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NS - great pic. happy bday to mrs NS!
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Spot on Stitchy!!!  fistbump.gif

smile.gif my man!
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has anyone else noticed the chopard watch ads on the side of SF? seems they are joining the ranks of those offering their watches for sale direct online. models up to 60k i think can be purchased from the website.
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Sorry, but I'm just not very impressed with what to me appears to be modified Sky Moon Tourbillon.  Also the engraving all over the watch looks very cheesy and over stylized.  When something is so complicated I don't need the case to be over the top and tacky (actually I don't need anything that is tacky).  I'm sure someone will buy it as their are enough crazy collectors out there that will want a 1 off or very limited production piece, but that watch wouldn't remotely interest me.  I would rather have a few vintage Pateks that are probably less expensive but truly special and beautiful.  Vintage Pateks were meant to be worn, now these modern very rare pieces are just intended for publicity and eventually end up in someones safe.  

I agree with this, at least from the prism of evaluating this piece as a watch you'd wear. Patek introduced some intricately engraved cases this year that impress me with its detail - but do absolutely nothing for me when it comes to wearability. Dino944, we've spoken about the 5059 and 5159 before - but compare the wearability of those pieces with its newest sibling, the 5160. The case is, as you said, overstylized. The analogy isn't perfect, but I feel the same way about intricately engraved enamel plates. I can appreciate the workmanship and what I'm sure was a painstaking production process (the 6002's blue enamel dial can't have been easy to make), but would I ever enjoy a delicious pasta dish eaten off said plate? Hell, no.

For me the only way I can appreciate the 6002 is as an "abstract" work of art, tough to engineer and produce but divorced from its (supposed) function as a wristwatch. That don't look like no wristwatch I'd wear.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Sorry, but I'm just not very impressed with what to me appears to be modified Sky Moon Tourbillon.  Also the engraving all over the watch looks very cheesy and over stylized.  When something is so complicated I don't need the case to be over the top and tacky (actually I don't need anything that is tacky).  I'm sure someone will buy it as their are enough crazy collectors out there that will want a 1 off or very limited production piece, but that watch wouldn't remotely interest me.  I would rather have a few vintage Pateks that are probably less expensive but truly special and beautiful.  Vintage Pateks were meant to be worn, now these modern very rare pieces are just intended for publicity and eventually end up in someones safe.  

I agree with this, at least from the prism of evaluating this piece as a watch you'd wear. Patek introduced some intricately engraved cases this year that impress me with its detail - but do absolutely nothing for me when it comes to wearability. Dino944, we've spoken about the 5059 and 5159 before - but compare the wearability of those pieces with its newest sibling, the 5160. The case is, as you said, overstylized. The analogy isn't perfect, but I feel the same way about intricately engraved enamel plates. I can appreciate the workmanship and what I'm sure was a painstaking production process (the 6002's blue enamel dial can't have been easy to make), but would I ever enjoy a delicious pasta dish eaten off said plate? Hell, no.

For me the only way I can appreciate the 6002 is as an "abstract" work of art, tough to engineer and produce but divorced from its (supposed) function as a wristwatch. That don't look like no wristwatch I'd wear.
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Dafaq triple post. Sorry about that. I blame it on my blackberry and a spotty connection here in Charleston!
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Obligatory wrist shot...

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Dafaq triple post. Sorry about that. I blame it on my blackberry and a spotty connection here in Charleston!

Thanks Frills, I was beginning to think I must have really gotten under your skin for you to repeated post a response to my rather basic post.  

 

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I agree with this, at least from the prism of evaluating this piece as a watch you'd wear. Patek introduced some intricately engraved cases this year that impress me with its detail - but do absolutely nothing for me when it comes to wearability. Dino944, we've spoken about the 5059 and 5159 before - but compare the wearability of those pieces with its newest sibling, the 5160. The case is, as you said, overstylized. The analogy isn't perfect, but I feel the same way about intricately engraved enamel plates. I can appreciate the workmanship and what I'm sure was a painstaking production process (the 6002's blue enamel dial can't have been easy to make), but would I ever enjoy a delicious pasta dish eaten off said plate? Hell, no.

For me the only way I can appreciate the 6002 is as an "abstract" work of art, tough to engineer and produce but divorced from its (supposed) function as a wristwatch. That don't look like no wristwatch I'd wear.

 

Frills, I think you have taken a bit of what I said too literally in terms of wearability.  I might find some watches too bulky or too large, making them somewhat uncomfortable for me to wear and of limited use as they either won't fit under a dress shirt cuff, or they bulkiness might make them look less compatible with my wardrobe or sense of style.   I appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into making any beautifully engraved item, be it a watch, a knife, a rifle, or whatever.  I know that engraving or making things such as beautiful enamel cloisonnes (sp?) require incredible talent, patience, and skill. 

 

IMHO, just because something requires a great deal of labor and skill to produce, doesn't mean the end result is a beautiful work of art.  There are probably countless hours spent designing automobiles from beginning to end, and many of them are just plain ugly. 

