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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post

Care to let me in on these sources?  Also King Jewelers in where my fiancee's sister when to get a Submariner for her husband.

As to the Panerai comments, I have not seen them in person but love the style of some of them.  When I look at their prices they are generally $10K+

a sub from kings?? either they just started selling them, or maybe it was a special order...when i was there, they said they had no plans of becoming a rolex AD. theres a few places...Barrys Pawn in the ghetto is actually a great place....and honestly at times has the best rolex selection. The guy chicago ron mentioned has decent prices as well, but i cant for the life of me remember his name. Theres also a place next to Corner Music on granny white that stocks a dozen of them. I THINK its called gossage jewelers. I may be wrong though. But these are all used....I personally have no problem buying used...i prefer to buy used over new.
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Frilly, when a dealer sees you coming, he should have you carried down the street on a platinum litter by Tahitian virgins in bikinis, scattering rose petals and saffron in your path and singing "here comes funky Jesus".

 

Or at least offer you coffee.  For the last six months you've been like  a watch dealer's benevolent fund.

 

Thanks for the vicarious joy!  Heck, I'd offer you coffee myself, just for that.  Now show us some more of that PP action, would you?

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^^ mimo, I am happy to oblige. Here is my new "two-tone perpetual calendar dual time split seconds chronograph!" That's right, boys and girls. I've got timepieces from Patek that allows for split seconds chronograph functionality - the ability to time two events simultaneously. No, it's not the 5004 or the 5204. I cannot afford either of those pieces. So, instead, I present my innovative split seconds chronograph - dual face watch, yellow gold and platinum, both with silver dials. For the first event I click the top pusher on the platinum, and for the second event I click the top pusher on the yellow gold. Voila! In fact, this "split seconds chronograph" of mine not only allows me to time two events at the same time... it's also a "perpetual calendar dual time" complication, which allows me to track the time/day/date/moonphase for TWO PLACES IN THE WORLD at the same time! How 'bout that! Not even the 5004 or the 5204 can do that! Heh heh. 3970P_and_J
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^^ i hate you for making me look at those pics. so. fucking. nice. GAHHH.
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double post again. ffffuuuu.gif
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post

Thanks for the suggestions everyone!  Looks like I will be doing more research into which specific Rolex Sub I would like.  

Also DerekS,  I am in Nashville as well.  Any specific stores you recommend?  I live in Green Hills so King Jewelers is right there for Rolex but anywhere else?  I have only lived here a year.

Also what are G&Gs...I feel like I should know this but don't frown.gif
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

no shit?? VERY cool! always nice to meet a neighbor. King Jewlers is a great AD, but they dont carry Rolex. To my knowledge, theres only 1 AD for rolex in the middle TN area and thats Bell Jewelers in Murfreesboro. A few years ago, all the rolex ADs were dropped by rolex here in nashville.

theres a couple places here that i trust for used rolex...which is typically how i buy.

**G&Gs are Gaziano & Girling shoes. highly recommended if youre a shoe guy.

Never realized there were so many Tennesseans on this thread. I used to live in Memphis, and was in Nashville for a little while. I was just in Nashvegas the other weekend, actually.
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

But there are icky stories of dealers who just stopped responding to emails, didn't take me seriously, didn't treat me well - I didn't need capuccino served up to me every time I visited, I just needed 5 to 10 minutes of their time when I visited.  That's not so much, is it?  One guy stopped responding to my emails when I was looking for a 3940J because I asked about trade-in options.  Strange.  

Idiots. That's all I can say about them.

I apparently happen to be blessed with "young" looks. My personal theory is that my (copious) facial fat stretches out all the wrinkles, but anyway the end result is that I still look 5-10 years younger than I actually am to some people. This blessing however, turns into a curse whenever I want to buy a watch, for predictably sad reasons.
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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

Though we've been at it for years in terms of having passion for watches, it really seems like it's taken off as a whole in the last decade, now capturing the public attention and spotlight (as it should!). I have no experience from overseas, but I wonder how different it is in Asia and Europe. For example I'm frequently told by AD's that discounts in the more affluent areas of Asia are non existent, and there's so much money and desire to own precious time pieces, the whole customer service dynamic is different from here in the U.S., where brick and mortar stores may really need to please every customer they can..?

