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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

Here is a better look at the 38mm vintage Omega, now that I have a new strap on it and have pointed my camera in its general direction.









Beautiful Omega!
I can't wait to get home to this baby that's waiting on me.


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Moloch38 - that would make me hurry home - nice!

post #21033 of 35665
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Pricing and stuff aside, what do you guys think of this piece?

 

 

I hate to say this, because in content and layout it's pretty much perfection.  But it's absolutely fucking hideous.  I dont much love contrast subdials anyway (and I include collectible Daytonas in that!).  The red second hand seems just a tad cheap and obvious.  The strap is an act of Casio-eque ugliness, however beautifully-crafted it might be, and titanium?  Well, titanium's fine, and I'm all for novelty and variety.  But was it so heavy and huge in the first place?  And if you're going to make a "sporty" version, was motherfucking skateboarding the first sport that came to mind?  How about thinking of something like, say, vintage car rallies or tall ships racing, or real tennis or cricket?  Where is the CLASS?!

 

Ugh.  It's like a plastic shoe.  No.

 

Not that I feel strongly about it or anything...-----

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It would be interesting to see that PP without the sub-dials.  I like the black alternating stripes face, the white out rim and the inner rim with the 5-sec increments listed.  Not sure about the watch overall.  Has a lot going on.

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Pricing and stuff aside, what do you guys think of this piece?
There's a rift between the form and the function. Diver's strap on essentially the opposite of a diver's watch = coginitive dissonance.

Also, not a fan of carbon look on anything, although that's one's tolerable if you think of it as just being a textured dial.
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Moloch, 

 

Those are exactly what a dress watch should be, to my eye. Beautiful.

 

I would love to know where a reputable place to pick up vintage Omega would be, I'm concerned with fakes.

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I'm sorry no frills, but that one is hideous.

It's like the bastard lovechild of a Patek and a Hublot Big Bang.

Patek can knock it out of the park when they want to, but some of their recent releases are distinctly underwhelming IMO from a design POV.
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Originally Posted by mer6 View Post

 

No problem!  I bought it in August at the DC Pen Show.  I don't think the dial is original (it may be retouched or even overhauled), but it certainly won my heart.  Under flash/high light you can see a lot of scratches in the plastic crystal, but as you'll see in some of the pictures these scratches are not visible in normal light and use.

 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very cool vintage GP!  Thanks for sharing some photos with us.

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i think it was conceived out of counterfeit battling more than name whorring.

Correct, while it may be a little on the name whoring side, it was originally devised as another step in the battle against counterfeits. 

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

this one was gone as soon as it arrived. click for bigger.


 

One of my favorite Subs!  Doesn't get as much wrist time as it should, but I love it!

 

 

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Originally Posted by Big A View Post

Next, in the spirit of the gmt discussion, here's a GMT Roadster.



A bit louche, but it's a nice sports watch / travel watch alternative for me.

I love the shape of the Roadster, its different from most other sport watches.  I really like their dressier version the Tortue.

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I saw one in person and the blue seemed slightly darker than it looks in that pic. 

Good to know.  As always photos depending on lighting, settings, and monitors can look a bit different in person.  I do wish the center links and lugs were a brushed finish as on previous generations of GMTs, but I really like the new blue black version.

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Interesting piece here, announced recently via TZ.

 

Patek split seconds chronograph.  One of a kind.  In TITANIUM.  With a distinctly sporty (sportier) look than I've ever seen in the more traditional 5004s (even the limited 5004A's in steel with baton markers didn't look like this).

 

 

 

 

Pricing and stuff aside, what do you guys think of this piece?

