and you want it to last. I also agree with Dino - Do not alter the case or the buckle with inscriptions. If you must inscribe something, add it to the inner band (that is easily replaceable).

Best wishes on your new journey!

I think you have mistakenly combined my 2 posts.  My post to the engaged couple was only relative to engraving/embossing.   My discussion about "Big name brands" was in response to Journeyman's discussion about SF's choosing watches from brands that are owned by big companies. 

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 I think Audemars and Patek are still independently owned, too.

Yes, they are.  Actually, AP is the only company that is still owned by owned by family of the founders. 

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Originally Posted by PapaRubbery View Post

 

Embossing the strap does seem a less permanent solution to personalising. 

 

I know JC Randell - outside of our budget I'm afraid. 

 

Thanks for the congrats! I'm very lucky!

 

Cheers for the congrats. She's wonderful; I'm very happy. She's definitely marrying beneath herself. Her loss! Haha.

 

I know Nomos isn't as big name as the other brands mentioned, but I think it provides a fantastic watch for the price point. I can't find anything similar in design for the money, and I've actually handed it and was very impressed. I tried on other watches of similar style, and didn't think that they commanded the price difference - especially for an entry level dress watch. 

 

Thanks for the post. Much appreciated!

Got a good laugh about her marrying beneath herself.  Congrats to both of you.  Nomos is a good solid brand.  I'm sure it will being you many years of happiness.  Wishing you all the best. 

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I know it's a generalisation, but it is nonetheless interesting to see how some on SF fetishize the purchasing of clothing from small, independent ateliers and pay many thousands of dollars for the privilege (plus having to wait for a very long time to receive the clothing, in some cases), but when it comes to watches, they stick firmly to tried-and-true, large and well-known brands.

Of course, I do understand that watches are not precisely the same as clothes and I certainly take Dino's point that it can be much easier to get parts for watches from large companies, and that resale value is also much more consistent. People are much more likely to resell a watch than a pair of Ambrosi trousers!

I guess I see clothing and watches as so different, that its difficult to make any direct comparison in how people choose them.  Sure I think people strive to purchase quality with each, and some people like products from smaller companies that they perceive as offering greater exclusivity, while others prefer to deal with known entities.  I don't think either choice is wrong, its simply how risk averse we may be.  

 

I learned a long time ago, you can spend a tremendous sum of money on the finest suit.  If it brings you enjoyment, its great quality, you enjoyed the shopping experience, and you feel good wearing it that is what matters.  However, once they cut the sleeves and pants to your size, particularly if you are short, it limits who could purchase it after you and to be honest...its just not worth very much to a subsequent buyer.  It can also easily get stained, torn, or if its not something classic in style, it could be out of style in a few years.  So when we buy fine clothing, we expect its just for our personal enjoyment and there really is very little value beyond that.  I don't think I've met many people that say, I hope someday my son and grandson will wear these trousers. 

 

When people spend a lot of money on watches, many people hope it is something that will last a lifetime.  That it is something that can be passed down to our future generations.  They hope it is something that will at least retain a good amount of its value (or if luck lends a hand it may even appreciate in value some day). However, to do these things, the watch must be functional, it must be something that can be serviced, and something that parts are available for or could be made if necessary.  Hence it seems natural that many people would turn to established companies and companies with significant financial backing to ensure that parts, service, and resale value will still be there many years from now.  Yes, a very gifted watch maker may be able to make parts for an old, IMHO, I would much rather have Patek, AP, VC etc source or make parts and do work on my watch rather than someone who is essentially an aftermarket person. To me its part of keeping the watch as original as possible and having only Patek, AP, VC parts.  A former VC forum moderator bought a vintage VC, it needed restoration and its dial was no good.  They helped track down a NOS dial that was 50-60 years old at a very old VC service center, in a foreign country.  I highly doubt some clothing company will need to, or is going to help a person find a period correct zipper for a pair of pants.  

 

The above is just my 2 cents on why you see a difference in the sizes and types of companies people buy clothing from vs. watches. 

 

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

 

That's a great find.  I think Dino's arguments about independents are definitely sound, but when you can pick up something like that relatively cheaply, from a company that's now been in business a while, and that uses a lot of generic parts, the risk seems negligible.  Anyway, congratulations, I love it.

If someone can find a relatively reasonably priced watch from an independent, and they like the design, I say why not go for it.  Choices are often limited in the lower price ranges and if you can get something interesting, you don't have much money tied up in it, and the quality is pretty good, it might be a nice choice for you.  Its when someone starts spending a lot of money on an independent that I start to wonder if that is such a great purchase.  We all have different taste, but sometimes I see people purchase something for the sake of being different (which is fine), but there is a big difference between buying something that is different and buying something that is better.  I've seen some nice watches from independents, and they can be quite creative at times, but when I've looked at some of the details they are sometimes not as finely finished as pieces I've seen from say PP, Lange, AP etc.