 

Sadly, I find the 6002 is just an ugly mess.  Yes, lots of engraving, yes the dial probably took a great deal of work (although I don't like Smurf blue), but overall I can't help but think this looks like a watch designed for someone like Liberace, with ridiculously frilly and flamboyant clothing.    

 

I can respect that you appreciate the work that went into making the 6002.  I appreciate the work, just not the end result. 

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Hey Scott, Congrats and thanks for the wrist shot!  Hope you enjoy many great years of wearing it.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Hey Scott, Congrats and thanks for the wrist shot!  Hope you enjoy many great years of wearing it.

this. looks very nice indeed.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Thanks Frills, I was beginning to think I must have really gotten under your skin for you to repeated post a response to my rather basic post.  


Frills, I think you have taken a bit of what I said too literally in terms of wearability.  I might find some watches too bulky or too large, making them somewhat uncomfortable for me to wear and of limited use as they either won't fit under a dress shirt cuff, or they bulkiness might make them look less compatible with my wardrobe or sense of style.   I appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into making any beautifully engraved item, be it a watch, a knife, a rifle, or whatever.  I know that engraving or making things such as beautiful enamel cloisonnes (sp?) require incredible talent, patience, and skill. 

IMHO, just because something requires a great deal of labor and skill to produce, doesn't mean the end result is a beautiful work of art.  There are probably countless hours spent designing automobiles from beginning to end, and many of them are just plain ugly. 

Sadly, I find the 6002 is just an ugly mess.  Yes, lots of engraving, yes the dial probably took a great deal of work (although I don't like Smurf blue), but overall I can't help but think this looks like a watch designed for someone like Liberace, with ridiculously frilly and flamboyant clothing.    

I can respect that you appreciate the work that went into making the 6002.  I appreciate the work, just not the end result. 

Hahaha I love the Liberace reference!

Yeah, I'm thinking I do not like the 5160 either. I can't post pics from where I am, but check it out when you have time. It's basically a more elaborate 5059 or 5159, and I simply don't like the end result. Let me know what you think.
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Obligatory wrist shot...

Cool. I am really eager to hear how you find the legibility of the calendar function. I assume it takes some time to get used to reading.
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Super congrats. This is one of the more interesting pickups I've ever seen

Wanna see more please!


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I APPROVE OF THIS THREAD.
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Cool. I am really eager to hear how you find the legibility of the calendar function. I assume it takes some time to get used to reading.

Actually, I pretty much have it. The date is easy because the hash marks are every five dots, so 2:00 = 5th, 4:00 = 10th, etc. The month I mentally split into two half circles of six dots each so it is easier to calculate. The day of the week is probably the most difficult to read, but I use the top dot as Sunday, so the rest of the circle is split into three days each. Not sure if that all makes sense, but it works for me.
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post


Hahaha I love the Liberace reference!

Yeah, I'm thinking I do not like the 5160 either. I can't post pics from where I am, but check it out when you have time. It's basically a more elaborate 5059 or 5159, and I simply don't like the end result. Let me know what you think.

I'm not a fan of the 5160 either.  All of the engraving reminds me of when people buy an modern piece of jewelry that is intentionally made to look like an antique.  If that is someone's taste so be it, but it just doesn't sit well with me.  Also, I just find all of the engraving very distracting, and I really don't like it on the lugs.  I think the only part that I found acceptable, was the engraving on the clasp (although I'd prefer the old style with the Calatrava Cross).  

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I'm not a fan of the 5160 either.  All of the engraving reminds me of when people buy an modern piece of jewelry that is intentionally made to look like an antique.  If that is someone's taste so be it, but it just doesn't sit well with me.  Also, I just find all of the engraving very distracting, and I really don't like it on the lugs.  I think the only part that I found acceptable, was the engraving on the clasp (although I'd prefer the old style with the Calatrava Cross).  

 


I'm totally with you on this. I'm just not a fan of the engraving and detailing. Here are comparison pics for others to judge for themselves, from http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/patek-philippe-forum/54640.htm:

Patek 5159 case/dial:

5159front03
Patek 5160 case/dial:
5160front06

(Comment: Might just be the picture angle, but check out how the 5160's crown just JUTS out in what for me is an aesthetically unpleasant way, at least compared to the 5159).
Patek 5159 deployant clasp:

5159Clasp-01
Patek 5160 deployant clasp:
5160Clasp01

The final "kick in the head" for me is relative pricing: I already find the 5159's retail prices rather exorbitant ($96,000 to $99,200 depending on the metal). For that kind of money your range of choices for timepieces gets very, very broad. The 5160's retail price is a staggering $160,900 for yellow gold and $163,500 for white gold or rose gold. That's a $60K+ premium for all that extra engraving and detailing... which I personally don't care much for. Whoa.

Personally, I much prefer the 5059 versus these two. Simpler? Sure. "Flatter" looking dial? Yes. But for the very same set of reasons why I find the 5159 and 5160 a bit too ornate for me, I like the simplicity of the 5059.

5059R

Gawd-f*ng-darnit. Did I just convince myself to start hankering for a 5059 again??!???!?
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