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I'll take a wild guess at all platinum with mother of pearl dial and diamonds...

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I just returned to the US on Monday after a month of travel, and wanted to put this thread in reverse for a moment to go back to a great post I was unable to comment upon before I left

 

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That is an interesting question.  I supppose it raises the issue are we speaking solely of products that are "authentic" vs homage vs. fake...or just companies borrowing ideas of other companies and incorporating them for their own watches.  I do place a value on originality, hence homage watches do not interest me at all.  I have already stated several reasons I don't like fake watches a few pages back.  If I am looking within a class of watches, as long as they are very close in finish, the overall finish would not matter to me.  As for price as a factor, if I can't afford something that I admire, I'll either save up for it or I'll admire from a distance.  A less expensive look alike does not interest me.   I am not sure what other factors come into play besides cost vs originality.  Quality, I tend to think most high end brands have enough DNA and history to come up with their own designs rather than borrow from others...although back in the 1930s when several companies depended on similar sources for movements or cases you tended to end up with somewhat more similar designs say between Gruen and Rolex.

 

Perhaps an explanation of what I like about certain watches or brands might explain the value I place on originality.

I have always wanted at least one watch from each brand that interests me, and I suppose I often seek out is something iconic from these brand/s.  Rolex created the GMT Master in 1954.  Lots of companies have released similar designs over the years, but the only 2 that ever interested me and which I owned were the GMT Master and the Explorer 2 (which for many years was essentially an evolution/variation of the GMT Master).   I never saw a need to consider something beyond the original.  The design for the manual wind Cartier Tank has been around since 1917.  Many companies have sold and made rectangular watches over the years, but IMHO, the Cartier Tank is an iconic design that is simple, elegant, and is the original.  Not to mention in the version I have its doesn't merely use a round movement in a rectangular case (which is commonly done and less expensive to do because you can use that movement in lots of other watches), but it has a rectangular movement.  When it came to purchasing a steel luxury sports watch, I looked at various great brands, but kept coming back to AP.  The RO (often a love it or hate it design) started that genre of watches...so it was not just an original within its brand it was the original that led to the production of the PP Nautilus, VC 222, IWC Ing SL Jumbo, the GP Laureato, Chopard St. Mortiz etc.   Even within the brand, I decided if I only ever get one AP it has to be the RO 15202 (current generation of the Jumbo...which is the closest thing to what they originally produced in 1972).  These were all ground breaking designs, often imitated, sometimes copied...but each has also become a timeless classic.  Sure they have evolved, but each has been in production in some form or other for decades and looks as good today as it did when new. 

 

I would note that although I like iconic designs, I like there to be something original about them.  Hence, one watch that I really do not have much interest in is Patek's Calatrava.  There is no denying its an iconic piece, and that its been around for decades, but there is nothing really ground breaking or unique about its simple time only watches.  If I'm ever fortunate enough to purchase a Patek, I might go with something other than a Calatrava. 

 

Even a feature like a grand date, I only like on a Lange or JLC, as JLC developed it for use by Lange and Lange was the first to use it in a watch.  I don't care for the copy cat usuage of it on a VC, Cartier, Breitling or other brands.  Further, Cartier and Patek have each made "reversing" watches in the past.  However, if I were to get a watch with a reversible carriage for the dial/movement it would be the JLC Reverso....another original.  I've seen Omega make a Speedmaster that has the dial markings and colors of a Rolex "Exotic dial/Paul Newman Dial" Daytona.  To me the Speedy Pro is a great watch in its own right so to build a Speedy that looks like a coveted Rolex makes little sense to me.  A top condition PN Dial Daytona is out or my price range.  I've seen them and handled them and they are beautiful.  But I have no desire to own an Omega with Rolex PN Daytona inspired appearnace just to have the look of a watch that I like but I can't afford.  I would simply get a classic Speedy Pro. 

 

Hope this helps answer your question.

 

Again I recognize and have recognized in the past, that the GO Pano is high quality and a good value, however I would not be satisfied with look a like.  Thats just me.  Hope that helps answer your question.