 

http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6511572&rid=0#msg_6511572

Not a fan at all.  They do many things well, this isn't one of them.  This reminds me of techniques used by less expensive brands to try to make a "limited edition."  Change the color of the large second hand, give it a sporty dial (although it doesn't work IMHO), and give it a sporty strap with contrasted stitching.  The overall starting point was a very elegant grand complication, what they have here is a mess.  I don't like 2 subdials differing in color from the 3rd.  I find the textured dial and textured sporty dive strap very unappealing and disjointed for this watch. I would be curious to see and handle the titanium case in person.  I like Ti and think its very cool for a sports watch...but I'm not sure I'd want it on a Patek.  I think even if they offered it on a Nautilus, I'd probably still rather have the Nautilus in steel. Sure Patek will sell it no problem, as there are collectors who will buy anything Patek, especially if production it extremely limited or if its a 1 off.

 

I am not a fan of the chronograph version of the Nautilus, but it looks far more classy and elegant for a sport watch than this one does.  I made a day trip to NYC the other day, and a guy and his wife both in their 60s both wearing Pateks.  She was wearing a 24 and he had on the Nautilus Chronograph.  Although, I find that too clunky (which is out of character for the Nautilus theme) overall it didn't look bad on the guy.  Still I'd take a 5711 or 5712 over the chrono any day. 

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

 

I hate to say this, because in content and layout it's pretty much perfection.  But it's absolutely fucking hideous.  The red second hand seems just a tad cheap and obvious.  The strap is an act of Casio-eque ugliness, however beautifully-crafted it might be, and titanium?  Well, titanium's fine, and I'm all for novelty and variety.  But was it so heavy and huge in the first place?  And if you're going to make a "sporty" version, was motherfucking skateboarding the first sport that came to mind?  How about thinking of something like, say, vintage car rallies or tall ships racing, or real tennis or cricket?  Where is the CLASS?!

 

Ugh.  It's like a plastic shoe.  No.

 

Not that I feel strongly about it or anything...-----

+1 Spot on Mimo (I agreed with everything other than the Daytona contrasting sub dials...I think they work well on that watch).  I guess this Patek is another watch you and I won't have to fight over in a steel cage match!

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There's a rift between the form and the function. Diver's strap on essentially the opposite of a diver's watch = coginitive dissonance.
 

+1

 

As for carbon fiber - I've always felt "carbon fiber" is a fancy way of saying overpriced ugly plastic.  

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Haha there is no need for apologies, apropos. All of the reactions so far, including yours, Dino's, mimo's and Belligero's, are pretty consistent with my own first reaction upon seeing the piece.

I slept on it, and I still don't like it.

Interesting observation though: in another watch discussion forum of which I'm part, where very large AP ROOs, Hublots etc have a rather large following, they just looooooove this piece.
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Interesting observation though: in another watch discussion forum of which I'm part, where very large AP ROOs, Hublots etc have a rather large following, they just looooooove this piece.

“Bad taste creates many more millionaires than good taste.”

(Charles Bukowski)
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Pricing and stuff aside, what do you guys think of this piece?

 

 

Pretty much agree with all the above. I would love to see more center minute chronos made, but to combine it with everything else on the dial defeats the purpose. It would be interesting however to see how Patek does titanium. Ti is problematic because it scratches easily and has to oxidize to a stable color, which can vary based upon finish. As far as I know only Seiko has gotten titanium right with their Diashield coating. 

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

in another watch discussion forum of which I'm part, where very large AP ROOs, Hublots etc have a rather large following, they just looooooove this piece.

Just goes to show that this thread is frequented by a better class of gentleman/dreamer/obsessive/lunatic (delete as appropriate).

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Just goes to show that this thread is frequented by a better class of gentleman/dreamer/obsessive/lunatic (delete as appropriate).

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Haha there is no need for apologies, apropos. All of the reactions so far, including yours, Dino's, mimo's and Belligero's, are pretty consistent with my own first reaction upon seeing the piece.

I slept on it, and I still don't like it.

Interesting observation though: in another watch discussion forum of which I'm part, where very large AP ROOs, Hublots etc have a rather large following, they just looooooove this piece.

