Originally Posted by ThinkDerm
I agree with Dino. Get a brand name classic watch (Patek, Lange, AP, VC, Rolex and Cartier). I went Lange. Although, it seems the "Nomos Tangente Glasboden" is not in that price range. You might want to consider pricing up, if possible, or buying an estate piece / used. This is a special item, and you want it to last. I also agree with Dino - Do not alter the case or the buckle with inscriptions. If you must inscribe something, add it to the inner band (that is easily replaceable).
Best wishes on your new journey!
I think you have mistakenly combined my 2 posts. My post to the engaged couple was only relative to engraving/embossing. My discussion about "Big name brands" was in response to Journeyman's discussion about SF's choosing watches from brands that are owned by big companies.
Originally Posted by dlm4114
I think Audemars and Patek are still independently owned, too.
Yes, they are. Actually, AP is the only company that is still owned by owned by family of the founders.
Originally Posted by PapaRubbery
Embossing the strap does seem a less permanent solution to personalising.
I know JC Randell - outside of our budget I'm afraid.
Thanks for the congrats! I'm very lucky!
Cheers for the congrats. She's wonderful; I'm very happy. She's definitely marrying beneath herself. Her loss! Haha.
I know Nomos isn't as big name as the other brands mentioned, but I think it provides a fantastic watch for the price point. I can't find anything similar in design for the money, and I've actually handed it and was very impressed. I tried on other watches of similar style, and didn't think that they commanded the price difference - especially for an entry level dress watch.
Thanks for the post. Much appreciated!
Got a good laugh about her marrying beneath herself. Congrats to both of you. Nomos is a good solid brand. I'm sure it will being you many years of happiness. Wishing you all the best.
Originally Posted by Journeyman
I know it's a generalisation, but it is nonetheless interesting to see how some on SF fetishize the purchasing of clothing from small, independent ateliers and pay many thousands of dollars for the privilege (plus having to wait for a very long time to receive the clothing, in some cases), but when it comes to watches, they stick firmly to tried-and-true, large and well-known brands.
Of course, I do understand that watches are not precisely the same as clothes and I certainly take Dino's point that it can be much easier to get parts for watches from large companies, and that resale value is also much more consistent. People are much more likely to resell a watch than a pair of Ambrosi trousers!
I guess I see clothing and watches as so different, that its difficult to make any direct comparison in how people choose them. Sure I think people strive to purchase quality with each, and some people like products from smaller companies that they perceive as offering greater exclusivity, while others prefer to deal with known entities. I don't think either choice is wrong, its simply how risk averse we may be.
I learned a long time ago, you can spend a tremendous sum of money on the finest suit. If it brings you enjoyment, its great quality, you enjoyed the shopping experience, and you feel good wearing it that is what matters. However, once they cut the sleeves and pants to your size, particularly if you are short, it limits who could purchase it after you and to be honest...its just not worth very much to a subsequent buyer. It can also easily get stained, torn, or if its not something classic in style, it could be out of style in a few years. So when we buy fine clothing, we expect its just for our personal enjoyment and there really is very little value beyond that. I don't think I've met many people that say, I hope someday my son and grandson will wear these trousers.
When people spend a lot of money on watches, many people hope it is something that will last a lifetime. That it is something that can be passed down to our future generations. They hope it is something that will at least retain a good amount of its value (or if luck lends a hand it may even appreciate in value some day). However, to do these things, the watch must be functional, it must be something that can be serviced, and something that parts are available for or could be made if necessary. Hence it seems natural that many people would turn to established companies and companies with significant financial backing to ensure that parts, service, and resale value will still be there many years from now. Yes, a very gifted watch maker may be able to make parts for an old, IMHO, I would much rather have Patek, AP, VC etc source or make parts and do work on my watch rather than someone who is essentially an aftermarket person. To me its part of keeping the watch as original as possible and having only Patek, AP, VC parts. A former VC forum moderator bought a vintage VC, it needed restoration and its dial was no good. They helped track down a NOS dial that was 50-60 years old at a very old VC service center, in a foreign country. I highly doubt some clothing company will need to, or is going to help a person find a period correct zipper for a pair of pants.
The above is just my 2 cents on why you see a difference in the sizes and types of companies people buy clothing from vs. watches.
Originally Posted by mimo
That's a great find. I think Dino's arguments about independents are definitely sound, but when you can pick up something like that relatively cheaply, from a company that's now been in business a while, and that uses a lot of generic parts, the risk seems negligible. Anyway, congratulations, I love it.
If someone can find a relatively reasonably priced watch from an independent, and they like the design, I say why not go for it. Choices are often limited in the lower price ranges and if you can get something interesting, you don't have much money tied up in it, and the quality is pretty good, it might be a nice choice for you. Its when someone starts spending a lot of money on an independent that I start to wonder if that is such a great purchase. We all have different taste, but sometimes I see people purchase something for the sake of being different (which is fine), but there is a big difference between buying something that is different and buying something that is better. I've seen some nice watches from independents, and they can be quite creative at times, but when I've looked at some of the details they are sometimes not as finely finished as pieces I've seen from say PP, Lange, AP etc.
Originally Posted by mimo
I think there's maybe a sweet spot of value versus the size of the company. RGM and Nomos, both mentioned in this context above, are not something new and unpredictable either. They both now seem like established makers with their own loyal customers and following, and fall at the lower end of the "proper" watch market in terms of price, too. So what's to lose?
As for the fashion brands, or re-invented brands like Perrelet, they are just not happening for me unless they are offering something truly original. No doubt that's why they are so heavily discounted: I just looked at a retrograde hour regulator from Perrelet just as a novelty. Apart from being rather cheap looking, it's listed at over 9k, which is insane considering what that could buy. It took all of thirty seconds to find it online at 60 per cent off. No need to ask why.
RGM and Nomos are both very good brands. I can easily see how they appeal to many people as they are relatively affordable for what they are offering.
As for "Re-invented brands" like Perrelet, I just don't think of them as anything significant or authentic. Brands like Perrelet and Graham really have nothing to do with their namesakes. They are merely marketing ploys using names from the past to create history and mystique for what are actually new brands. There are enough really good offerings from other brands that have actual history and have made significant contributions to the watch world.