Best regards,

Dino

 

In case people need a small refresher, the broader conversation was between DLJr and Dino944 about whether or not the GO PanomaticLunar was a rip-off of the ALS Lange 1. It's not my intention, however, to bring us back to this specific question (or related questions of authenticity).

 

Rather, I want to draw our attention to Dino's response in terms of his ability to reduce his interest in our shared hobby to a single word: originality. The subsequent examples he writes afterward can all be traced back to this point, and I want to ask if can anyone else can do the same? Are you as acutely aware of why you're here?

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Are you as acutely aware of why you're here?





on a serious note...dino is great....very knowledgeable and polite.
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on a serious note...dino is great....very knowledgeable and polite.

I concur. Should he be dubbed the TWAT Master?

On a serious note though, he has been a great resource, especially for me, as a young gun, who is so new to horology and has to learn all this stuff from someone else.
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I concur. Should he be dubbed the TWAT Master?

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I'm afraid my answer is slightly more narcissistic, and I'm not so sure I could boil it down to a single word as elegantly as Dino has done--though maybe narcissism is in fact the word I am looking for rotflmao.gif. I find my thought patterns revolve around the idea of purchasing a watch to symbolize various elements of my own identity. By this I mean something more than a simple dress-watch/sport watch dichotomy to reflect me "at-work" & "at-play"

 

I've shared before the fact that the JLC MUT Moon was a wedding gift from my wife. So on a basic level, the symbolic meaning independent of whatever watch I chose is always associated with me being a husband. But deeper than that is the fact that we were married in the mosque, and so the moonphase complication has added religious symbolism. The moonphase complication isn't so useless after all if you need to track the Islamic lunar calendar too. HA!

 

 

 

Secondly, the Speedy Pro was purchased to commemorate the birth of my first child. I wanted something visually different than the MUT Moon (i.e. sport watch), yes, but also something that encapsulated certain notions (stereotypes?) of fatherhood--adventure, imagination, exploration. Throw in another aspect of my identity (American) and I had no choice but to go with the watch that represents the quintessential American achievement of the 20th century (sorry Hamilton).

 

 

 

Finally, as an American Muslim of Indian heritage I will mostly likely have to purchase a Reverso at some point in the future to keep this whole story consistent. While Polo is strongly associated with Britain and Argentina in the modern era, the Brits learned the sport during their colonial foray in India, and as everybody already knows, this is where the story of the Reverso begins. There is an alternative in the Rolex Explorer since it is so strongly associated with the himalayas, but since Mt. Everest is in Nepal rather than India, the connection is that much weaker.

 

So there you have it. Hope I did not bore y'all too much.

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^^wow. i just buy whatever watch gets my dick hard that day. wink.gif

great stuff.....its nice being able to tie in a meaning to each watch.
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Brief question Cylon:

I did not really recognize that you put such a large amount of thought into each watch. I guess my question is a "what came first, the chicken or the egg" one. When you bought the Speedy, was it the rugged Americanism that propelled you to get it, or is it through the benefit of hindsight that you realize what caused you to gravitate towards it?

I guess in response to your question, I just like the best of certain 'categories.' I am not saying that these categories make sense generally, but they make sense to me. As far as steel sports chronographs go, the Speedy is my favorite. Above the Daytona in my eyes. As far as I am concerned, the Speedy is the best in that category. Now lets turn to the JLC MUT Moon. I think this is the "best" in its category that I have delineated--a dress watch with a moonphase. That is what eventually steered me away from the GO PML. It was merely a placeholder in my eyes to a Lange 1 with moonphase.

That is one of the reasons I sold my Master Control. I loved it, but I wished it was a VC Patrimony. And if I got a VC Patrimony, the MC would have been sold.

Another example: I put AP RO, Nautilus, Daytona, Overseas, and the Ingy in a category.

This is one of the reasons I did not really care for the new Master Calendar. Is it beautiful? Yes. But I would always look at it and wish it was a Patek Annual Calendar.

And I definitely take this approach to many things in life.

My blue suede Alden penny loafers--I would not replace those with anything, there is no 'upgrade' in my eyes. On the other hand, if I was to buy some brown semi-brogues, I would be getting something from EG or G&G.

