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post #19951 of 38486
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

than what will you look at to not be bored to death while you are there?

The only time I really wear black tie is during the Mardi Gras balls, and they are not normally very boring! Largest black tie event in the world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYc5n9bR_rY

Personally, anytime I will be dancing I try to avoid wearing watches. My arms are reckless as is when 'getting down,' without worrying about a chunk of steel attached to it.

RIP Pumps frown.gif.
post #19952 of 38486
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

I generally agree with this statement, although you'll want to consider dial design, formality of the strap versus bracelet, the precious metal used to make the watch, the height of the watch (does it slip discreetly into your formal jacket's cuff?) and your own personal preferences.  

 

I like 36mm, and I think this particular watch of mine, for example, straddles the balance between formal wear (business suits, tuxedoes) and casual (weekend wear, shirt/jeans). Indeed, the case size is 36mm!

 

 

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1.  Dial design: the balance of various subdials given the perpetual calendar complication renders it for me quite appealing for formal wear, but the chronograph function gives it a "sporty" edge that goes well with casual wear.

 

2.  Formality of strap versus bracelet: Leather straps are pretty flexible for me, perfectly at home in formal settings but also acceptable for casual wear.  This one is in black but I think if it came in brown that might work even better for casual wear - but maybe not for black tie events.

 

3.  Precious metal: This piece is made of platinum, which tends to fly under the radar (which I like).  Depending on the finishing some people can't even distinguish it from stainless steel.  That gives it the "sporty" edge for me that allows me to wear it with casual stuff - yellow gold might not go as well with ripped jeans.  This one (for me) works just fine.

 

4.  Height of the watch: This is where the 13mm height of this 3970P can be hit or miss.  It is arguable that the sub-9mm height of the Patek 3940 is better for formal wear.  But the extra heft and height delivered by the chrono movement (I have yet to see an "ultra thin chronograph") appeals to me for casual wear, while the watch is just short enough to slip under my (formal) jacket's cuff.  Any taller/thicker/meatier and I think I'd be uncomfortable pairing this with formal wear.

 

 

 

5.  Personal preference: Hey.  At the end of the day the above reasons justify my use of this watch for both formal and casual wear.  These are my reasons.  It's perfectly fine if you disagree with me and if you think my reasoning is bullsh*t and my sense of style sucks.  

 

 

 

Hey, I wear my perpetual calendar chronos with a beat up Uniqlo undershirt (two for $12.99 baby).  Can't get more casual than that I suppose, unless I took my shirt off.  Standard "Frills shot" (according to Newcomer) below.  biggrin.gif

 

 

36mm is really a great size in terms of making a watch quite versatile.  A Rolex Datejust or Explorer 1 in 36mm cases are great examples of versatility. 

Your 3970 is a stunner!  However, IMHO, it just doesn't work for me as a casual watch with a T-shirt.  I think it can be worn with casual or business casual but the T-shirt is just far too casual.  The white metal is more understated than yellow, and yes a chronograph is often a sporty complication, however I find its overall look, thin bezel, perpetual calendar function, delicately marked dial, and the history of its predcessors such as the 2499, just pushes it too far over the line to really work as a casual watch with a T shirt and jeans.  The T-shirt and jeans look just works better with your Ex1, Daytona, and Nautilus.  If your watch was simply a Patek Chronograph, then maybe I could better see it with a t-shirt, but even then I think it would look better with a long sleeve shirt with collar or polo shirt when wearing jeans. I just don't think a 2499 would look good with a t-shirt and jeans and the 3970 is quite similar, but more modern.  When I see your "Classic Frills" T-shirt pose with the 3970, my first thought is you are not finished getting dressed wink.gif  Still its a fantastic watch and its always a pleasure to see your Pateks in photos.   

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

There is something to be said about whether aesthetics sing to you or not - and the combination of specific complications is part of this.  For several posts, Dino944 stated how the Patek 5059's choice of cutting off the "15" and "17" in the retrograde date function didn't sit well with him visually: I had the same visceral reaction when I saw the 5059, and I really tried to like it as it has great virtues (the officer/hunter's case is to die for).  I tried wearing it over and over again (six times) - but at the end it didn't sing to me as "perfect" versus, say, the 3970's overall design and choice of complications.

 

 

When I wore it on my wrist a few things bothered me:

 

Anyway, these were my niggly thoughts about the 5496P.  I'm sure some people love it.  If it sings to you, that's fantastic.  It's got to feel perfect for you, there must be no tradeoffs, there can't be a single feeling of "man this watch is awesome, but...." ... not at these price points.

 

 

They got everything correct with the 5050.  The 5059, the chopped date is a compromise forced adding the printed minute track with a ring around the top and bottom of the Roman hour markers.  So while not perfect in design, I can understand it.  The 5496 is overall very nice watch, but the dial is too barren, and it makes no sense not to restore the dates when they have an overal larger watch and dial, and they have gone back to hour and minute markers that are the same as on some of the 5050s.  There is plent of room to give the 5496 full dates, but they chose not to.  While I wouldn't kick it to the curb if someone gave one to me, its design does not sit well with me. 

post #19953 of 38486
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

The only time I really wear black tie is during the Mardi Gras balls, and they are not normally very boring! Largest black tie event in the world!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYc5n9bR_rY
Personally, anytime I will be dancing I try to avoid wearing watches. My arms are reckless as is when 'getting down,' without worrying about a chunk of steel attached to it.
RIP Pumps frown.gif.

ahhhh, that makes sense. i do not like having a watch on when dancing either. especially with a leather band.
post #19954 of 38486
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Originally Posted by DLJr View Post

Am I only only one who perfers small, simple, "uncomplicated" watches for black tie?