I can comment on Asia, and to a lesser extent, Europe. Experiences were with AD/boutiques in Sweden, Germany, Vienna, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, and Hong Kong.

All of the following strictly IMO:

My experiences in (northern/western) Europe were nearly uniformly good. The sales staff certainly knew their watches. Inside out. Reference numbers, no problem. Movement numbers, no problem. Polite. Service is efficient, but low key and never OTT. Maybe there is a cultural reticence that I suspect Americans/Asians may misinterpret as aloofness? Low key and reserved sort of sums it up for me. I have nothing really bad to say about them.

Asia (specifically SE Asia) on the other hand is a really mixed bag. Full disclosure: I grew up in a mixed East/West cultural milieu, so I'd be interested to hear what others think of my opinions.

Compared to what I characterise very broadly as "western culture", the the dominant culture in asia (which is to say usually really east asian culture):

1. more materialistic,
2. less spontaneous,
3. and more hierarchical.

#1 manifests itself as complacence on the part of the AD/boutiques as their customer flow is essentially guaranteed. Conspicuous consumption is the norm. Locals earning the equivalent of US$1,000/mo will scrimp and save to buy a Rolex/IWC or a LV bag, then take the crowded public transport to work, and return home to shoebox apartments or government housing. I don't know what proportions of cab drivers or entry level office workers wear Rolexes/IWCs or sport LV bags in the US, but it's almost certainly less than the proportion here.

And because demand is high, pricing follows. A lack of discounts and a MSRP higher than Europe sometimes results.

#2 & #3 work out to impact CS in several ways IMO.

You have frontline floor staff who are paid peanuts (due to their low societal rank) selling $$$ things which they may never be able to understand the wider context of. The whole concept of a culture of luxury is lost on them because it is so far removed from their daily existence. How the hell is the guy who lives in a city of 10 million with open sewers, terrible air pollution, and children begging in the streets going to explain to me (and not appear ironic) Le Sentier's environmental consciousness, or understand that maybe I do expect an extra $400 strap gratis with my $200,000 watch?

Frontline staff also cannot take the initiative and make a decision on behalf of the brand - NO way are Asian floor staff going to break out the champagne spontaneously if you're not buying something big first. All decisions must go stepwise through the hierarchy - floor staff must check with the the floor "manager", who in turn is cautious because he is accountable to some other guy. It kills spontaneity, and I suspect this happened in that HKG AL&S example I mentioned earlier. It's certainly happened to me - I had the floor guy in a boutique check something with his manager, who then checked it again with someone else higher up. All I asked for was a bigger discount if I purchased 2 watches at a time.

Some salespeople, particularly ones representing the "better" brands let it all go to their head and become disdainful of potential customers - especially ones who are younger (or look younger), or who do not openly display their wealth. The Richard Mille experience in Singapore was hilarious/awful for that reason. It works both ways - serious customers are sometimes openly dismissive/rude to sales staff, who they consider beneath them. I know this probably happens in the US as well, but I can't help but suspect it's more magnified here - I've seen some really really truly terrible behaviour from some customers that would never be tolerated in Australia occur in asia.

As finally as medtech_expat once mentioned and I can confirm, there are some asians who take pride in paying MSRP to impress upon others their superior position in the hierarchy, which is when price elasticity goes out the window.
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

Stitch and i were talking about this watch yesterday...cant believe i forgot to suggest that. The ingy is an awesome watch. Rugged as hell too. I love the bracelet, but it also looks awesome on a strap..IIRC they did an AMG version on a black kevlar strap that was really sporty looking. Not something i typically like at all but it really looked nice on that.

I think I was openly contemptuous of this watch in the past, and I'll freely admit that I was wrong - it's a great looking watch.
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

Stitch and i were talking about this watch yesterday...cant believe i forgot to suggest that. The ingy is an awesome watch. Rugged as hell too. I love the bracelet, but it also looks awesome on a strap..IIRC they did an AMG version on a black kevlar strap that was really sporty looking. Not something i typically like at all but it really looked nice on that.

