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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

As for Platinum vs. Gold, check the Vickers and Mohs Hardness ratings and you will see gold is much softer than Platinum.  I think when you talk about gold alloys, you then have to be more specific regarding whether you are talking about 18K, 14K or 10K.  18K gold is only 75% gold, 14K is only 58.5% gold, and 10K gold... well that starts to seem like more scrap metal than gold, and will be relatively hard depending on what its alloyed with.   Platinum is denser, more brittle, and more durable.  I've seen guys with wedding bands that are 40+ years which have litterally worn through in some places.   Platinum, I've seen bands that are 70 years old that are scratched up, but not worn through.  Interestingly, when you scratch or dent platinum, it can be polished and you lose little or no metal, some molecules simply shifts their positions when scratch or polished, when you polish gold its so soft you actually lose some metal.  
I wish I'd seen this before I submitted my earlier post. Spot-on, although my understanding of platinum's properties is that it's not at all brittle. Its combination of hardness and ductility is phenomenal, and makes the metal uniquely desirable.
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[quote name="kungapa" url="/t/36253/the-watch-appreciation-thread/20160#ptage
I was posting from the - rather simplified - point of view of some potential customers for these Rolexes. Rolex has the unique situation of almost being a proprietary eponym synonymous with high-end, expensive luxury watch. For people with no interest in watches and more sense than money, the type of signal owning a Rolex sends is highly desirable. It can be understood by a lot of people in the general public, whereas a Lange or even a Patek doesn't communicate the same thing.[/quote]

SEE BELOW - I did this on my phone, which often confuses me.
Edited by jhcam8 - 4/25/13 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

The ice blue is great.  For ladies.  Although last night I dreamed about that girly blue platinum Daytona that I had been ridiculing just hours earlier.  Maybe I'm a closet lover of ridiculous effeminate watches?

In the mean time, back to the subject of proper manly blues, I saw this and thought of you.  Happy birthday.

I had the original version of that watch, the 228, done as a limited run of 100 for their Florence boutique. Stunning blue in person.
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

^^you raise some damn good points here.
Thanks, Derek. To put it bluntly, a platinum Daytona is what some would call (and wear as) a "fuck-off" watch, and I'm fine with that. It has the capacity to be something other than a simple money bludgeon, though, due to its reasonable size and platinum's tendency to go a bit matte with use. It can still stand on its own as a beautiful and even semi-stealthy watch once you take away the whole Rolex thing. It's all in how you wear it.
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

I'm pretty sure that platinum, especially in its usual alloys, is actually softer than 18k gold. (yes, I've been doing some reading sitchy... shog[1].gif )

cant speak for all the alloys, but i have spoken to many jewelers and read much about it, all of which said plat was harder. as well, i have held a great deal of plat and 18k jewelry in my hand. i can easily bend 18k jewelry with my hand, plat, not so. much harder. i am not saying there is no plat alloy that is not more pliable than a certain 18k alloy, but standard 950 plat is far harder than 18k gold.

now, by softer, you may also be referring to hardness, as in scratch resistance. in which case plat is very easily scratched, quite possibly more so than 18. but as far as bending it and molding it, as far as i know from working with it, and from hearing from jewelers, and from reading about it, plat is harder than 18k.

also, dino, 10k is 41.7% gold, or at least it is supposed to be. much of it is 39.5%.
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Until you take a Patek, BP, Glasutte, AP... - any of which can be beautiful- in for repair & cough up 5K, maybe you start thinking that a nice, reliable Rolex is the ticket.
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

Thanks, Derek. To put it bluntly, a platinum Daytona is what some would call (and wear as) a "fuck-off" watch, and I'm fine with that. It has the capacity to be something other than a simple money bludgeon, though, due to its reasonable size and platinum's tendency to go a bit matte with use. It can still stand on its own as a beautiful and even semi-stealthy watch once you take away the whole Rolex thing. It's all in how you wear it.

agreed again. The point you raised of having a watch that you can wear in any situation is quite true...however, if youre buying an $80K watch, its safe to say its not gonna be your only watch. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

cant speak for all the alloys, but i have spoken to many jewelers and read much about it, all of which said plat was harder. as well, i have held a great deal of plat and 18k jewelry in my hand. i can easily bend 18k jewelry with my hand, plat, not so. much harder. i am not saying there is no plat alloy that is not more pliable than a certain 18k alloy, but standard 950 plat is far harder than 18k gold.

now, by softer, you may also be referring to hardness, as in scratch resistance. in which case plat is very easily scratched, quite possibly more so than 18. but as far as bending it and molding it, as far as i know from working with it, and from hearing from jewelers, and from reading about it, plat is harder than 18k.

also, dino, 10k is 41.7% gold, or at least it is supposed to be. much of it is 39.5%.


this is correct.

