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Wow, that's a beauty Kai. Nice work Stitchy!
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That Lange is beautiful!  There is a lot going on but it is laid out so well it just works!

 

A question for the folks who buy 2nd hand watches.  Do you worry a lot about having the boxes and papers come with the watch?  Part of me says that is a must but the other part of me says I will never sell this watch so why worry about the other items.  I do think really long term and wonder if my kids would like boxes and papers but that is many years away when the youngsters may not even know a good watch when they see it.

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I often buy from collectors and/or from grey market, and B&P are essential in my opinion. Patek, Lange and others will issue certificates of authenticty in the event the original papers are no longer available, and some manufacturers can also confirm matching model, case and movement numbers. This is all part of my typical due diligence prior to pulling the trigger.

FWIW, as watches are such an emotional and subjective passion, I always go into any deal with the assumption that I may eventually sell down the line. B&P would definitely help you in that regard.
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Kai - huge congrats. That watch is just pure amazing. Wear it in good health

Stich - thanks for the awesome pictures (as usual)
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Congrats Kai - that is a truly exceptional piece.  Good camera work stitchy - nice and sharp - and what a beauty!

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I can see why you'd go nuts taking pictures of this.  Honestly, of all the sought-after Langes, the 1 is the..er..one...I love the least.  The Datograph and Langematik are the ones that speak to me, for their complicated symmetry (and the 1815 PC Rattrapante of course...).  Also, I've never liked the idea of city names written all around the dial...

...and yet.  This is the most pleasing Lange 1 I've ever seen.  Maybe it's all the fuss of the text around the dial that somehow evens out the asymmetric subdials, and the little flashes of colour that would cheapen another watch, somehow appear charming on this grand lady.  Looking at this is truly an unexpected delight.  Like seeing the Queen flip the finger.
It's an absolute beauty, Kai, many congratulations!  And it's interesting to hear about the Stitchy VIP service.  When I heard he was a procurer I'm afraid I rather misunderstood initially....
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Wow, that's a beauty Kai. Nice work Stitchy!
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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

Kai - huge congrats. That watch is just pure amazing. Wear it in good health
Stich - thanks for the awesome pictures (as usual)
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Congrats Kai - that is a truly exceptional piece.  Good camera work stitchy - nice and sharp - and what a beauty!
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That Lange is beautiful!  There is a lot going on but it is laid out so well it just works!

thanks for the kind words, fellas!

mimo, what was your misunderstanding?
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A question for the folks who buy 2nd hand watches.  Do you worry a lot about having the boxes and papers come with the watch?  Part of me says that is a must but the other part of me says I will never sell this watch so why worry about the other items.  I do think really long term and wonder if my kids would like boxes and papers but that is many years away when the youngsters may not even know a good watch when they see it.

to me there are 3 components to this.

1. resale

2. people like have them because they are neat

3. assurance that you have the real deal (though sometimes you can still get shafted, and on the other hand, if you know your stuff cold, you dont need box and papers to know if what you are holding is legit.)

each component is more is less important to each person. just a matter of personal preference, once all things are considered imo.
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post

That Lange is beautiful!  There is a lot going on but it is laid out so well it just works!

A question for the folks who buy 2nd hand watches.  Do you worry a lot about having the boxes and papers come with the watch?  Part of me says that is a must but the other part of me says I will never sell this watch so why worry about the other items.  I do think really long term and wonder if my kids would like boxes and papers but that is many years away when the youngsters may not even know a good watch when they see it.

Must*. For papers at least. Not for boxes. By papers I do not just mean the purchase receipt, but also service receipts if available.

I find that the B&P watches often tend to be better maintained overall and in better condition as the owners who tend to keep B&P also to be kinder to their watches. I've found that the owners who throw their B&P away tend to be noobs in general who do bad things to their watches and are blase about upkeep. You also get a genuine idea how long ago the watch was sold (as opposed to made) instead of having to muck about with serial numbers, which is error prone at best. Minor miscellaneous reassuring things with papers include the reassurance that your watch is neither grey market nor stolen. Having the papers dating the watch definitively helps you sort out the real deals from the frankens as well.

*: of course this is all relative to rarity and age. The older the watch the less the importance IMO. If I found a big crown Rolex Sub or Zenith 156D in great condition which checked out without B&P and at a good price, I would pull the trigger, no questions asked. But a Lange 1, a PP 2499, or a IWC 3705? Nope, I would need papers at least.
Edited by apropos - 5/3/13 at 8:19am
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aight! here goes. this watch is one of the most beautiful pieces out there, imho.

i went kinda nuts with the picture taking. this is but a sampling. shog[1].gif

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Nice pictures Stitches.


Fabulous, simply fabulous looking watch.
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Nice pictures Stitches.
Fabulous, simply fabulous looking watch.

thanks, ddd! cheers.gif
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Random thought for the day - I can't believe I don't own a Reverso.

I feel your pain! 

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And an IWC Der Flieger Chronograph with the day in Italian just for appreciation...

One of the last IWC designs that I really like (even with its Val 7750 movement).