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^^i gotta admit, I think specifically because he bought a lange he is entitled to fantastic treatment from lange. These arent $5k watches. hell, if i bought a few 6 figure watches, id expect them to throw me a party at the boutique that resembled a rap video.

The IWC AD in nashville is really great. I went in with zero plan to buy anything and just oogle over some watches...one of the salesmen knew me from the panerai world...They opened a bottle of champagne, gave me a hat, a few hardbound books, a couple magazines....it was like a fucking party. They were fully aware that i was not going to buy anything. But they spent a good 2 hours with me showing me all kinds of watches...taking stuff out of the safe to show, etc. Its not a busy store, but the couple people that did come in were given drinks and shown anything they wanted to see. I really wish i could have bought something, because i think they deserved the business.

yes. i had a similar experience with an AD here. gave me all kinds of JLC swag, shmoozed with me for a hour.... and i know, that if need something, il will always give him a call first. simple reciprocity.
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2...they have a myriad of different lasts...if stitch's fat foot can wear em comfortably...anyone can. wink.gif

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^^ i hate you for making me look at those pics. so. fucking. nice. GAHHH.

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Never realized there were so many Tennesseans on this thread. I used to live in Memphis, and was in Nashville for a little while. I was just in Nashvegas the other weekend, actually.

next time youre here, let me know! Theres a few SFers in nashville that get together every once in awhile.
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hell, if i bought a few 6 figure watches, id expect them to throw me a party at the boutique that resembled a rap video.

Hilarious.

That's basically what mimo is suggesting for frilly I suppose.

If Daisy Buchanan cried over Gatsby's shirts, what would she do over frillenstein's watch collection?
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Originally Posted by Keith T View Post

Hilarious.


If Daisy Buchanan cried over Gatsby's shirts, what would she do over frillenstein's watch collection?

a patek bukkake?
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I'm too damn curious NOT to ask for some examples please!

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Originally Posted by apropos View Post


It works both ways - serious customers are sometimes openly dismissive/rude to sales staff, who they consider beneath them. I know this probably happens in the US as well, but I can't help but suspect it's more magnified here - I've seen some really really truly terrible behaviour from some customers that would never be tolerated in Australia occur in asia.
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regarding the ALS strap story that apropos related, i think it boils down to a few things. as a person who has worked most of my career in sales or sales related positions, in the jewelry industry and others, and both in sales and managerial roles, the onus in my opinion falls on a both parties a little bit.

the customer: i dont know the whole story, but this is what it seems to me. i know everyone wants to hope that because they are a baller people will insta-recognize them without them having to say a word. but i hate to break it to ya, thats not reality. even a-list celebrities sometimes get turned away because they are not recognized. sure, this guy bought a very significant amount of high figure pieces, but guess what, lange makes expensive watches, and i bet there are many customers that spend like he does. and if he did not buy them in that boutique, its highly unlikely that anyone would know that he is a major customer, for all they know he got the watch on ebay.

and lets be honest, the guy is not a fool, he knew he was asking for something a little special. what he should have done, imo, to avoid that, would be to politely walk over to a sales person and either right off ask for a manager, or just put all the cards on the table. hi, my name is so and so, i have been a customer for a long time and have purchased x,y,z.... watches from ADs. i recently bought this strap here and i realize i dont really love it, it was only worn a few times, would it be possible to swap it out for another? i can almost assure you, had he done that, the outcome would have been significantly different.

now, for all i know he said all that, and did just that, but based on the result and what i read, i am confident that he probably just walked in, said hi please exchange this. the salesperson said no, because that is probably their standard policy, and yes all companies need policies or people will abuse them. and he said ok and walked out all mad that they did not recognize him and service him as he deserved. many many issues in these types of situations break down to poor communication. dont wait for people to figure out who you are, just tell them. it saves everyone a lot of aggravation and time. if i am wrong and he did that and was still turned away, whoever made that call is a moron and should be fired.