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Originally Posted by jhcam8 View Post

Until you take a Patek, BP, Glasutte, AP... - any of which can be beautiful- in for repair & cough up 5K, maybe you start thinking that a nice, reliable Rolex is the ticket.

well, like i said above...if you can afford 80K for a watch, the 5K maintenance every 15 years isnt gonna be a concern. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

The ice blue is great.  For ladies.  Although last night I dreamed about that girly blue platinum Daytona that I had been ridiculing just hours earlier.  Maybe I'm a closet lover of ridiculous effeminate watches?

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH THAT DIAL IS AWESOME AND FOR MANLY MEN!!!
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

sound advice stitchy!

less is more? YO FUCK THAT SHIT!! MORE IS MORE!!!
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

IMO a great part of the appeal of the Nautilus is that you want a sporty watch (common) that no one else has (rare). Same for the RO. Yes, you can appreciate the other tangible things about it (finish, design, movement, etc) but if for some reason tomorrow the MSRP on the Nautilus became $2k and Joe Sixpack on Main Street had one too demand would crash through the floor.

the only issue with this is, that it will never be a 2k watch. not by any maker. if it were, it would be a substantially different watch. now, i know its not loved across the board, i used be very unmoved by it. but i have come to love it.

i mean, why cant chevy make the volt look like a ferrari and sell it for 15k? because what goes into making that what it is, by nature is costly.

the finishing of the nautilus, the lines and angles, the movement, the whole shebang. its a great watch that some love and some hate. nor price nor exclusivity is not a factor is a factor imo.
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Originally Posted by jhcam8 View Post

Until you take a Patek, BP, Glasutte, AP... - any of which can be beautiful- in for repair & cough up 5K, maybe you start thinking that a nice, reliable Rolex is the ticket.
Bingo.

The time it can take to service them can be considerable as well, especially if you live outside the few cities that have their own service centres and have to get in the Swiss queue, in which case there's a decent chance that the duration is going to be measured in years.
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


Permit me to play the devil's advocate here for a moment regarding the PtD. 

 

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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

^^you raise some damn good points here.

 

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Originally Posted by jhcam8 View Post

Until you take a Patek, BP, Glasutte, AP... - any of which can be beautiful- in for repair & cough up 5K, maybe you start thinking that a nice, reliable Rolex is the ticket.

 

I still think the "ice" Day-Date looks like a girl's watch.  But Counsellor Belligero for the defence is speaking sense.  Ultimately, a watch that belongs to a jerk is a jerks' watch, and a watch that belongs to a gentleman is a gentleman's watch.  If you look at this and love it, it's the one for you I suppose.  I'd still balk at the price, and maybe take a steel Daytona and a Datograph instead.  But those games we can play forever.

 

 

Apart from the fact that the PtD called to me weirdly in my dreams after I insulted it.  I'm beginning to suspect that to destroy one, a tiny dude with no shoes will have to cast it into a fire with a big eye hovering over it.

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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

well, like i said above...if you can afford 80K for a watch, the 5K maintenance every 15 years isnt gonna be a concern. wink.gif

I suppose for an 80K model. I was thinking of the more pedestrian types in the 10 - 20k range where a seemingly straight forward repair (not maintenance) can run 25% of the cost of the watch.
Even a mere 3K for cleaning on a 16K piece seems a bit out of line.
Just seems high to me. eh.gif
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post



I still think the "ice" Day-Date looks like a girl's watch.  But Counsellor Belligero for the defence is speaking sense.  Ultimately, a watch that belongs to a jerk is a jerks' watch, and a watch that belongs to a gentleman is a gentleman's watch.  If you look at this and love it, it's the one for you I suppose.  I'd still balk at the price, and maybe take a steel Daytona and a Datograph instead.  But those games we can play forever.


Apart from the fact that the PtD called to me weirdly in my dreams after I insulted it.  I'm beginning to suspect that to destroy one, a tiny dude with no shoes will have to cast it into a fire with a big eye hovering over it.
Such is the dark magic of Rolex. Beware.
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


The time it can take to service them can be considerable as well...

 

Ha.  If you live outside a major market...hell, if you live outside the US or Europe, service is an eye-pulling, ball-crushing, motherfucking nightmare on stilts.

 

Last year I got my super-simple, scruffy, three hand vintage Omega put back together.  Just a simple service, and replacement glass and crown, plus one non-original hand that had snuck in there about forty years ago.  It was the ex-dealer who still had some parts and whatnot, and was able to do it for me.  It was about $200 - plenty for just that, but probably as much as the watch is worth, just worth it for the sentimental value.  I was delighted with it.