As an AP owner, to me the original RO's are the only ones that are really handsome and worth having.  While not everyone's taste, they are classic, iconic and started an entire genre of sports watches.  

 

As fore ROO's and their owners, well I've never understood them.  Big, clunky, bloated versions of an original Genta classic, just don't do anything for me.  I think of most giant sized ROO's (and other similarly sized pieces) are for people that need attention from other people.  They want people to notice they are wearing something the size of a tuna can on their wrists.  How can people not notice something that is ridiculously large, won't fit under a shirt cuff, and frequently has very bright contrasting colors.  Also, I don't understand all the insanity over their "Limited Edition Offshores."  Generally, all they do is is change the color stitching on the strap and the color of the hands and hour markers and people go crazy trying to get one.  Just wait 6 months and another color variation will be out.  However, if AP (and dealers) can get a bunch of people (suckers) to pay MSRP (or more) for watches that hardly seem limited (or special) and merely receive different contrasting color trim...more power to them.  As for Hublot...all of the above applies, except I find them to be worse than AP, as Hublot doesn't even have an original idea.  They just seem to make less attractive copies of Offshores.  If you are going to choose a watch I dislike, at least get the original.

 

So if those are the guys that want and love what might be one of the least attractive and least tasteful Pateks in some years, let them have it.  As Groucho Marx once said, "I don't want to belong to any club that would accept me as member."

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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post

Pretty much agree with all the above. I would love to see more center minute chronos made, but to combine it with everything else on the dial defeats the purpose. It would be interesting however to see how Patek does titanium. Ti is problematic because it scratches easily and has to oxidize to a stable color, which can vary based upon finish. As far as I know only Seiko has gotten titanium right with their Diashield coating. 

The other problem with Titanium is the difficulty in working with it. From what I understand it does not machine well and requires special equipment.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

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As an AP owner, to me the original RO's are the only ones that are really handsome and worth having.  While not everyone's taste, they are classic, iconic and started an entire genre of sports watches.  
As for ROO's and their owners, well I've never understood them.  Big, clunky, bloated versions of an original Genta classic, just don't do anything for me. I think of most giant sized ROO's (and other similarly sized pieces) are for people that need attention from other people.  They want people to notice they are wearing something the size of a tuna can on their wrists.  How can people not notice something that is ridiculously large, won't fit under a shirt cuff, and frequently has very bright contrasting colors. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
 Also, I don't understand all the insanity over their "Limited Edition Offshores."  Generally, all they do is is change the color stitching on the strap and the color of the hands and hour markers and people go crazy trying to get one.  Just wait 6 months and another color variation will be out.  However, if AP (and dealers) can get a bunch of people (suckers) to pay MSRP (or more) for watches that hardly seem limited (or special) and merely receive different contrasting color trim...more power to them.  As for Hublot...all of the above applies, except I find them to be worse than AP, as Hublot doesn't even have an original idea.  They just seem to make less attractive copies of Offshores.  If you are going to choose a watch I dislike, at least get the original.

So if those are the guys that want and love what might be one of the least attractive and least tasteful Pateks in some years, let them have it.  As Groucho Marx once said, "I don't want to belong to any club that would accept me as member."
Agreed 100%. Another thing I don't get about the APROO line is how the same model will cost much more in disaster-waiting-to-happen ceramic and about double in forged carbon glorified plastic. Evidently, there's a market for $30K G-Shocks-without-the-shock-resistance (carbon diver), but I struggle to understand how that's possible. Carbon fiber is great for its intended applications, but watches ain't among them.

The best part is that carbon production is so inherently cheap once the mold is paid for that I think we'll be seeing it as a low-cost replacement for steel and aluminum before too long. I would not be surprised if even crappy department-store mountain bikes started using it for cost reasons within ten years. In the bike world, handbuilt steel and titanium are back big-time in desirability as mass-produced carbon keeps coming down in price. It's not exactly exotic stuff any more.
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