the salesperson: the hiring process for most of these sales postions is pretty simple, be pretty or handsome and well enough spoken or charismatic, and we will teach you enough product info so you can reasonably sell. many of them dont have much interest in upward mobility, they want to put in their hours, get their commissions (if there are any) and go home and take vacation. very run of the mill wage employees.

for such a person, when a customer walks in out of the blue that you dont know has bought through authorized channels, and asks for a favor, they pick up their head, and politely (hopefully) say, no i am sorry we can not do that. and then they wait for something more exciting to happen or for a smoke break.

a better sales person would have realized that something more might be as stake, asked a few questions to get the whole picture, and then said, let me ask my manager. the manager would have said yes, and everyone would be happy. but, not all sales people are astute like that, and its kind of a pity.

however, the only way to truly fix that, is to hire better people. and better people cost more money. and with all the growth these companies are experiencing that can add up fast. and guess where that cost goes? thats right, right into the price of the watches. because that is business. sure, it would be nice if every company could only employ top notch amazing sales people, but that is just not the reality. that being the case, know that going in, and say what you have to say, dont leave any guess work. and if the person you first speak to is not getting it done, ask someone else.

just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

regarding the ALS strap story that apropos related, i think it boils down to a few things. as a person who has worked most of my career in sales or sales related positions, in the jewelry industry and others, and both in sales and managerial roles, the onus in my opinion falls on a both parties a little bit.

the customer: i dont know the whole story, but this is what it seems to me. i know everyone wants to hope that because they are a baller people will insta-recognize them without them having to say a word. but i hate to break it to ya, thats not reality. even a-list celebrities sometimes get turned away because they are not recognized. sure, this guy bought a very significant amount of high figure pieces, but guess what, lange makes expensive watches, and i bet there are many customers that spend like he does. and if he did not buy them in that boutique, its highly unlikely that anyone would know that he is a major customer, for all they know he got the watch on ebay.

and lets be honest, the guy is not a fool, he knew he was asking for something a little special. what he should have done, imo, to avoid that, would be to politely walk over to a sales person and either right off ask for a manager, or just put all the cards on the table. hi, my name is so and so, i have been a customer for a long time and have purchased x,y,z.... watches from ADs. i recently bought this strap here and i realize i dont really love it, it was only worn a few times, would it be possible to swap it out for another? i can almost assure you, had he done that, the outcome would have been significantly different.

now, for all i know he said all that, and did just that, but based on the result and what i read, i am confident that he probably just walked in, said hi please exchange this. the salesperson said no, because that is probably their standard policy, and yes all companies need policies or people will abuse them. and he said ok and walked out all mad that they did not recognize him and service him as he deserved. many many issues in these types of situations break down to poor communication. dont wait for people to figure out who you are, just tell them. it saves everyone a lot of aggravation and time. if i am wrong and he did that and was still turned away, whoever made that call is a moron and should be fired.

the salesperson: the hiring process for most of these sales postions is pretty simple, be pretty or handsome and well enough spoken or charismatic, and we will teach you enough product info so you can reasonably sell. many of them dont have much interest in upward mobility, they want to put in their hours, get their commissions (if there are any) and go home and take vacation. very run of the mill wage employees.

for such a person, when a customer walks in out of the blue that you dont know has bought through authorized channels, and asks for a favor, they pick up their head, and politely (hopefully) say, no i am sorry we can not do that. and then they wait for something more exciting to happen or for a smoke break.

a better sales person would have realized that something more might be as stake, asked a few questions to get the whole picture, and then said, let me ask my manager. the manager would have said yes, and everyone would be happy. but, not all sales people are astute like that, and its kind of a pity.

however, the only way to truly fix that, is to hire better people. and better people cost more money. and with all the growth these companies are experiencing that can add up fast. and guess where that cost goes? thats right, right into the price of the watches. because that is business. sure, it would be nice if every company could only employ top notch amazing sales people, but that is just not the reality. that being the case, know that going in, and say what you have to say, dont leave any guess work. and if the person you first speak to is not getting it done, ask someone else.

just my opinion.

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Well, I don't expect half-literate rednecks to read that, silly.

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