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post #18901 of 39053
This watch is definitely on my want list, although i cant decide between the new ceramic model or the older 16710 model.

Do you travel much? I'm curious if people actually use the dual time zone feature.
post #18902 of 39053

I do (for my work), and it's very convenient to be able to adjust the time on your watch without having to move the minute/second hand.

 

Also, a quick look at the third (GMT) hour hand is a lot faster than having to count forwards or backwards when trying to figure out what time it is back home. It's a lot more accurate too!

 

I would suggest getting the ceramic. These things are built to last!

post #18903 of 39053
I know I just laid out last night that I don't like power reserves on automatics, and I still don't... but with a face like this I can't help myself. shog[1].gif

The JLC RdM is IMHO one of the few asymmetric dials that actually work. The right mix of quirky and good proportions, like the Lange 1. I like quirky.

Keep flip flopping between these two... Which one do you guys think comes out on top? The 37mm Master, or the 39mm Master Ultra Thin?

Both look good on my wrist. Not really concerned about the price difference.

comparisonofRdMs-MastervsMUT_zps941f1cfc.jpg

Cheers! smile.gif
Edited by apropos - 3/13/13 at 12:35am
post #18904 of 39053

I love GMT Rolex. biggrin.gif

post #18905 of 39053
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

I know I just laid out last night that I don't like power reserves on automatics, and I still don't... but with a face like this I can't help myself. shog[1].gif

The JLC RdM is IMHO one of the few asymmetric dials that actually work. The right mix of quirky and good proportions, like the Lange 1. I like quirky.

Keep flip flopping between these two... Which one do you guys think comes out on top? The 37mm Master, or the 39mm Master Ultra Thin?

Both look good on my wrist. Not really concerned about the price difference.

comparisonofRdMs-MastervsMUT_zps941f1cfc.jpg

Cheers! smile.gif

Tough. Better symmetry to my eye in the hour markings on the MUT. But, the subdial proportions seem more harmonious on the 37mm to me.
post #18906 of 39053
I like the 39 mm size better, but for some reason I prefer the dial layout/spacing on the 37 mm model. Both great choices though, no wrong answer here.
post #18907 of 39053
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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

I like the 39 mm size better, but for some reason I prefer the dial layout/spacing on the 37 mm model. Both great choices though, no wrong answer here.


And I'm the exact opposite haha. I prefer the 37mm size, but prefer the layout and spacing on the MUT.

 

May I suggest eeny, meeny, miny, moe...

post #18908 of 39053
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post


Cheers! smile.gif

Well certainly you knew I would be responding to this message.

I love the RDM, certainly one of my favorite JLC designs. It was only edged out a little bit by the MUT Moon, and although I am incredibly happy I made the decision I did, this one still pulls at the heartstrings! I agree that it works, and it has a beautiful sense of harmony through asymmetry. One of the best designed watches by JLC.

So, here are the pros and cons that I can think of for the respective models:

Master Ultra Thin Reserve de Marche:

Pros
  • Ultra Thin Case: without a doubt, this case is the bomb dot com. If there is one aspect of my MUT Moon that draws me in, it is the case. It reflects light at all angles, and really just looks spectacular. It definitely dresses up the watch though!
  • Clasp: I cannot say this with 100% conviction, but I am pretty sure that JLC is using a new clasp on these. It feels better machined than the old clasps. The clasp on my MUT Moon is much nicer than the clasp on my former MC.
  • Strap: you get the new straps, which I perceive to be better quality.
  • Symmetric dial: in my opinion, the dial is more agreeable generally than the previous version.
  • Size: I prefer the size of this version--it is thinner, with a thinner looking case (its multi-faceted case makes it look thinner), and a perfect size at 39mm.

Cons
  • Lacks quirkiness: one of my draws to the former model is the quirkiness of the numerals. This also draws people away though, so I guess it depends.
  • Painted hands: 'nuff said; although I do like the color of blue.
  • Crown: just wanted to throw this out there--the crown is kind of small on the new model. It is better machined, and looks to be higher quality, but it is a bit tricky to set the time if you have fat fingers. It is VERY sturdy though. That is just something I would suggest trying out! Aesthetically I prefer the new crown, both size and looks, but it is a bit small to use comfortably in my opinion.

Master Control Reserve de Marche

Pros
  • Quirky: it attains wonderful symmetry through quirkiness. Not many watches have accomplished this feat. I think the dial on the original is one of the most perfectly designed dials ever.
  • Blued hands: or at least I think they are blued.
  • Availability: no longer in production, so this model will soon be unavailable. May have collector appeal further down the road?

Cons
  • Case: the old case is not NEARLY as refined. Can look a bit slab sided.
post #18909 of 39053
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Originally Posted by Allez Allez View Post

This watch is definitely on my want list, although i cant decide between the new ceramic model or the older 16710 model.

Do you travel much? I'm curious if people actually use the dual time zone feature.

I don't travel much.  However, when I travel I really like being able to tell local and home time at a glance.  I have the GMT's sibling, the old 16570 Explorer 2. 

