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post #20281 of 35035
Well....I probably wouldn't say HATE. But since you asked, it's mainly the hands believe it or not.

Dauphin style calls for a round case in the Keith T horological world. So it loses points in my strange little book there.

And something about the upper half power reserve not quite balancing out the bottom of the dial...that also gives me pause.

Look, I realize it's like I'm criticizing the mole on Cindy Crawford's face here.
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Yo Frilly!

 

Earlier this evening I was time-wasting (no pun intended) in the leading local dealers, and saw this.  Naturally I can't see a PP perpetual calendar without thinking of you, and in your honour, I tried it on.  This pic is from eBay, not mine, but I just wanted to say that it's so much more stunning in the flesh.  

 

I mean, I do get how someone can lose their mind and spend an insane amount on fine watches, as you have...but putting this on the wrist really, really gives a feel for how easily that insanity could come.  Every tiny detail, both visual and tactile, was just remarkable.  I stared at it for a full fifteen minutes before regaining my senses and putting it down.

 

So why haven't you got one?  It's so different from your others, and I am sure, inherently and empirically perfect.*

 

 

 

*Except two things: one, I would have loved it more in platinum (after the weird Rolex-Eye-of-Sauron dreams of the last 24 hours), but might actually have cried at its wonder.  And two, it was on a chocolate brown strap, that I find a little ugly.  Black or dark tan would have been nicer.  Just sayin'

 

Ah, you fell under the spell of the lovely 5159 in white gold.  I've tried that piece on, as well as its immediate predecessor the 5059.  Picture here:

 

 

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In my opinion the 5059 is a bit better sized for me at 36mm, although this is a personal preference and I'm sure a lot of folks prefer the larger 5159 at 39mm.  The guilloche dial of the 5159 seems to be a plus for me too given that the 5059's enamel-like (emphasis on this, it's not enamel but enamel-like) dial appeared a bit too flat.  

 

The hinged caseback is certainly a very, very cool feature, hope you got to enjoy that subtle bit of sexiness when you tried the 5159, mimo:

 

 

 

And the retrograde complication for the date is certainly a cool function, different from the perpetuals I currently have.  

 

The issue I had with this piece is niggly stuff with aesthetics: first the "15" and "17" being cut off by the leap year indicator was a bit of a minus for me (as it seems to be for Dino944 and Keith T too).  Also, the design of the dial seemed strangely flat, especially compared the sculpted beauty of, say, these baton markers on the 3970:

 

 

 

At the end of the day I went with the 3970 in platinum because I just thought it was perfect in every way, at least for me.  At these price points there's just no room for "trade-offs" or stuff that just doesn't sit well with you.  Don't get me wrong: the 5059 and 5159 still catch my eye when I see 'em.  So please forgive me if I end up getting one in the future anyway...

 

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post #20283 of 35035
So, I was just on Hodinkee and looking at the new Calatrava... I am just balking at the $37,000 price. That is absolutely ridonculous. I just do not know how much longer this can go on.

I almost laughed at the "invisible hinge that took 2 years of R&D." There is NO WAY that any hinge took 2 years of R&D.
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Newcomer - I think the issue with Patek's current pricing of the 5227, at $37K, is that it's running smack against secondary market pricing for pre-owned pieces with some serious grande complications. For example, a simple search on chrono24 reveals at least two to three very lovely tonneau-shaped 5040J's selling for $37-$39K.

One of them happens to be the 5040J I bought, actually. And with some negotiation I actually got it for a bit under $37K.

So - you gonna get a brand new Calatrava with a date and hinged back? Or are you gonna get a perpetual calendar with two casebacks, a Patek winding box valued at $3K and complete/open papers, albeit pre-owned?

Then again current Calatravas that retail at $23K ALREADY compete with pre-owned annual calendars (5035s) so who knows how this latest offering will fare.

Keith T - great analogy about Cindy Crawford and her mole!
post #20285 of 35035
Good point. I am not much of a fran of buying used though, for completely irrational reasons.

