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post #20731 of 34021
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Originally Posted by suaviter View Post

 

Go on ....

 

(I just want one with an open caseback that shows off the awesome movement.)

I don't know of a model (outside of maybe one of the numerous limited editions) that uses a plastic crystal but still offers a sapphire display back, but then again I am no Speedmaster expert, and I prefer a sapphire front crystal in any event.

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They made the hesalite sandwich speedmaster for quite some time. Hesalite on the front with a sapphire display back. They are pretty easy to pick up on the second hand market.
post #20733 of 34021
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

I don't know of a model (outside of maybe one of the numerous limited editions) that uses a plastic crystal but still offers a sapphire display back, but then again I am no Speedmaster expert, and I prefer a sapphire front crystal in any event.

 

Me too. Yes, doesn't remain true to the original, but sapphire crystal is just not as easily scratchable (although hesalite scratches can apparently be polished out pretty easily). As discussed in this forum a few (hundred?) pages ago, hesalite was essential to the original purpose since it doesn't shatter - sapphire crystal shatters and that would not exactly be good in zero gravity. But since I have no plans to go to the moon or wear a timepiece in zero gravity anytime soon I'd like the scratch proof benefits of the sapphire crystal. Just my personal preference.
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

Me too. Yes, doesn't remain true to the original, but sapphire crystal is just not as easily scratchable (although hesalite scratches can apparently be polished out pretty easily). As discussed in this forum a few (hundred?) pages ago, hesalite was essential to the original purpose since it doesn't shatter - sapphire crystal shatters and that would not exactly be good in zero gravity.But since I have no plans to go to the moon or wear a timepiece in zero gravity anytime soon I'd like the scratch proof benefits of the sapphire crystal. Just my personal preference.

 

I have been a certified watch nut since circa 1991.  Since then I have managed to shatter a sum total of exactly zero sapphire crystals.  But I have scratched plenty of plastic crystals. So I am with you on scrtach resistance trumping shatter resistance.  I'm not at all sure how "easily scratchable" plus "easily fixable" nets out to a positive in a contemporary sports watch, but people like what they like.  One thing Speedmaster shoppers are not lacking is choice.

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I recommend seeing both in person. There is a wonderful warmth to the hesalite crystal that is hard to describe; and on the other side there is a cold serene look to the sapphire.

 

I know I sound like an idiot, but see for yourself

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Originally Posted by Cylon View Post

I recommend seeing both in person. There is a wonderful warmth to the hesalite crystal that is hard to describe; and on the other side there is a cold serene look to the sapphire.

 

I know I sound like an idiot, but see for yourself

 

You don't sound like an idiot at all! Then again I write stuff like this all the time too... But seriously, there's nothing like actually seeing the watch and putting it on your wrist to settle doubts, questions, etc. Absolutely +1,000 for this advice.
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getting these breitlings ready today.







post #20738 of 34021
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Originally Posted by Cylon View Post

I recommend seeing both in person. There is a wonderful warmth to the hesalite crystal that is hard to describe; and on the other side there is a cold serene look to the sapphire.

 

I know I sound like an idiot, but see for yourself

 

You don't sound like an idiot to me.  But I have seen plenty of plastic crystal Speedy's over the years and never understood the rhapsodizing about their special "warmth" as compared with their sapphire counterparts. In fact, it is pretty much only within the context of the Speeedmaster that I have heard the virtues of plastic crystalsI not only extolled but romanticized.  I suspect if these virtues were more widely held, they would be more widely represented among contemporary watches.

 

I own a number of plastic crystal vintage pieces, and a number of sapphire contemporary pieces. They do look different - as one would expect given the different materials.  I've never really wished that my vintage pieces were sapphire or that my contemporary pieces were plastic.  I absolutely agree that seeing for yourself, wherever possible, is the smartest course of action.

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Late to the party, but I do like those FCs. What's the recommended spot to acquire?

I'm generally a used market guy, and FC's don't pop up often.
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The new in-house offerings are exceptional, considering all that you get. Although I have not handled them in the flesh, the pictures I have seen are quite impressive.

Now, for the caveat. First, FC's PR department really needs to step its game up. Either you are a mall watch, or you are a manufacture. I think they are trying to straddle both markets, and that really causes their image to suffer. It would be like if Nomos suddenly started selling open heart Quartz watches at your local Kay. It just does not look good.

Second, FC's offerings truly lack an identity. Further, they tend to "borrow" their identity from other, more established manufactures.

For example, the moonphase above looks slightly reminiscent of this GP:



I wish that FC worked a little bit on developing themselves and their own identity.

With all that said, in their price range, you really cannot get much better for your money.


I would second that they need to define the direction of the brand better. I'd also say that they need to offer some smaller cases. I quickly gravitated to the brand early on because of the more modest case sizes. That moonphase I'd buy in a heartbeat if it wasn't 42MM. For the record I own 2 of their earlier ('08) offerings and think they are a superb value for the $.

 

As far as them borrowing design elements that's fine by me. They aren't homages that entirely rip off other designs but they take classic elements and incorporate them into watches that I can afford. I can't buy a Breguet but I have 2 FCs!

 

 

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Originally Posted by McWu View Post

Late to the party, but I do like those FCs. What's the recommended spot to acquire?

I'm generally a used market guy, and FC's don't pop up often.

 

I'd say try WUS, just bought a used FC for my girl to wear a few weeks ago. They are hard to find as they aren't a well known but the upside is they're attractively priced when they do come up.


Edited by MZhammer - 5/6/13 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

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I will admit I know next to nothing about this line of Zenith watches, but that actually looks like a fake. Something about it screams... fake.
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Oops - you could be right...
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

..I think thats a slightly better version, but even as someone that loves asymmetric dials or watch cases, this watch just doesn't sit well with me.
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Many thanks - think we're on the same page here, so very helpful.
post #20742 of 34021
Theses FC's are sweet. Will have to store these in the memory bank
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

Very nice, I like this very very much - congratulations!
I will admit I know next to nothing about this line of Zenith watches, but that actually looks like a fake. Something about it screams... fake.
Agreed. Not sure if anyone here noticed their new moonphase - a steal at ~$3,500!! No, that is not a typo!!

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Checking out other options,

Opinions of Fortis watches? Quality? Movement?

Considering Flieger Chronograph (1400$ new) or Flieger b-42s (one with an ivory dial and normal black ones, not chronographs)

The Flieger seems to have mineral glass and not the sapphire. Guessing this can be put in for an extra 30-50 bucks?
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Movements on Fortis non-chronometer are valjoux 7750, maybe with some slight modifications. I think there are nicer watches for the money, but if you have seen them in person and really like them - go for it. I'd still recommend Oris, Hamilton, Stowa and maybe Tutima in that price range.
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The FC made me look at moon phases again. JLC MUT Moon, swoon wink.gif

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