I think so - especially if the font used for "11" basically renders the flipping "irrelevant" (it won't even look like a flip if the 11 looked like this - "II" - as it does in the Patek 3970 and many others).
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I don't know of a model (outside of maybe one of the numerous limited editions) that uses a plastic crystal but still offers a sapphire display back, but then again I am no Speedmaster expert, and I prefer a sapphire front crystal in any event.
Me too. Yes, doesn't remain true to the original, but sapphire crystal is just not as easily scratchable (although hesalite scratches can apparently be polished out pretty easily). As discussed in this forum a few (hundred?) pages ago, hesalite was essential to the original purpose since it doesn't shatter - sapphire crystal shatters and that would not exactly be good in zero gravity. But since I have no plans to go to the moon or wear a timepiece in zero gravity anytime soon I'd like the scratch proof benefits of the sapphire crystal. Just my personal preference.
Me too. Yes, doesn't remain true to the original, but sapphire crystal is just not as easily scratchable (although hesalite scratches can apparently be polished out pretty easily). As discussed in this forum a few (hundred?) pages ago, hesalite was essential to the original purpose since it doesn't shatter - sapphire crystal shatters and that would not exactly be good in zero gravity.But since I have no plans to go to the moon or wear a timepiece in zero gravity anytime soon I'd like the scratch proof benefits of the sapphire crystal. Just my personal preference.
I have been a certified watch nut since circa 1991. Since then I have managed to shatter a sum total of exactly zero sapphire crystals. But I have scratched plenty of plastic crystals. So I am with you on scrtach resistance trumping shatter resistance. I'm not at all sure how "easily scratchable" plus "easily fixable" nets out to a positive in a contemporary sports watch, but people like what they like. One thing Speedmaster shoppers are not lacking is choice.
You don't sound like an idiot at all! Then again I write stuff like this all the time too... But seriously, there's nothing like actually seeing the watch and putting it on your wrist to settle doubts, questions, etc. Absolutely +1,000 for this advice.
You don't sound like an idiot to me. But I have seen plenty of plastic crystal Speedy's over the years and never understood the rhapsodizing about their special "warmth" as compared with their sapphire counterparts. In fact, it is pretty much only within the context of the Speeedmaster that I have heard the virtues of plastic crystalsI not only extolled but romanticized. I suspect if these virtues were more widely held, they would be more widely represented among contemporary watches.
I own a number of plastic crystal vintage pieces, and a number of sapphire contemporary pieces. They do look different - as one would expect given the different materials. I've never really wished that my vintage pieces were sapphire or that my contemporary pieces were plastic. I absolutely agree that seeing for yourself, wherever possible, is the smartest course of action.
The new in-house offerings are exceptional, considering all that you get. Although I have not handled them in the flesh, the pictures I have seen are quite impressive.
Now, for the caveat. First, FC's PR department really needs to step its game up. Either you are a mall watch, or you are a manufacture. I think they are trying to straddle both markets, and that really causes their image to suffer. It would be like if Nomos suddenly started selling open heart Quartz watches at your local Kay. It just does not look good.
Second, FC's offerings truly lack an identity. Further, they tend to "borrow" their identity from other, more established manufactures.
For example, the moonphase above looks slightly reminiscent of this GP:
I wish that FC worked a little bit on developing themselves and their own identity.
With all that said, in their price range, you really cannot get much better for your money.
I would second that they need to define the direction of the brand better. I'd also say that they need to offer some smaller cases. I quickly gravitated to the brand early on because of the more modest case sizes. That moonphase I'd buy in a heartbeat if it wasn't 42MM. For the record I own 2 of their earlier ('08) offerings and think they are a superb value for the $.
As far as them borrowing design elements that's fine by me. They aren't homages that entirely rip off other designs but they take classic elements and incorporate them into watches that I can afford. I can't buy a Breguet but I have 2 FCs!
I'd say try WUS, just bought a used FC for my girl to wear a few weeks ago. They are hard to find as they aren't a well known but the upside is they're attractively priced when they do come up.
Edited by MZhammer - 5/6/13 at 2:15pm
Oops - you could be right...
Many thanks - think we're on the same page here, so very helpful.
Very nice, I like this very very much - congratulations!
I will admit I know next to nothing about this line of Zenith watches, but that actually looks like a fake. Something about it screams... fake.
Agreed. Not sure if anyone here noticed their new moonphase - a steal at ~$3,500!! No, that is not a typo!!
Opinions of Fortis watches? Quality? Movement?
Considering Flieger Chronograph (1400$ new) or Flieger b-42s (one with an ivory dial and normal black ones, not chronographs)
The Flieger seems to have mineral glass and not the sapphire. Guessing this can be put in for an extra 30-50 bucks?