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Originally Posted by scotchman View Post

I had a quick question...as far as watches go the market has been flooded with many high quality knockoffs of the more popular brands. Cartier, Patek, Rolex (obviously), Tag Heuer, etc...what are your thoughts on buying a knockoff watch? I personally have no problem with someone wearing one, but could definitely see how many people would. Thoughts?

I have no problem with homages, especially if they are not exact replicas with a different logo. But knockoffs? I think it is dishonest, and kind of absurd. I think it says a lot about the person! I think there is a large difference between person who buys a Parnis homage (well, more like a copy, but still) and a fake Panerai. Personally, I would not do either. But I would buy something from Magrette, which makes what could be called "Panerai inspired" watches.

People who buy fakes are buying them for others. I guess I just cannot see a legitimate reason, other than some sort of nouveau riche desire to fit in and show off a certain image.
post #18767 of 38441

^^^ Agree completely.

post #18768 of 38441
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Originally Posted by ~ B ~ View Post

The whole strap apart from the tabs are machine stitched. The edging is crude and uneven. Dont like cordovan, and it didnt fit properly as bespoke would.

Wow, that's disappointing. By 'bespoke', do you mean the strap was made to your measurements?
post #18769 of 38441
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Originally Posted by Kaplan View Post

Wow, that's disappointing. By 'bespoke', do you mean the strap was made to your measurements?

I think he is talking about the Casa Fagliano strap.
post #18770 of 38441
Gotcha. Read it as 'didn't fit like bespoke should'.
post #18771 of 38441
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

I have no problem with homages, especially if they are not exact replicas with a different logo. But knockoffs? I think it is dishonest, and kind of absurd. I think it says a lot about the person! I think there is a large difference between person who buys a Parnis homage (well, more like a copy, but still) and a fake Panerai. Personally, I would not do either. But I would buy something from Magrette, which makes what could be called "Panerai inspired" watches.

People who buy fakes are buying them for others. I guess I just cannot see a legitimate reason, other than some sort of nouveau riche desire to fit in and show off a certain image.

while i agree with your sentiment personally, i think one of the reasons people do it is because they like the look of a certain watch, so they get a fake for fun, because they dont love watches enough to really shell out. its kind of kitch, but some people like them. as i said before, i do not. id rather wear a casio from kmart.
post #18772 of 38441
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

while i agree with your sentiment personally, i think one of the reasons people do it is because they like the look of a certain watch, so they get a fake for fun, because they dont love watches enough to really shell out. its kind of kitch, but some people like them. as i said before, i do not. id rather wear a casio from kmart.

Oh, I definitely agree. Which is why I really have little problem with:



But I have a problem with:



And I guess I have more of a problem with fakes because it hurts the company. I really have no ethical qualms with really... very much in general. But fakes, in my most humble of opinions, soils the integrity and hurts the brand that is being faked. When you have fake rolex's around the market, it hurts the integrity of the brand, harms customers, etc.
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I totally agree as well.

 

In my opinion a watch is a kind of investment, you will probably keep it for the rest of your life.

 

And with this I don't mean spending 4000$/€ on a watch, however, it it worth it to save and buy something decent.

 

For example; Oris is a swiss brand which actually manufactures good watches for a reasonable price.

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Originally Posted by scotchman View Post

I had a quick question...as far as watches go the market has been flooded with many high quality knockoffs of the more popular brands. Cartier, Patek, Rolex (obviously), Tag Heuer, etc...what are your thoughts on buying a knockoff watch? I personally have no problem with someone wearing one, but could definitely see how many people would. Thoughts?

 

I dislike them for several reasons. People (not all) but many buy them and try to pass them off as the real thing, to impress friends, colleagues, and business associates. I really find that entire aspect of fake watches and fake people who wear them distasteful. In addition, it is stealing someone else's idea or design, not paying them for it, and then passing off junk as the real thing. I would be furious if I designed something, worked hard to build an item/brand into something iconic, and then some sleazeball made cheap copies to make fortunes from my hardwork. How would you feel? Beyond that in recent years there have been several articles about organized crime, terrorist groups and deadly extremist groups funding their horrific enterprises and deadly acts through their involvement in the sale and trade of fake items such as watches, handbags, pharmaceuticals, etc. So when people say what harm is it to buy a fake Rolex, Cartier, Tag, Patek, etc...I wonder if they would feel the same way knowing that their fake watches helped purchase weapons that were used to slaughter and kill innocent people? As for replica watches, while I don't care for them they are from legitimate brands rather than criminal enterprises. Personally, I love watches, but I would not be happy with a fake. I would rather have something simple, tasteful, affordable, and authentic. If I had to choose less expensive watches maybe I would choose things like Swatch, Mondaine, Seiko, and others that have their own DNA.
Edited by Dino944 - 3/7/13 at 7:14pm
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bravo
post #18776 of 38441
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Originally Posted by Dapper Edition View Post

I totally agree as well.

 

In my opinion a watch is a kind of investment, you will probably keep it for the rest of your life.

 

And with this I don't mean spending 4000$/€ on a watch, however, it it worth it to save and buy something decent.

 

For example; Oris is a swiss brand which actually manufactures good watches for a reasonable price.

 

Oris - good brand and solid watches, but their prices have crept up there.  The one Oris chrono I have retailed for over $4k.  I paid less than half of that, but still...

 

Hamlton and Longines offer very good bang for the buck in mechanical watches, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

 

I dislike them for several reasons. People (not all) but many buy them and try to pass them off as the real thing, to impress friends, colleagues, and business associates. I really find that entire aspect of fake watches and fake people who wear them distasteful. 

It really is interesting to see how prevalent this is.  When I bought my GMT2C, the first thing my co-workers said was "is it real?".  I was actually taken aback by that - it had honestly never even occurred to me that people would do that...and I was more than a bit offended that they thought I might buy a fake to try to impress them.

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Originally Posted by apropos View Post


I wish you all the very best with your venture, and will keep an eye on your marque!



Thank you apropos! It is not easy starting a watch brand from scratch, but it is an ardent passion of mine and one that I will see through regardless of the time and effort required.

Every single word of encouragement means a great deal. And if any of you have any feedback, please let me know.

After all, how often do you get to directly speak to a watch brand's owner, founder, or designer? And witness horological history in the making?

Imagine 30 years from now... smile.gif
post #18779 of 38441
On a related note, I'd like to ask all of you on preferences on watch dials. I have the opportunity to produce 3 dial colours for my first run of 200 pieces.

The colours I have settled on tentatively are cream, midnight blue and imperial red. The latter two are very rarely seen on fine watches.

Racing green is another possibility that merits consideration.

Here are some examples.



Notice on the midnight blue dial, the difference between the dial colour and the surrounding black background. You can certainly see that the dial is indeed blue. This is the only watch I have ever seen with such a dial colour. Coincidentally, it is also a Chinese watch.





And my design of the Premier for reference. The dial signature will be changed from this render.

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One of the chief sources of inspiration for my Premier - the Wuyi from 1958, China's first serially-produced watch.

This watch inspired me to recreate its spectacular guilloché textured plum blossom dial.



Still keeps chronometric time after 55 years of faithful service.

CELADON honours our ancestors!
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