But yes, we will certainly see. I have a feeling that Patek would not price something at a certain price if it did not think it would get it though.

We need another Quartz revolution.
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Good point. I am not much of a fran of buying used though, for completely irrational reasons.

But yes, we will certainly see. I have a feeling that Patek would not price something at a certain price if it did not think it would get it though.

We need another Quartz revolution.

 

I get your point about buying pre-owned, and there are certainly risks associated with not going the AD route.

 

However, if you're in love with discontinued models - as I am - sometimes buying from the secondary market / pre-owned is the only way to go.

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I get your point about buying pre-owned, and there are certainly risks associated with not going the AD route.

However, if you're in love with discontinued models - as I am - sometimes buying from the secondary market / pre-owned is the only way to go.

And I don't think that would bother me as much. And I hate to say it... that is not why I don't like the pre-owned route. I just like new things. It is oh-so dumb. But there is something nice about knowing that every scratch, ding, whatever, was caused by you. I look at the nick I put into my watch while changing straps and think "next time, be more careful." If I have to look at the nick that some other person made, I cannot help but think "I wish the prior owner was not such a dumbass at changing straps!"

I know it is a silly consideration, but I guess at the end of the day--this is an emotional hobby! Sometimes things just do not make sense.
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I just returned to the US on Monday after a month of travel, and wanted to put this thread in reverse for a moment to go back to a great post I was unable to comment upon before I left

 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

In case people need a small refresher, the broader conversation was between DLJr and Dino944 about whether or not the GO PanomaticLunar was a rip-off of the ALS Lange 1. It's not my intention, however, to bring us back to this specific question (or related questions of authenticity).

 

 

 

Rather, I want to draw our attention to Dino's response in terms of his ability to reduce his interest in our shared hobby to a single word: originality. The subsequent examples he writes afterward can all be traced back to this point, and I want to ask if can anyone else can do the same? Are you as acutely aware of why you're here?

Welcome back. Thanks for the kind words Cylon.  I'm always appreciative and humbled by the thought of people taking the time to read my posts.  For me this place has a true community feeling where we can reflect on our watches, what motivates us to choose one model or brand over another, share in the enjoyment of other SF members latest purchases, and more importantly not get too serious and have fun!  I am really glad that my post made you think about what it is that you love about watches and how your background has helped you to choose particular pieces to commemorate special events.  It was a great post...and it certainly made me think about my own collection.  Any post that makes you think about your own watches, why you chose them, and how you see your collection developing is a great post.  Thanks again for sharing what has influenced your choices. I should also thank DLjr and Belligero, as they have each made me give a great deal of thought to my watches & collecting.

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on a serious note...dino is great....very knowledgeable and polite.

Thanks pal!  cheers.gif  Your posts are great and often crack me up!

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I concur. Should he be dubbed the TWAT Master?

On a serious note though, he has been a great resource, especially for me, as a young gun, who is so new to horology and has to learn all this stuff from someone else.

Love the title!  I'm not sure what my wife will think of it?    Again, I'm always happy when people find my posts helpful.  Thanks Newcomer. 

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dino is the man, i truly feel better off for getting to read his posts in this thread. an expert and a mentch, through and through.
this is brilliant.

Right back at you pal fistbump.gif


Edited by Dino944 - 4/26/13 at 6:15pm
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I realized that the picture I chose above to highlight the "details in the baton markers" that I loved about the 3970 wasn't quite adequate.  Here is a better picture:

 

 

 

Look carefully at those baton markers and check out how delightfully and carefully sculpted they are.  The balance of each subdial, the lovely use of depth - there's a lot of complications here "crammed" into a 36mm case but trust me, on the wrist there is no problem telling the time and it does not look cluttered at all.

 

Now, compare those details to the dial of the 5059:

 

 

 

(Picture taken by my friend FremStar when we were scouring the IWJG show in Brooklyn earlier this week)

 

That's the same 36mm case and there is much to love.  But compared to the ridges, sculpture and depth of the details of the 3970 dial the 5059 just looks a bit flat.  That's why the guilloche dial of the 5159 is, for me, a bit of an improvement.  mimo saw how dazzling it looks in person.  