 

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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

I know I just laid out last night that I don't like power reserves on automatics, and I still don't... but with a face like this I can't help myself. shog[1].gif

The JLC RdM is IMHO one of the few asymmetric dials that actually work. The right mix of quirky and good proportions, like the Lange 1. I like quirky.

Keep flip flopping between these two... Which one do you guys think comes out on top? The 37mm Master, or the 39mm Master Ultra Thin?

Both look good on my wrist. Not really concerned about the price difference.

comparisonofRdMs-MastervsMUT_zps941f1cfc.jpg

Cheers! smile.gif

I like asymetric dials.  While I am generally not a fan of taking an existing movement and putting it in a larger case, there are several elements of the 39 that would have me leaning toward it.

 

For intstance, I prefer the hands on the 39mm watch.  In addtion, while having the 9 and 12 is a bit different, I have never really been a huge fan of the font used of Arabic numerals used on the Master series.  Therefore, I prefer not having any Arabics used on the dial.  I also find it a bit less cluttered without the 9, 12, and the word automatique.  My only issue with the 39 is I wish it had a larger winding crown.  Those are very small issues.  Either is a great choice, so it simply comes down to personal preference.  Looking forward to seeing which you eventually choose.

post #18910 of 39053
apropos, i like the 39mm better. the proportions seem to look better to me. (and no lume, lol). both look great tho.
post #18911 of 39053
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

[...] I have never really been a huge fan of the font used of Arabic numerals used on the Master series. [...]
I'm all for typographic pickiness, but those Arabics are one of my favourite features of that series of JLC, as well as the very similar ones on this old Enicar:

post #18912 of 39053
So - need to deadhorse-a.gif for a sec, but since you posted these Apropos = I am still really in a quandary over the Master Geo vs. the FC Manufacture World Time.

I notice you didn't throw the Master Geo into that mix - do you think the city window wrecks the symmetry?

The FC wins on price (obv.) and full world-time capability. But it's really thick, and I'm concerned about the durability of a movement with 3 pin stops and all that complication controlled from a single crown. Should I be? Since both are in-house movements with serious complication, I've resigned myself that even routine service will need to go to the manufacturer (that's the mistake I made years ago with my oris that killed the quickset date). But is the FC going to be more delicate?

I'm going to go try both on again during lunch today. I could walk with the FC this afternoon, but the Master Geo won't arrive in Stainless for a few weeks. Still, worth waiting for if it's the direction I decide to go.
post #18913 of 39053
haven't worn this in a while, but with all the talk of dress watches, blued hands, and JLC I figured why not?

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post #18914 of 39053
great looking watch.
post #18915 of 39053
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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

haven't worn this in a while, but with all the talk of dress watches, blued hands, and JLC I figured why not?

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^ You forgot... lume!! wink.gif

Thanks guys for the feedback re: the M RdM vs the MUT RdM... basically it didn't help a jot with my decision making process. shog[1].giftongue.gif

While I'm rambling on about watches with quirky asymmetric designs that shouldn't work but somehow do, and violating my personal rule about power reserves on automatics... I am very fond of this, but only with the enamel dial. This looks much better IRL. Breguet 7787:



And another quirky design that speaks to me - for which we will have a marked change in gears gentlemen - this thoroughly modern moonphase from Ochs & Junior:



You can order the sun/dial/moon/hands/indicator cutout colours in any Pantone colour. Yes, infinite possibilities here.
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

So - need to deadhorse-a.gif for a sec, but since you posted these Apropos = I am still really in a quandary over the Master Geo vs. the FC Manufacture World Time.

I notice you didn't throw the Master Geo into that mix - do you think the city window wrecks the symmetry?

The FC wins on price (obv.) and full world-time capability. But it's really thick, and I'm concerned about the durability of a movement with 3 pin stops and all that complication controlled from a single crown. Should I be? Since both are in-house movements with serious complication, I've resigned myself that even routine service will need to go to the manufacturer (that's the mistake I made years ago with my oris that killed the quickset date). But is the FC going to be more delicate?

I'm going to go try both on again during lunch today. I could walk with the FC this afternoon, but the Master Geo won't arrive in Stainless for a few weeks. Still, worth waiting for if it's the direction I decide to go.

I'm sorry, but the the Geographic dial just doesn't work for me. The FC World Time doesn't really either.

Most world timers just don't do it for me, as the dial becomes too cluttered in most designs (yes, even the pretty Patek cloisonne one), and at best even with perfect implementation of the cutout window concept if your case size is kept sane the city names are basically illegible to anyone above the age of 50.

If you realise you don't really need a world timer, have you seen the JLC Home Time?

Also this is really more for trivia's sake but the MUT Geographic and Home Time have painted blued hands. The MUT RdM actually has heated blue hands. You can tell them apart by 1. the lighter colour on the painted hands, and 2. the central parts that connect to the stems are always left uncoloured in the painted hands.

Finally - since I mentioned the company earlier, Ochs & Junior also has a 2 time zone watch, named rather appropriately "two time zones". Now how's that for a watch name that tells you everything you need to know!



Completely customisable colours for that watch too.
Edited by apropos - 3/13/13 at 9:01am
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