 

Two months ago I dropped the poor beast on the floor, smashed the glass and the movement stopped.  Not wanting to take chances, I went straight to the new AD - a massive regional operation with about twenty brands including all the Swatch group and plenty of shittier designer stuff.  Anyway, they sent it to their regional centre.  Can't do anything.  Then got me to undertake to pay insured shipping costs to Switzerland ($120-ish) - regardless of whether I accept the repair quote - and sent it away.  After another month, I got an email: "We can't restore this as the dial is discontinued and this type cannot be restored".  All I asked was for a new glass and check/repair the movement.  So now I wait for a response to my angry-gram.

 

If that's what a manual-wind, three hand cheap vintage item does to you, I hate to think what I'd have to go through to service a Langematik, or, God forbid, fix one if it went wrong.

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

Such is the dark magic of Rolex. Beware.

This is happening to me with the skydweller a bit, but I don't really see one in my future.
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Originally Posted by WhoKnewI View Post

my new stowa

Hi Kewl, Congrats and enjoy it!

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

Permit me to play the devil's advocate here for a moment regarding the PtD. I kinda like it. It's very encouraging that the watch is staying at around 39 mm (the case appears to be very slightly wider than the steel and YG models), and I think it's going to be fairly understated, at least as far as top-of-the-range Rolex goes. €61550 is borderline taking-the-piss, but it's about what I expected considering that a platinum Day-Date costs about double what an 18K one does. C'est la vie.

Although the colour scheme is a bit pastel-ey and the term "ice blue" is ...well.. lame, I'd sure wear it. In fact, I'd be fine with it as my only watch. Better than fine, actually; I'd be freaking ecstatic, as I could then retire from ever giving a crap again about watches. Considering that Rolex has only produced the Day-Date in platinum before this, there's some significance in making the Daytona first watch in the sports range with this metal, and I'm glad that my prediction came true as it suits the watch. Also, who the hell wouldn't want a Pt Oyster bracelet on the wrist? There are very few watches that are offered with a platinum bracelet, and extremely few that actually look good on one.

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I'm not sure whether they're my favourites, but I don't mind the colours, either. The brown looks great to me, and the Day-Date with that dial looks fine in person, though I might just be bypassing my critical reasoning faculties due to the metal. And what a metal! I have little interest in gold watches, but platinum is a different story. My favourite thing about it is that the more you wear it, the better it looks. It doesn't get rounded-off like gold or somewhat mangy like steel can sometimes get — it develops a subtle lustre over time that's unique to the metal. It's very hard yet incredibly ductile, it doesn't lose any weight from wearing... the stuff absolutely kicks ass.

Admittedly, for that cost, you have some tremendous options — the vast majority of which offer something other than a mass-produced chronograph movement, as stellar as the 4130 is. However, I feel limited when I'm wearing something with a less-robust movement. While I'm not particularly rough on watches, and my more complicated stuff has been fine so far even in the Norwegian drinking environment, simpler is often better. In (very roughly) that cost ballpark, I'd be more than a bit uncomfortable about wearing something as intricate as a Datograph, which is undeniably a great watch with a phenomenally beautiful movement inside. But the approval of self-appointed WIS-types ain't everything; I have never called myself one and I'd be tempted to slap someone who did. Seriously, though, there's undeniably some appeal to a watch you can wear every single day of your life, under any reasonable circumstances, without having to stress about it.

Plus the thing is waterproof. You could easily use it just as you would a steel watch. I can't think of any other in that rarefied price category that I'd be comfortable with having on my wrist 24/7. While I'm not a fan of watches that are heavy simply due to bulk, the slim Daytona in platinum is going to be formidable. The DD II is about 280 g, and I'd expect a PtD to be at least that. The thing is going to be an absolute beast, and I am most definitely looking forward to trying one on! It would be more than a bit foolish of me to buy it at this stage in my life, but I'm sure that there are plenty that will, and not all of them will be doing it out of ignorance of the other options.

 

Interesting opinion.  I love the ideal of a Platinum Daytona.  I had thought back in the 90s when I bought my first oen that it would be an amazing watch in platinum.  Very subtle (only a few might realize its not steel or wg), I love the sheer weight of platinum, and its more durable than gold.  Based on the amount of work it takes to mine platinum, the difficulties in working with it, and the volume of it you would be getting with a Daytona case and Oyster bracelet I can accept the price.  As a do anything kind of watch, it would surely work.  My main issue with it is the dial and bezel.  I think they could have really done something great with this watch, but instead it really starts to resemble a fashion watch, rather than a tool watch.   Ice blue and brown would work for me if it were a tie, but I just dont love it on a watch.  Sure thats purely subjective but for that kind of money I would have to love the watch...and this one, well I don't.    Maybe they will work on an alternative dial and bezel for those that don't want the "Paris Hilton edition." wink.gif

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