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post #20911 of 33499

Belli - I like that too, and the blue/WG version.  But the plain black Sub is already perfect in my book. :)

post #20912 of 33499
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

 

Dino, you do make sense.  But given there isn't much difference in price between, say, a Datejust and a Milgauss, getting the latter just because you like the look of it doesn't seem at all silly to me.  And after all, the function of a watch at all is questionable these days, when my thirty dollar quartz Sekonda keeps better time than a Patek Philippe, and my ubiquitous Blackberry sets itself to the right time repeatedly and regardless of time zone, without my intervention making even that relatively redundant.  Yet for some reason I am spending money and headaches on repairing a scruffy old mechanical Omega, and even got my Saddam Hussain Rodania cleaned up recently.  Maybe saying "if I were to leave my watch by some magnetic device by accident, it would be protected from harm" is just as relevant as saying "my Submariner is water resistance to 300 metres", and probably more so!  I'm all for brilliantly-engineered theoretical uselessness in the name of art.

 

I agree with you Mimo.  I happen to think water resitance is one of the most over-blown, over-hyped and over-rated aspects of contemporary watches.  Only the most accomplished of divers will ever descend past 50m, but the hype machine has many believing that they need at least 300m of water resistance to safely wash their hands.  And that 600m of water resistance is twice as good!  Given that the hulll crush depth of a nucelar submarine is around 300m, I have a hard time imagining the circusmstance that would expose a watch  to pressure at twice that depth.

 

** Rant off **

 

That said, anti-magnetic properties are valuable and practical.  I have never had a watch implode due to water pressure, but I have had several pieces get magnetized over the years.  There are something like 20 magnets in an i-Pad case alone.  You might not want to have a beloved vintage piece on your wrist while i-Goofing around for too long with one of those.  Yes, the fix is quick and not very costly, but it is a pain in the ass - and the watch is rendered completely useless until it is de-magnetized.

 

As for the GV - I think it's totally cool.  One of the few contemporary Rolex pieces that just hollers "buy me!" quite loudly whenever I see one.

post #20913 of 33499
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

well said as usual, dino.

Thanks Stitchy.  fistbump.gif

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


There's some appeal in the Milgauss' funky looks, and I like the watch — but not enough to get one instead of the sports models, either. I have a colleague who sometimes wears one, and it's cool to see on the wrist. But it's also quite thick and is one of the heaviest steel watches they make due to its double case. That might be another factor in why they tend not to stick around.

However, its raison d'être of magnetic-field resistance has been made obsolete by Rolex's new hairspring, so the functional justification is gone. Have a look at this watchmaker's comparison to see just how immune it is to even a magnet being held directly against the coils:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 


It's obvious why modern watches don't have many problems with getting magnetized compared to older ones with steel hairsprings, as you can see how much less susceptible even a Nivarox spring is. It takes a quite a bit to magnetize one. But Parachrom is completely non-ferrous and just doesn't move at all; any newer Rolex with one inside should be fine even for someone working near MRI equipment. The Faraday cage in the Milgauss seems like just a bit of overkill, so the decision really just comes down to whether someone prefers its looks over the other models.

While the GMT would be my first recommendation from the current range for a person who just wants one quality watch for any situation, if the black Submariner is too plain but the Milgauss GV appeals, then the Sub LV would be worth considering as well. I've spent some more time it recently and there's nothing to fault; it's essentially a perfect watch. The timing bezel provides a useful function, and its feel of operation is like nothing else. The brushed finish is much more practical than the polished surfaces on the GMT and especially the Milgauss, and the clasp is just unbeatable. Definitely worth checking out given what JB said he's after...

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Hi Belligero.  I can certainly understand if someone is drawn to the looks of the Milgauss over another watch, as we all have different opinions regarding design and appearance.  If the Migauss is what really makes the OP smile, then that is the watch he should get.  

 

Although, I haven't seen it in person, the new Blue/Black GMT is currently one my favorite modern Rolex watches.  When I travel, I really like having a watch that can be quickly adjusted to tell time in more than one timezone.  I do wish the lugs and center links were a brushed finish, as on the Sub.  I find brushed finishes give a watch less of a jewelry look and it is better for masking finger prints and small scratches (still that blue/black could eventually be a next Rolex purchase for me).

 

Great video, showing the effects a magnet does or does not have on an old, recent, and modern Rolex movement.  Its nice to know that one can choose any modern Rolex and have no worries about the watch being magnetized.  

