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Originally Posted by Kid Nickels View Post

That is a guy named Johnny whose shop is coincidentally right across the hall from Peter Lee in TST. The "shop" is really just his collection in which he sits all day chilling, smoking cigs and drinking tea. He sells something if he feels like it. I used to hang out there when I was getting stuff made at Peter's and just talk watches, learn from him and watch as he tinkered and played with his toys!

more pix of his shop.... it's SO cool...







I don't know anything about this watch but I really dig it...

AppleMark

Very cool - anyone deets on this watch?
post #20462 of 33946
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

I believe it comes right in at $10k. Usually you can get 15% off of ADs with JLC too.

not only are you correct, i am a retard. the MSRP is less on the chrono than on the memovox tributes by over a grand.
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

hate to be that guy, but a rolex GMT IIc or the ceramic submariner. out of all the dozens of watches ive owned, these are some of my favorites. they hold value better, and are just all around great watches and like has been said...well under 10K. buy the rolex and a pair of G&Gs and still have some cash left over for a few shirts or ties. WIN!

you dont hate it, you cherish being THAT guy. wink.gif

while i agree that those are both great watches and would happy to have them, considering this is a wedding gift, i dont think how well they hold their value will be a big factor. i dont imagine he plans on selling this wedding gift. but either way, they are great options and no reason not to go with them if that is what appeals most.

and i would definitely say to get GGs regardless of what watch is chosen. devil.gif
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

not only are you correct, i am a retard. the MSRP is less on the chrono than on the memovox tributes by over a grand.
you dont hate it, you cherish being THAT guy. wink.gif

while i agree that those are both great watches and would happy to have them, considering this is a wedding gift, i dont think how well they hold their value will be a big factor. i dont imagine he plans on selling this wedding gift. but either way, they are great options and no reason not to go with them if that is what appeals most.

and i would definitely say to get GGs regardless of what watch is chosen. devil.gif

we know. wink.gif

the memovox reissue is a stellar watch for sure...if it were priced a tad lower, it would be a much stronger contender for me.
post #20464 of 33946
Clearly I need some new in-laws. And in order for that to happen, I would also require a new fiance.

Never mind.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post
and i would definitely say to get GGs regardless of what watch is chosen. devil.gif

 

I have repeatedly followed this advice in my own life and I must say I am a pretty happy man.

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after posting pix of the "Little Shop of Horrifically Cool Watches" I've received a bunch of PMs concerning the shop so... here it is
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

please don't all call at once! happy.gif

and FYI... he doesn't update his website very often so if you are really looking for something, I would email him. Had I had the funds last time I was there I would have scored my JLC Reverso for quite a deal!

One last thing... ChicagoRon and I have determined that the grumpy, not nice guy who occasionally works there is a curly-haired white dude. John is the guy in my pic who is a very cool and almost-always-willing-to-chat-about-watches, middle-aged Asian guy... just so you know... talk to John!
post #20467 of 33946
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Originally Posted by TheTukker View Post

Very cool - anyone deets on this watch?

it is by "Cler Watch" although I know nothing about them. It has that very cool scalloped, border around the face... and tho the colors are not great in the pic, very nice patina and the sub-seconds hand is cobalt blue. as a casual weekender, I really loved it... should have grabbed it. I think he wanted about $650 USD but not having any info I was at a loss.
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

we know. wink.gif
the memovox reissue is a stellar watch for sure...if it were priced a tad lower, it would be a much stronger contender for me.

everyone knows. smile.gif

ah, i see, so buy it for me then!
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Originally Posted by Keith T View Post

Clearly I need some new in-laws. And in order for that to happen, I would also require a new fiance.
Never mind.

laugh.gif wise choice.
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

I have repeatedly followed this advice in my own life and I must say I am a pretty happy man.

fing02[1].gif good man.
post #20469 of 33946
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post

So I was told by my fiance to give her some watch ideas for a wedding gift for me.  Budget is $10K.  I really like the dive watch style and the fact they they are rugged so some scratches will only add character.  A nicer dress watch is in the cards but I feel I would not wear it daily.  

So far my ideas are:
Omega Planet Ocean - Black dial, gray bezel, 42mm
Rolex Submariner - undecided on color
What other dive watches are on this caliber?  I feel like I have went through a ton and none pique my interest.

Now I told her I like the 2nd hand market idea which would put a Rolex Deepsea or a IWC Portuguese Auto (though not a dive watch).  I love the look of 70s sub with the patina and yellowish lume but she thinks they are too old plus she wants to see it in person.

Any ideas or pointers would be great!

jbarwick,

The Rolex Submariner is always a good option. Consider the 5513 - a vintage one without WG dial marker surrounds in great condition with box and papers is easily doable at $10k.