It is not the originality element that gets me, it is the staying power I guess.
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Slow clap for Cylon. NOT boring.
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on a serious note...dino is great....very knowledgeable and polite.

awesome gif.

dino is the man, i truly feel better off for getting to read his posts in this thread. an expert and a mentch, through and through.
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custom title? lol8[1].gif

this is brilliant.
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Originally Posted by Cylon View Post

I'm afraid my answer is slightly more narcissistic, and I'm not so sure I could boil it down to a single word as elegantly as Dino has done--though maybe narcissism is in fact the word I am looking for rotflmao.gif. I find my thought patterns revolve around the idea of purchasing a watch to symbolize various elements of my own identity. By this I mean something more than a simple dress-watch/sport watch dichotomy to reflect me "at-work" & "at-play"

 

I've shared before the fact that the JLC MUT Moon was a wedding gift from my wife. So on a basic level, the symbolic meaning independent of whatever watch I chose is always associated with me being a husband. But deeper than that is the fact that we were married in the mosque, and so the moonphase complication has added religious symbolism. The moonphase complication isn't so useless after all if you need to track the Islamic lunar calendar too. HA!

 

 

 

Secondly, the Speedy Pro was purchased to commemorate the birth of my first child. I wanted something visually different than the MUT Moon (i.e. sport watch), yes, but also something that encapsulated certain notions (stereotypes?) of fatherhood--adventure, imagination, exploration. Throw in another aspect of my identity (American) and I had no choice but to go with the watch that represents the quintessential American achievement of the 20th century (sorry Hamilton).

 

 

 

Finally, as an American Muslim of Indian heritage I will mostly likely have to purchase a Reverso at some point in the future to keep this whole story consistent. While Polo is strongly associated with Britain and Argentina in the modern era, the Brits learned the sport during their colonial foray in India, and as everybody already knows, this is where the story of the Reverso begins. There is an alternative in the Rolex Explorer since it is so strongly associated with the himalayas, but since Mt. Everest is in Nepal rather than India, the connection is that much weaker.

 

So there you have it. Hope I did not bore y'all too much.

 

This has got to be one of the most honest, least boring posts in this thread.  Love it.  Thanks for sharing, and congratulations on these milestones!

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Now now...enough happiness, mutual respect and all-round sensibility.

 

Let's go back to the subject of silly Daytonas for a minute.  My local AD has just ordered this, apparently (image lifted from his Facebook page)...getting lots of adoring comments, but I'm guessing this is where Belligero might draw the line.  Stitchy...hard to say.

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Now now...enough happiness, mutual respect and all-round sensibility.

 

Let's go back to the subject of silly Daytonas for a minute.  My local AD has just ordered this, apparently (image lifted from his Facebook page)...getting lots of adoring comments, but I'm guessing this is where Belligero might draw the line.  Stitchy...hard to say.

 

Ah, this one is not for me.  A personal thing, for sure, but I tend to shy away from diamonds anywhere in men's watches.  That subtle little diamond at the bottom of newer Patek platinum pieces that looks like one of the pushers and that no one really sees unless they look for it?  I can take that.  

 

The diamond-encrusted crown guards for this piece seem a bit much for me.

 

I'm not averse to diamonds per se!  I got the wife this one last December, for example:

 

 

 

But not for any piece I wear.  Just me.

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That's the kind of thing you have to buy your wife when you've just spent $$$$$ on a sudden interest in Patek Philippe perpetual calendars. lol8[1].gif

 

I agree...all those diamonds are really for the ladies...and the one I linked to is just horrible.  But that subtle little number on the platinum PP...yeah, I'm with you on that too.

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That's the kind of thing you have to buy your wife when you've just spent $$$$$ on a sudden interest in Patek Philippe perpetual calendars. lol8[1].gif

 

I agree...all those diamonds are really for the ladies...and the one I linked to is just horrible.  But that subtle little number on the platinum PP...yeah, I'm with you on that too.

 

Uhm.  Yeah.  Precisely.  fistbump.gif

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