 

In the end, Rolex builds a very solid, rugged watches (or in Stitchy's words, its Rolexness) so whatever the OP choose he will have many years of great use and enjoyment from any model he chooses.  

post #20914 of 33499
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

so the decision really just comes down to whether someone prefers its looks over the other models.

that sums it up for me. that is why i am lusting for the milgauss and Blue/Black GMT.
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Exactly so.  So I'll just lust for the black Sub, you get the Milgauss, then we fight over the GMT (unless Dino, inevitably, gets there first!).* :)

 

 

 

*and in the mean time, the OP wonders what the hell he started!

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

 

I agree with you Mimo.  I happen to think water resitance is one of the most over-blown, over-hyped and over-rated aspects of contemporary watches.  Only the most accomplished of divers will ever descend past 50m, but the hype machine has many believing that they need at least 300m of water resistance to safely wash their hands.  And that 600m of water resistance is twice as good!  Given that the hulll crush depth of a nucelar submarine is around 300m, I have a hard time imagining the circusmstance that would expose a watch  to pressure at twice that depth.

 

** Rant off **

 

That said, anti-magnetic properties are valuable and practical.  I have never had a watch implode due to water pressure, but I have had several pieces get magnetized over the years.  There are something like 20 magnets in an i-Pad case alone.  You might not want to have a beloved vintage piece on your wrist while i-Goofing around for too long with one of those.  Yes, the fix is quick and not very costly, but it is a pain in the ass - and the watch is rendered completely useless until it is de-magnetized.

 

As for the GV - I think it's totally cool.  One of the few contemporary Rolex pieces that just hollers "buy me!" quite loudly whenever I see one.

 

Sure 100 m is more than enough water resistance for most people.  Was there a huge need for Rolex to go from 200 m to 300 m with a Sub, probably not.  However, Subs have been water resistant to 300 m for more than 2 decades.  If someone is using a watch for diving, I don't think it is wrong for them to necessarily want the watch to be water resistant to a depth substantially greater than they will be diving to.  In most parts of the US the speed limit is only 65 mph.  If you were buying tires for a BMW, Porsche, or Lotus, even if the car has a top speed of say 150 mph but you don't plan to ever go above 85 mph, when replacing tires would you only choose tires speed rated for 93 mph?    I don't think anyone in this forum believes they need 300 m WR to wash their hands.  

 

As for your need to wear a modern anti-magnetic watch to use your iPad, the video Belligero posted shows that a person can buy any modern Rolex without fear of it becoming magnetized.   My point was never that the GV was a bad watch, just that it doesn't do more than a DJ does.  If it floats your boat, go for it.

post #20918 of 33499
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Exactly so.  So I'll just lust for the black Sub, you get the Milgauss, then we fight over the GMT (unless Dino, inevitably, gets there first!).* :)

 

 

 

*and in the mean time, the OP wonders what the hell he started!

Sounds like it may be a steel cage match to see which of us gets the Blue/Black GMT cheers.gif

post #20919 of 33499
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post

Went looking at watches today and finally put on a Submariner.  It had wrist presence and felt nice on my wrist but two other watches caught my eye more.  First was a green crystal Milgauss.  It had similar wrist presence as the sub but I liked looking at the Milgauss more.  The lightning bolt and colors made me want to just stare at my wrist.  The white face and non-green crystal Milgauss did not captivate me as much but the green crystal added a great touch.  Second was a GMT Master II.  Pretty much the Sub with a different dial and bezel.  Not that I need the second time zone as I can easily calculate that but the little extra color of the green hour hand was nice against the black face.

They did have a Rose Gold Sky Dweller in the case which I thought was just released?   Beautiful in person.  Also stopped by the JLC and IWC case but nothing in my price range excited me. The Big Pilot Top Gun was interesting but a 46mm on my wrist just dwarfs it.  I think the max I would go to is a 44mm.  

Any thoughts on the Milgauss or GMT?  

Did the dial look any cleaner in person. I think the Skydweller movement is incredible and the watch has so much potential, but it just looks a mess with so much junk crowding the dial.
post #20920 of 33499

Look at what I started!  I will have to see the Blue and Black GMT in person before I give that the go but let the fiance know that watch is first, then the GV, then the Green sub.