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I think there's maybe a sweet spot of value versus the size of the company. RGM and Nomos, both mentioned in this context above, are not something new and unpredictable either. They both now seem like established makers with their own loyal customers and following, and fall at the lower end of the "proper" watch market in terms of price, too. So what's to lose?

As for the fashion brands, or re-invented brands like Perrelet, they are just not happening for me unless they are offering something truly original. No doubt that's why they are so heavily discounted: I just looked at a retrograde hour regulator from Perrelet just as a novelty. Apart from being rather cheap looking, it's listed at over 9k, which is insane considering what that could buy. It took all of thirty seconds to find it online at 60 per cent off. No need to ask why.

RGM and Nomos are both very good brands.  I can easily see how they appeal to many people as they are relatively affordable for what they are offering.

 

As for "Re-invented brands" like Perrelet, I just don't think of them as anything significant or authentic.  Brands like Perrelet and Graham really have nothing to do with their namesakes.  They are merely marketing ploys using names from the past to create history and mystique for what are actually new brands.  There are enough really good offerings from other brands that have actual history and have made significant contributions to the watch world.

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^^^ Dino: exactly.

 

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Originally Posted by staxringold View Post


To each his own, but I would not wear that watch.

 

I only wore it for a picture...so I guess i'd wear it, but never buy it!  Just goes back to a previous discussion about silly watches.

 

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

I will admit that I totally dig the Graham Chronofighter watches with the cappuccino machine grafted onto the side (though not that particular one). Completely over the top, but cool. I'd never buy one, though. As price rises my taste becomes increasingly conservative. A big cool funky-fun CHEAP watch is something I would go for. A big cool funky-fun PRICEY watch - no way.

 

The thing is, if you do like them, they're another watch that seems to be discounted  very quickly and very heavily.  Not as much as Perrelet perhaps, but the fact that they have so many different editions seems to add to the price crash - there's always a "new one".  Perhaps they were hoping to be collectible by having a lot of odd editions, but personally I reckon they'd be better off toning down a notch and having a consistent, coherent line up to build their brand first.  Still not worth it for me, although I did like one of their simpler "Spitfire" editions.

 

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Thanks! I will post my Speedmaster Review in here as well then.

 

Look forward to it.  These things can be a bit limp sometimes - nobody wanting to bite the hand that feeds them.  But I think you got the balance about right.

 

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as promised, some tales from my trip to NYC yesterday.

 

 

"Police are searching for a Jewish man in good shoes, known only as "Stitchy""  "I feel such a fool", said Ferrari owner Matthew Spoo, "I mean, I know the guy from the freaking internet...what was I thinking giving him the keys?!"  

 

I really like the way the GMT looks in this pic.  That three-way cage fight with you and Dino is abck on!  As for the Speedy, I think it's just such a different hit from the Daytona.  Apart from the price difference, of course, I find the Daytona much  more dressy and almost ostentatious.  And I love it.  But the Speedy has that jeans and leather knockabout look, like a pilot watch, or an old Sub.  And I think it looks way cooler on a strap - unlike the Daytona, where the Oyster bracelet is the only way it works.  You should probably have one.  Just sayin'.

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 Still not worth it for me, although I did like one of their simpler "Spitfire" editions.

 

That's the one I could see myself wearing, if not actually buying.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

as promised, some tales from my trip to NYC yesterday.

first and foremost, i happened upon the wempe/rolex boutique and they had the blue/black GMT. amazing. sits supremely comfortable on the wrist, nice heft but not too heavy. looks absolutely stunning in person. this may very well be my next watch, by hook or by crook. lady said i couldnt buy the one i tried on. there is wait list. close call lol (not really).




lastly i hit torneau. what a shit hole. great looking building, great inventory, i mean wow, they have a lot to look at. and on top of that, they must have 100 SAs/employees there, and still, i felt like no one gave a crap about me. i even got lip from the SA for winding the watch i was looking at to see it run. i mean, it was an IWC fa jones tourbillon, but i never had that happen to me before. amazing watch btw.


as for the boutiques, they were fantastic. every person i spoke to was well educated on the products, very very nice, and not only did they let me try on watches, the encouraged and asked me to try on watches. i have to say, the feel and service of all the boutiques i have visited were all absolutely fantastic.



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I love the look of the new GMT.  I look forward to seeing one in the metal eventually.  Glad to hear it did not disappoint in person.