 

But again, on the topic of pricing - a brand new 5159J retails for $96,600.  Without disclosing the actual price I paid for my 3970J - a perpetual calendar chronograph, new old stock (never worn) - hey Newcomer, that should appeal to you! - open papers, completely authenticated by Patek - let's just say that it's around that much.

 

So, a brand new 5159R perpetual calendar with a hinged back, or a perpetual calendar chronograph model "so iconic" that Patek took four to six times as long to design its replacement (the 5970) - Thierry Stern's words, not mine:

 

One new model proved to be especially challenging to create – the 5970, a perpetual calendar chronograph. “The challenge is that the old model – the 3970 – is a kind of icon. Recreating such a watch is not easy because you approach it knowing that it will be almost impossible to do better.

 

From: http://www.watchtime.com/featured/patek-philippes-thierry-stern-past-present-future/

 

(Actually, I personally much prefer the 3970 but that's me)

 

For this and a variety of reasons, the 3970 (in platinum, for this recent purchase) was my choice!


Edited by no frills - 4/26/13 at 7:17pm
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And I don't think that would bother me as much. And I hate to say it... that is not why I don't like the pre-owned route. I just like new things. It is oh-so dumb. But there is something nice about knowing that every scratch, ding, whatever, was caused by you. I look at the nick I put into my watch while changing straps and think "next time, be more careful." If I have to look at the nick that some other person made, I cannot help but think "I wish the prior owner was not such a dumbass at changing straps!"

I know it is a silly consideration, but I guess at the end of the day--this is an emotional hobby! Sometimes things just do not make sense.

 

It ain't silly!  I understand perfectly.  That's why when I buy a pre-owned piece I have a loupe with me and I examine the heck out of that watch.  And then I take it with me and have my trusted jeweler give the exterior a once-over.  Then I take it to HSWA and make sure the movement looks solid.  Three days of examination.  I've returned plenty of pieces that were polished in ways I didn't quite like, but for which the polishing was basically invisible to the naked eye.  

 

We're seeking the best deal but also the best goddarn value for this emotional hobby of ours! smile.gif

post #20291 of 35035
It's been a while since i been here i some more watch porn smile.gif
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Ps I can't help but notice the title of the thread changed!
post #20292 of 35035
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I get your point about buying pre-owned, and there are certainly risks associated with not going the AD route.

However, if you're in love with discontinued models - as I am - sometimes buying from the secondary market / pre-owned is the only way to go.

And I don't think that would bother me as much. And I hate to say it... that is not why I don't like the pre-owned route. I just like new things. It is oh-so dumb. But there is something nice about knowing that every scratch, ding, whatever, was caused by you. I look at the nick I put into my watch while changing straps and think "next time, be more careful." If I have to look at the nick that some other person made, I cannot help but think "I wish the prior owner was not such a dumbass at changing straps!"

I know it is a silly consideration, but I guess at the end of the day--this is an emotional hobby! Sometimes things just do not make sense.

This is the epitome of why fine watches should not be polished!

There's nothing wrong with buying preowned or buying new. Things i'd buy preowned (of I could afford it): A bigger house. A Ferrari. A Patek. The Mona Lisa.
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It's been a while since i been here i some more watch porn smile.gif


Ps I can't help but notice the title of the thread changed!

 

Bendy that you? biggrin.gif

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Quote: Originally Posted by depechedior It's been a while since i been here i some more watch porn Ps I can't help but notice the title of the thread changed! Bendy that you?

Yup VC - good to see you found your way here!
post #20295 of 35035
I have an Omega Seamaster Professional with a white dial and stainless bezel and I've grown tired of the standard stainless bracelet it came with. I'm thinking I'd like to change it up by putting a NATO strap on it but I'm not sure what color or pattern, any suggestions?


Thanks.
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