No,  I agree completely.  If going to a black tie event or a very dressy event I stick with a simple a time only watch.  No complications to distract from the simplicity of its design or my appearnance.  

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Originally Posted by Flake View Post


Not at all! The only watch among mine that I ever wear with black tie rig is my Breguet Classique. Time only, small seconds at 6. Hand wound white gold on black croc. Small, simple and elegant. Even then, it feels a little wrong to wear a wristwatch. shog[1].gif

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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

See, I have always been of the belief that one should not wear a watch with black tie.

Technically, I've heard it explained that you should not wear a watch to a black tie event because you are supposed to be having such a great time that you would not check your watch to see how long you have been there...and to do so would be rude.  Sadly, plenty of black tie events can put one to sleep...so I can see how a few complications would be a good way to quietly amuse oneself. 

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Originally Posted by scottcw View Post

Black tie was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this in person.



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Perfect watch for a black tie event if one is going to wear a watch.

post #19955 of 38486
What's the case size on that beauty? 36-ish?
post #19956 of 38486
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

When I see your "Classic Frills" T-shirt pose with the 3970, my first thought is you are not finished getting dressed wink.gif  Still its a fantastic watch and its always a pleasure to see your Pateks in photos.  

 

Well, there is a reason why the picture doesn't show anything below my waist........ bigstar[1].gif  <- me at a black (bow) tie event. 

post #19957 of 38486
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
   

They got everything correct with the 5050.  The 5059, the chopped date is a compromise forced adding the printed minute track with a ring around the top and bottom of the Roman hour markers.  So while not perfect in design, I can understand it.  The 5496 is overall very nice watch, but the dial is too barren, and it makes no sense not to restore the dates when they have an overal larger watch and dial, and they have gone back to hour and minute markers that are the same as on some of the 5050s.  There is plenty of room to give the 5496 full dates, but they chose not to.  While I wouldn't kick it to the curb if someone gave one to me, its design does not sit well with me.

 

Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.

post #19958 of 38486
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Originally Posted by Keith T View Post

What's the case size on that beauty? 36-ish?

If you are referring to the Vacheron, it is 35. The only reasons I did not buy it on the spot were that it seemed small on my wrist and I don't care for gold watches. I would have gotten past the size if it was silver.
post #19959 of 38486
Frills, I think you have some competition with this gent:

http://alang.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-10/pi-3516926/ti-567991/s-0/
post #19960 of 38486
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

Frills, I think you have some competition with this gent:

http://alang.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-10/pi-3516926/ti-567991/s-0/

 

There are some collectors out there with really, really, really, really deep pockets...

post #19961 of 38486
It's funny, I don't wear watches to black tie weddings but I do to other black tie events. Not sure why I do that, maybe subconsciously I feel rude at a wedding for the reasons you mentioned Dino.

I ordered 2 watches from Ben, one of which I'll try as a black tie watch. And when my wife stops spending money landscaping the backyard I'll be on the hunt for a vintage VC for black tie or dressier occasions. Dino, when that hunt starts, expect a PM haha.
post #19962 of 38486
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Originally Posted by DLJr View Post

It's funny, I don't wear watches to black tie weddings but I do to other black tie events. Not sure why I do that, maybe subconsciously I feel rude at a wedding for the reasons you mentioned Dino.

I ordered 2 watches from Ben, one of which I'll try as a black tie watch. And when my wife stops spending money landscaping the backyard I'll be on the hunt for a vintage VC for black tie or dressier occasions. Dino, when that hunt starts, expect a PM haha.

 

OMG watch it DLJr, you are about to pass the 100 post mark and become a "Senior Member"!

post #19963 of 38486
If it wasn't for this and the Ercoles thread I'd be struggling to hit 10. I'm a lurker by nature.

This thread has been beyond excellent though, especially the discussion.
post #19964 of 38486
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

Frills, I think you have some competition with this gent:

http://alang.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-10/pi-3516926/ti-567991/s-0/
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

There are some collectors out there with really, really, really, really deep pockets...

It might just be me, and I totally understand if anyone disagrees with me, but I find collectors like that slightly disturbing.

I know he takes pains to mention that he tries to wear every watch, but when your collection is 140+ and growing, you're only going to wear any given watch once or twice a year if you rotate them daily.

What I am trying to say in a roundabout way is that past a "certain point" (which varies for each of us), it becomes more about collecting stuff, and less about watches.

I'm not saying that I begrudge him his ability to afford that large quantity of watches (I don't), but that I find it disturbing that he has that many watches. It's like watching an upscale edition of Hoarders, or a grownup (presumably) Big Law/Finance version of a Pokemon card collector.

I can safely say that even if I had unlimited funds I would keep my collection tightly focused, by which I mean probably < 10 (sentimental watches exempted). Every watch wanting to enter this hallowed company would have to knock another one out... Iron Chef style.

... like I said, it might just be me. satisfied.gif
post #19965 of 38486
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

Frills, I think you have some competition with this gent:
http://alang.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-10/pi-3516926/ti-567991/s-0/

amazing. now that was a lot of pr0n.
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

There are some collectors out there with really, really, really, really deep pockets...

lol that is you in 10 years.

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Originally Posted by DLJr View Post

If it wasn't for this and the Ercoles thread I'd be struggling to hit 10. I'm a lurker by nature.
This thread has been beyond excellent though, especially the discussion.

this is one of the best threads on SF.
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