 

Tourneau is always like that.  Its fine to look there,  but the overall experience is always a let down.  I find the SAs are like vultures hovering over a meal as they are afraid if you talk to anyone besides them they will lose their next meal.  Its a very uncomfortable feeling.  In addition, their sales people rarely seem well educated when it comes to product information. 

 

Most of the boutiques are really a joy to visit.  Great selections and very knowledgeable SAs.   Although, I wasn't terribly impressed with the VC sales associate I had on my last visit to their NYC boutique.  She didn't seem to know much about the models I asked to look at.  When I asked a few questions, all she could do was try to skim their website using an iPad.  I would have thought she would have info available to her beyond what I have access to from home.   

 

The F430 will go really well with a new Black/Blue GMT!  devil.gif

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Originally Posted by forex View Post

^^That speedy looks great, I am going to have to get a strap for mine. Still not a huge fan of the newly released GMT.

you should be, imo. its awesome. pricey at 8950, but im yearning hard for it. how well it sat on the wrist and supremely comfortable it was really pushed me over the edge.
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"Police are searching for a Jewish man in good shoes, known only as "Stitchy""  "I feel such a fool", said Ferrari owner Matthew Spoo, "I mean, I know the guy from the freaking internet...what was I thinking giving him the keys?!"

lol  
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I really like the way the GMT looks in this pic.  That three-way cage fight with you and Dino is abck on!  As for the Speedy, I think it's just such a different hit from the Daytona.  Apart from the price difference, of course, I find the Daytona much  more dressy and almost ostentatious.  And I love it.  But the Speedy has that jeans and leather knockabout look, like a pilot watch, or an old Sub.  And I think it looks way cooler on a strap - unlike the Daytona, where the Oyster bracelet is the only way it works.  You should probably have one.  Just sayin'.

because its awesome. hard to decide between daytona and speedy. very different watches. having both is obviously the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

I love the look of the new GMT.  I look forward to seeing one in the metal eventually.  Glad to hear it did not disappoint in person.

Tourneau is always like that.  Its fine to look there,  but the overall experience is always a let down.  I find the SAs are like vultures hovering over a meal as they are afraid if you talk to anyone besides them they will lose their next meal.  Its a very uncomfortable feeling.  In addition, their sales people rarely seem well educated when it comes to product information. 

Most of the boutiques are really a joy to visit.  Great selections and very knowledgeable SAs.   Although, I wasn't terribly impressed with the VC sales associate I had on my last visit to their NYC boutique.  She didn't seem to know much about the models I asked to look at.  When I asked a few questions, all she could do was try to skim their website using an iPad.  I would have thought she would have info available to her beyond what I have access to from home.   

The F430 will go really well with a new Black/Blue GMT!  devil.gif

i look forward to seeing one on your wrist.

too bad about VC. frown.gif

yes, that would be a great watch/car combo.

also, i have noticed that almost every SA in the boutiques were asian women, usually looked to be 30 and older, with some younger women.
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on another note, a customer left this for us to make an offer on.







LOLOLOLOLOLOL WHO GUESSES IT AND WHO WAS FOOLED????


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Did the resultant offer include an invitation to go and undertake an improbable auto-sexual feat?

 

That's really quite special. crackup[1].gif

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I will buy it, $8,000!

Look at that black polished battery. Stunning.
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Even if it were real, the condition was awful. But I suspected foul play just based on the fact that most people who pay that much for a watch take better care.
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Apart from the un-brushed case, my first thought was "did they start off faking a Valjoux 7750-powered Tag, and then change their minds?"

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lolz. customer does not know yet. they left the watch over the weekend. my boss wanted me too look at it before he decided.

i had some indications, but because of the number of ROO models i was not 10000000% sure until i opened it up. then i looked at the seconds hand to see it "ticking" not "running." i didnt even check that because i could not imagine that the guy who looked at it would not have picked up on that. had i saw that, i wouldnt even have opened up.

good luck to my co-worker who has to relay the news.

as to condition, i have found that its not really a great indicator. even the fact it had no box and papers. when it comes to the very rich, a lot of these watches are impulse buys for fun or gifts to people who are not really watch lovers, especially if they are graduation presents. its just a fun trinket to play with until its broken. the box and papers are like gas station receipts and get thrown away or lost and forgotten about.

resale is not a factor when some of these are bought or received. sad, i know. but different strokes for different folks. we have bought some fantastic pieces that were all messed up and no box or papers. obviously the cost to repair is significant and the resale value is less, and we therefor offer less, but for the right price, they can be great buys.
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N.B. I knew you were a pawnbroker! 

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