 

Purchase won't happen until later in the year so I let her know an all black GMT may be hard to find new after the new ones come in.  As for what I will be using the watch for: No diving and no magnets.  I am a spreadsheet jockey as some like to joke.  Also I may snorkel some but like air enough that I won't dive too deep.  

 

Speaking of magnets, what effects do airport procedures have on watches?  I have never worried about my Hamilton Khaki auto at airports but I assume there are a lot of magnets that it may come into contact with.

post #20921 of 33499
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post

Look at what I started!  I will have to see the Blue and Black GMT in person before I give that the go but let the fiance know that watch is first, then the GV, then the Green sub.

 

Purchase won't happen until later in the year so I let her know an all black GMT may be hard to find new after the new ones come in.  As for what I will be using the watch for: No diving and no magnets.  I am a spreadsheet jockey as some like to joke.  Also I may snorkel some but like air enough that I won't dive too deep.  

 

Speaking of magnets, what effects do airport procedures have on watches?  I have never worried about my Hamilton Khaki auto at airports but I assume there are a lot of magnets that it may come into contact with.

 

No worries.  We are like a big family here.  We disagree about things, but we get along because we are all here because we love watches.  

 

The all black GMT will probably not be harder to find after the blue black model arrives.  They will probably remain in production together, just as there are different versions of Subs available.

 

The airport metal detectors, x-rays, or body scans have no effect.  I've worn Rolex watches through each of them and never had a problem, and most of mine were produced before the latest Parachrom springs were being used. Don't over think things just because of us here at SF...we are all a little crazy.  Just enjoy the research and shopping and buy what you like. 

post #20922 of 33499
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

No worries.  We are like a big family here.  We disagree about things, but we get along because we are all here because we love watches.  

 

^ Yes.

 

Shot I took this morning of my 3940 in platinum.  Got myself a 30x loupe and could see no visible dents or scratches, aside from very minor hairline swirls at the back of the case from inevitable wear and tear (since I wear it at least once a week) - and only visible using the loupe.  

 

Never polished, serviced once right before I purchased it.  Not bad for a 23 year old watch, huh?  

 

 

 

But there is that nick on the upper right hand corner of the winding box, do you see it???!?  Sooo annoying!

 

Heh heh.  Got to complain about something, right?

 

I wonder if the watch being made of platinum has something to do with it too. My 5040 in yellow gold has more minor hairline swirls than the 3940.

post #20923 of 33499
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

 

Sure 100 m is more than enough water resistance for most people.  Was there a huge need for Rolex to go from 200 m to 300 m with a Sub, probably not.  However, Subs have been water resistant to 300 m for more than 2 decades.  If someone is using a watch for diving, I don't think it is wrong for them to necessarily want the watch to be water resistant to a depth substantially greater than they will be diving to.  In most parts of the US the speed limit is only 65 mph.  If you were buying tires for a BMW, Porsche, or Lotus, even if the car has a top speed of say 150 mph but you don't plan to ever go above 85 mph, when replacing tires would you only choose tires speed rated for 93 mph?    I don't think anyone in this forum believes they need 300 m WR to wash their hands.  

 

As for your need to wear a modern anti-magnetic watch to use your iPad, the video Belligero posted shows that a person can buy any modern Rolex without fear of it becoming magnetized.   My point was never that the GV was a bad watch, just that it doesn't do more than a DJ does.  If it floats your boat, go for it.

My comment about the comparative practical significance of water resistance and anti-magnetism was not restricted to Rolex watches.  Yes, many of their watches use amagnetic hairsprings - as do many Omegas - but this is hardly an industry standard.  This risk of harmful exposure to magnetism is far more of a an actual daily risk than exposure to pressure at extreme depths. 

 

You can drive your Porsche at 150mph.  You cannot descend to 600m and live.  Big difference.  At a depth of 50m, a 600m rated watch isn't any more water resistant than a 200m rated watch. 

 

I'm not sure who it was that suggested it was "wrong" to purchase a watch with a water reistance rating that far exceeds the parameters of its likely use, but it wasn't me.  Heck, it's not "wrong" to buy a dive watch and never get it wet. Buy what you like for whatever reason makes you happy.  My comment was on the practical benefits of anti-magnetism as compared with extreme depth water resistance in the world of watches that exists outside the confines of the Rolex universe.

post #20924 of 33499
looks great, frills.
post #20925 of 33499

Gorgeous, Frilly.  You may be a madman, but you're a happy madman.  I salute that. :)

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