 

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Honestly, of all the sought-after Langes, the 1 is the..er..one...I love the least.  The Datograph and Langematik are the ones that speak to me, for their complicated symmetry (and the 1815 PC Rattrapante of course...).  Also, I've never liked the idea of city names written all around the dial...

 

...and yet.  This is the most pleasing Lange 1 I've ever seen.  Maybe it's all the fuss of the text around the dial that somehow evens out the asymmetric subdials. 

Langmatik is nice but doesn't do much for me, as is the Datograph (although I have never cared for its mix of romans, sticks, and Arabics on the dial).  To me, the Lange 1 is their most distinctive and beautiful line of watches.  I can understand your issue regarding its aysemmetry, yet I think there is room for a great asymmetric piece in any collection.  To me there are so many beautiful examples of symetric watches, and after having owned several symetric pieces, I find I gravitate toward asymmetric designs.  I love pieces that are elegant and yet use asymmetry to make a design more whimsical or allow a brand to show its creative side. 

 

I love the Patek 5015 and Lange 1 specifically for their asymmetic dials.  As the bulk of Patek's production are/have been lovely but plain Calatravas, I found the dial of the 5015 really a welcome change from what are at times too predictable from them.  I also love how others such as Cartier, Vacheron, AP and Patek have also used asymmetric cases to add some variety to their lines of time only watches.

 

I didn't always love asymmetric designs, so maybe its an acquired taste.  Keep an open mind and you may surprise yourself some day with a watch that has an asymmetric dial or case. 

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A question for the folks who buy 2nd hand watches.  Do you worry a lot about having the boxes and papers come with the watch?  Part of me says that is a must but the other part of me says I will never sell this watch so why worry about the other items.  I do think really long term and wonder if my kids would like boxes and papers but that is many years away when the youngsters may not even know a good watch when they see it.

You can get archive papers from some brands, which can serve to authenticate a watch, however for me it would go beyond that.  I could never buy a watch that does not have box and papers unless maybe it was a very special piece from say the 1960s or older.  Anything newer than that and I'd have to have box and papers.  I realize you don't wear the box and papers, but I feel like anything less and my watch ownership experience is incomplete.  

 

Others have already touched on resale value.  Although, people say they are never going to sell watch X, sometimes things change and you may eventually need to or want to sell watch X. 

 

I would also caution you that if you are new to fine watches do your homework, particularly if going with a 2nd hand watch.  There are people that sometimes modify a watch to make it resemble a rarer model so they can charge more.  In addition, a redial or relumed watch is generally going to be worth less than a watch with original dial and lum that has lost its glow. 

 

I would never rush into purchasing something 2nd hand.  If you have time constraints, go with a new watch and you will not need to worry about the dial or whether it has all the boxes and papers. 

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I wanted to capture an object that epitomizes the pinnacle of German craftsmanship and tradition.

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So I took pictures of my wife's Steingraeber & Sohne piano. smile.gif

If you look closely, you can also see my new A. Lange & Sohne Lange 1 Timezone in rose gold with silver dial. It's the very latest addition to my collection.

This watch may be one of my favorite watches of all time. I love multi-time zone complications, and the attention to detail and craft on this watch is sweet.
 

 

A big THANK YOU to Style Forum's In Stitches for his good services in procuring the watch for me.

I couldn't be happier. The pictures just don't do this piece justice.


 

Congrats Kai !!!   That's a beauty!  I hope you get many years of good use and enjoyment from it.  Also, nice job Stitchy, on finding it.

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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

I find that the B&P watches often tend to be better maintained overall and in better condition as the owners who tend to keep B&P also to be kinder to their watches. I've found that the owners who throw their B&P away tend to be noobs in general who do bad things to their watches and are blase about upkeep.

+1 Well said !

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I didn't always love asymmetric designs, so maybe its an acquired taste.  Keep an open mind and you may surprise yourself some day with a watch that has an asymmetric dial or case. 

 

 

Oh I quite agree. I just somehow find the Lange 1, in its simplest form, so deliberately asymmetric it feels...contrived.  There are others I like a lot that have struggled to accommodate an odd range of subdial sizes and shapes, for instance, that have a beautiful asymmetric jumble to them.  Some that spring to mind are the Reverso Septantieme above (versus the symmetry of the calendar that follows), the Breguet Classique Complication perpetual calendar, and another JLC that I find delightfully lop-sided and simple - the Master Home Time.  I'm sure there are hundreds, but those are just a couple that I've seen and been drawn too in recent weeks.

 

So I get it.  But I think it's the addition of this muddle of text and colour that makes the asymmetry of the Lange 1 truly make sense.  Anyway, seems we're all agreed that it's a beauty, whatever our reasoning!  My ambition now is to be rich enough to hire Stitchy the Watch Pimp, to find me pretty things.  In  the mean time, I'm enjoying the vicarious living in this thread every day of the week!

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My ambition now is to be rich enough to hire Stitchy the Watch Pimp, to find me pretty things.  In  the mean time, I'm enjoying the vicarious living in this thread every day of the week!


im at the ready. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Nice Pogue, Kai. I'm looking for a chronostop now

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