Stitchy's suggestion of the JLC Memovox TT Deep Sea is an excellent recommendation.

If I may, I'd like to add on the IWC Ingenieur ref 3227. Not strictly a "dive watch" but a good option in the rugged style you like.



Here's a link to one that's NOS: http://www.chrono24.com/en/iwc/ingenieur--automatic-amg--id2371374.htm?dosearch=true&goal_didYouMean=1&query=iwc+ingenieur+322701&dosearch=true&urlSubpath=/search/index.htm
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Yeah, if you want a diver watch you can't go wrong with the Rolex Sub. Though personally I prefer vintage.


I love my Rolex 1680, but that's due to it being the model I ideated on when I was a kid (along with the Omega PloProf, but that's not a practical watch for daily wear). If the new one turns you on that's the one to go with.
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There is an interesting thread on the PuristsPro A. Lange & Sohne subforum right now.

In a nutshell this guy has more than a few 6 (yes, six) figure Langes which he purchased from various ADs (but not the boutique).

He goes to the official boutique in his country to purchase an OEM strap, which he then decides he does not like after a week. He goes back in, and asks for a swap and is outright refused. No checking, no discussion, just refused. He feels slightly indignant, given all the Lange ad copy about being purchasers being part of a family, and because he is a good customer, albeit one which the boutique may not know about. However the boutique should know about him, given they invite him to Lange events... after all, if inviting someone out for a $400 dinner is somehow considered a good investment in future sales, why not a $400 strap? And especially as these Lange events are usually small - limited to 30-50 customers.

It raises some interesting questions about what salesmanship is, and how it does (or does not) keep pace with ad copy. We're entering a period where the Swiss watch industry - mostly under the aegis of luxury conglomerates - is growing at unprecedented speed, where monobrand boutiques are mushrooming everywhere, a situation where even the dead (Perrelet, etc) brands are coming back to life, and where previously dead brands (Breguet, AL&S) are now definitely alive and kicking. Has the aftersales service kept pace?

My take? My initial reaction was "you entitled SOB", but on deeper reflection I now think a smart boutique manager would have swapped the strap, no questions asked. What is a $400 strap to a multimillion $ customer? You burn $10,000 holding a private event for good customers, and you want to quibble over a $400 strap? Even if I purchase an iPad from Circuit City, I can walk into an Apple Store anywhere in the world and be assisted, or have exchanges done with no question - shouldn't AL&S go one step further?

I am a small timer but I think a recent CS experience I had was an example of a good one - my Rouge (last Rouge anecdote, promise) was not purchased in Singapore (where I first saw it in the flesh) because its Singapore MSRP is $3000 (yes, three thousand) above MSRP elsewhere (Asians love their red, apparently). Nor could it be purchased where I live (Australia) as we don't have a JLC boutique. The Australia ADs were worse than useless when it came to trying to source a Rouge, with one telling me emphatically the model didn't exist.

So I had to get it shipped in from overseas. I contacted an AD in Switzerland who has links to the JLC boutique there. He had a Rouge that was loaned (!) to a good customer who decided he didn't want it after a couple of weeks. So it had a month or so out of its 2 year warranty. It was offered at a good discount too (remember this is a boutique only model, so no discount is normal), so I went for it. It arrived and was - as stated - basically NIB.

But the guarantee card had non-matching serial numbers!

This was bad. Remember I had just purchased a near new but essentially still second hand boutique-only watch from an AD, so in a sense I was SOL when it comes to things like this. The AD contacted JLC Switzerland, and not only did they replace the wrong warranty card, they sent it to me Express at their expense, contacted me personally to apologise, and then took pains to follow up with me to check that everything was alright. It may not be much, but it left me feeling good about the company. I may just have been a lowly small timer purchasing a simple Reverso, but I felt I mattered as much as a Spherotourbillon sporting big timer. That goodwill is, IMO, priceless.
Edited by apropos - 5/1/13 at 1:33am
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Be kind, one of the cheaper in the collection, but my favorite for the weekends

 

 

 

 

 

post #20473 of 33946
I don't need to be kind - I love Hamilton and Oris for variety / weekend wear. And that one is really nice, although I personally have never loved the riveted pilot style straps, the watch is really well laid out.
post #20474 of 33946
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

I don't need to be kind - I love Hamilton and Oris for variety / weekend wear. And that one is really nice, although I personally have never loved the riveted pilot style straps, the watch is really well laid out.

 

A greed with the sentiment - but I like the rivets on a big sporty piece like this - nice!  I've owned a number of Hamiltons over the years and they have always served me well.

