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post #20146 of 31277
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For that money, I am pretty sure I will take a damn Paul Newman Daytona. Or a number of other more awesome watches. Hmmm, maybe a Vingt-8 for that money. Shit, the platinum Daytona is not even aesthetically pleasing.

And let us not kid, ~$20k for a SS YMII? That is also ABSURD. I will take JLC's new perpetual calendar, which is actually LESS.

And then we have the GMT running in at $9,500. That is a lot of money. Jeez. I think I will probably be going vintage.

Is it wrong that this pricing actually angers me? Do not get me wrong, I can't fault Rolex, they are just trying to make it a profit. But this is maddening.

 

I saw a Patek 3970J - incomplete, mind you, no second solid caseback, no stylus, no original Certificate of Origin, but an Extract from the Archives was present - for $77K at the IWJG show. I'd probably go for that versus an $80K Daytona, but that is just me.
post #20147 of 31277
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Is it wrong that this pricing actually angers me? Do not get me wrong, I can't fault Rolex, they are just trying to make it a profit. But this is maddening.


not wrong at all, it is pretty hard to understand why the increases are so significant. when i bought my DJ the full MSRP was 3850. only about 5 years ago.

then again, when i bought my squadra the full retail was only about 4k iirc. it has since more than doubled.

the only reason i would say that that is not a fair comparison is that when i bought the squadra is was a brand new line, they never did a square reverso before, and i knew the line was being offered up cheap to get people in the door and that if it stuck around the price would soon rise steeply. i dont think other JLC models have increased in price so significantly, but i could be wrong.
post #20148 of 31277
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yeah. wow. im amazed. but, if they can get it, i guess they will have the last laugh for now.

i really wonder though what their long term goals are, or if they feel they can simply adapt their models to the trends of the time, and their brand cache will keep them strong despite the changes. could very well be right, but its a strong deviation from what they have been doing for decades past, where the felt they had the look and feel they wanted with their watches, and stuck with it.

well, theyve always done a few iterations of their watches.....same can be said of the root beer/eastwood GMT.

in terms of rolex, people complained that they never changed their line up in decades..and when they do, people complain. Cant win. haha.

However, to remain a viable high end watch company, they HAD to change...they couldnt ask 8-9K for the old 16610. They had to update the movement a bit, change to ceramic, upgrade the bracelets, etc. I think in terms of their new watches, theyve been able to stay true to the basic classic designs for the most part. Comparing the ceramic sub to the old 16610, the ceramic is MUCH nicer IMHO. Now, they also have some fucked up looking watches...the leopard daytona comes to mind. But also, im reminded of another story of a dealer who couldnt keep them in stock despite the asking price of over 50K. Rolex has done a great thing i think...theyre able to appeal to such a broad spectrum of customers.....theyve kept the purists happy with the classic explorer unchanged, upgraded the subs to satisfy those of us who wanted more for the asking price, and provided gaudy, horribly ugly diamond encusted watches to satisfy the entertainment industry and the assholes with more money than sense. wink.gif
post #20149 of 31277
Here is another food for thought. An average person doesn't know how much a Rolex cost. All they know, it is a pretty damn expensive watch brand.

You would be surprised on the guess too. I would get guess from $500, $2,000, $15,000, etc.
post #20150 of 31277
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That is exactly my issue. Rolex really is not 'improving.' The finishing is not getting much better, the movements are not improving that much, the designs are just the same old, same old. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

It is kind of like they are playing a game of chicken. "If we bump our prices up another grand, will people buy the same watch? What about for two grand?" I would have though that at some point, the market would have responded. Clearly that is not the case.

One thing I find particularly interesting is that Rolex continues to 'evolve' certain designs, but at the same time is not afraid to cast away previous design elements without looking back. For example... they are going back to the bi-color GMT, but there is NO precedent for a GMT with blue lettering, and a black and blue bezel. Why did they not do a coke bezel? Why not a pepsi bezel?

hmm...good points. Also, that was my first thought...I assumed the no brainer on a bi color GMTc would be a pepsi or coke edition.
post #20151 of 31277
dereks, 3 posts above. that is all very true.
post #20152 of 31277
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Originally Posted by Warren G. View Post

Here is another food for thought. An average person doesn't know how much a Rolex cost. All they know, it is a pretty damn expensive watch brand.

You would be surprised on the guess too. I would get guess from $500, $2,000, $15,000, etc.

they have no idea. ive been asked many times how much my watches cost...i personally dont feel comfortable talking about that, but i cant tell you how many times ive been asked if they could buy one for 500-1000.

i fucking wish. frown.gif
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So, I have a question. The following two watches are the same price. You can take one of these home from Bazel this year. You are in the mood for a chronograph. Which one do you choose?


post #20154 of 31277
Given that the Daytona is hideous, it seems like a pretty easy choice.
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So, I have a question. The following two watches are the same price. You can take one of these home from Bazel this year. You are in the mood for a chronograph. Which one do you choose?

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The Patek. It is a better made watch. It will probably hold value better. And it is quite attractive, whereas the Rolex is, to my eyes, actively ugly.
post #20156 of 31277
the patek. no contest.

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also, that patek is wonderful without the comparison. .
post #20157 of 31277
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So, I have a question. The following two watches are the same price. You can take one of these home from Bazel this year. You are in the mood for a chronograph. Which one do you choose?



One of them is a Rolex, the other is some brand I've never heard about. If they are the same price, of course I would pick a Rolex!
post #20158 of 31277
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Originally Posted by Axelman 17 View Post

Given that the Daytona is hideous, it seems like a pretty easy choice.

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The Patek. It is a better made watch. It will probably hold value better. And it is quite attractive, whereas the Rolex is, to my eyes, actively ugly.


i think it was a rhetorical question. wink.gif
post #20159 of 31277
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i think it was a rhetorical question. wink.gif

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I guess what I was trying to say, is they are competing with the big guns in that price bracket. I mean some of these prices are verging on unconscionable.

This has been a fun day in TWAT [The Watch Appreciation Thread--I just realized what an unfortunate acronym this is].
post #20160 of 31277
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So, I have a question. The following two watches are the same price. You can take one of these home from Bazel this year. You are in the mood for a chronograph. Which one do you choose?
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Also, the Rolex has three (3!) subdials. Clearly better than the stinky two subdials on that other watch.
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