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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

There is an interesting thread on the PuristsPro A. Lange & Sohne subforum right now.

In a nutshell this guy has more than a few 6 (yes, six) figure Langes which he purchased from various ADs (but not the boutique).

He goes to the official boutique in his country to purchase an OEM strap, which he then decides he does not like after a week. He goes back in, and asks for a swap and is outright refused. No checking, no discussion, just refused. He feels slightly indignant, given all the Lange ad copy about being purchasers being part of a family, and because he is a good customer, albeit one which the boutique may not know about. However the boutique should know about him, given they invite him to Lange events... after all, if inviting someone out for a $400 dinner is somehow considered a good investment in future sales, why not a $400 strap? And especially as these Lange events are usually small - limited to 30-50 customers.

It raises some interesting questions about what salesmanship is, and how it does (or does not) keep pace with ad copy. We're entering a period where the Swiss watch industry - mostly under the aegis of luxury conglomerates - is growing at unprecedented speed, where monobrand boutiques are mushrooming everywhere, a situation where even the dead (Perrelet, etc) brands are coming back to life, and where previously dead brands (Breguet, AL&S) are now definitely alive and kicking. Has the aftersales service kept pace?

My take? My initial reaction was "you entitled SOB", but on deeper reflection I now think a smart boutique manager would have swapped the strap, no questions asked. What is a $400 strap to a multimillion $ customer? You burn $10,000 holding a private event for good customers, and you want to quibble over a $400 strap? Even if I purchase an iPad from Circuit City, I can walk into an Apple Store anywhere in the world and be assisted, or have exchanges done with no question - shouldn't AL&S go one step further?

I am a small timer but I think a recent CS experience I had was an example of a good one - my Rouge (last Rouge anecdote, promise) was not purchased in Singapore (where I first saw it in the flesh) because its Singapore MSRP is $3000 (yes, three thousand) above MSRP elsewhere (Asians love their red, apparently). Nor could it be purchased where I live (Australia) as we don't have a JLC boutique. The Australia ADs were worse than useless when it came to trying to source a Rouge, with one telling me emphatically the model didn't exist.

So I had to get it shipped in from overseas. I contacted an AD in Switzerland who has links to the JLC boutique there. He had a Rouge that was loaned (!) to a good customer who decided he didn't want it after a couple of weeks. So it had a month or so out of its 2 year warranty. It was offered at a good discount too (remember this is a boutique only model, so no discount is normal), so I went for it. It arrived and was - as stated - basically NIB.

But the guarantee card had non-matching serial numbers!

This was bad. Remember I had just purchased a near new but essentially still second hand boutique-only watch from an AD, so in a sense I was SOL when it comes to things like this. The AD contacted JLC Switzerland, and not only did they replace the wrong warranty card, they sent it to me Express at their expense, contacted me personally to apologise, and then took pains to follow up with me to check that everything was alright. It may not be much, but it left me feeling good about the company. I may just have been a lowly small timer purchasing a simple Reverso, but I felt I mattered as much as a Spherotourbillon sporting big timer. That goodwill is, IMO, priceless.

 

It's the good will that keeps you coming back for new purchases - and the best salesmen have evolved from fleecing customers for short-term profit to really developing long-term relationships that maximize "lifetime customer value."

 

OK, now that I've gotten those management buzzwords out of the way, I think you're bringing up a really important point here, apropos.  The best salespeople who we'll end up trusting with our money over the long run are exactly the ones who treat us with respect, who take our inquiries seriously, and treat us as we would expect "big timers" to be treated.  The dealers I've trusted the most took a chance on me when they didn't know if I would actually spend a dollar - showed me all the watches I wanted to see, patiently responded to technical questions via phone or email, happily had me back if I wanted to see a piece once, twice or thrice, etc.  I only have two trusted dealers I do business with right now (one is an AD), and I've purchased a few pieces from them that I hope rewarded them for the time they spent with me.

 

But there are icky stories of dealers who just stopped responding to emails, didn't take me seriously, didn't treat me well - I didn't need capuccino served up to me every time I visited, I just needed 5 to 10 minutes of their time when I visited.  That's not so much, is it?  One guy stopped responding to my emails when I was looking for a 3940J because I asked about trade-in options.  Strange.  So I approached another dealer and I ended up buying a 3940 in platinum.  A week later another piece, etc, etc, etc.

 

To be fair, sales managers will want to focus on maximizing dollars per prospect, so salespeople will want to make sure they don't waste too much time with prospects who don't end up buying.  But how will they know which prospects will turn out to be great clients from the get-go, if they don't treat people with whom they interact with some basic modicum of respect?

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