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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

 

But you've stopped buying watches for a while, I remember that.  I mean, after you bought the "endgame" watch...with a bonus extra watch for Madame.  Yep.  Can quite clearly see that your appetite is sated.  No problem here at all.  Who needs that house in the Hamptons anyway? crackup%5B1%5D.gif

 

My response to these assertions, dear mimo, is.... yes. biggrin.gif

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Thank you. Me too!

Well it's a bespoke dial so it's going to be an enamel painting of my beloved dog. I'm doing another one with a traditional Chinese painting with calligraphy.

Wow, thats a real cool idea.

 

 

Both real good choices.

 

I hope to see some pictures of these watches in the near future.

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Super long post, took time to read through every reply over the last week instead of skimming through photos!!
I... see what you did there. snork[1].gif

Nice!! Oh man. My wife to be would kill me if I ever surprised her with a perpetual calendar.

 

apropos, many thanks as always for the direct replies. Hehe. Well, you see my point about the rubber, but dddrees swears it's the most comfortable strap he's ever experienced.  I have to confess that I actually haven't tried on an Aquanaut.  Possibly hazardous to my wallet.

 

RE: 5136/1J.  She loves it.  I guess that's the point of all this!

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

apropos, many thanks as always for the direct replies. Hehe. Well, you see my point about the rubber, but dddrees swears it's the most comfortable strap he's ever experienced.  I have to confess that I actually haven't tried on an Aquanaut.  Possibly hazardous to my wallet.

 

RE: 5136/1J.  She loves it.  I guess that's the point of all this!

Ok, so I initially missed the joke.baldy[1].gif

 

 

However I assure you, it has to be the most comfortable watch I have ever worn.

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Hamilton jumps the shark. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Yes that is not one but two ETA movements in a watch that you have to physically flip around - you only see one dial and movement back at any one time.
Cherry on top of this? It's 53mm across.
So... basically it's a Reverso that rides the short bus? I'd love to see if watch #888 is ever sold.

:barf:
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I find that quite revolting.  Here's something I found pretty, to take your mind off it. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


:swoon:
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Originally Posted by ~ B ~ View Post

Stitches - Yes Wempe. How did you guess?

i recalled the window dressing instantly. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by ~ B ~ View Post

Thank you Stitches, I agree that the movement finishing could be improved. But it's still early days. The layout of the calibre itself is very nice, so that's a good start.

enjoy it, its cool and unique and pretty.
post #18696 of 39301
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Originally Posted by ~ B ~ View Post

Well JLC and Patek to my knowledge both get their enamel dials done by the same workshop in Europe, as do almost all Swiss/German watch brands. From what I have seen comparing the two workshops in Switzerland and Beijing, the Chinese one uses thinner gold wire, thus yielding finer detail. Ultimately, it depends on the painting chosen on whether this quality is apparent to the naked eye and loupe.

I am pretty sure JLC does its enamelling in-house at Le Sentier - at least I am sure they do so for peinture sur émail (painted enamel) - which is led by the incomparable Miklos Merczel. Cannot speak for whether their cloisonne work is outsourced.

I think the other big house that led the way for in-house enamelling is VC, but I am not sure if that is a current thing with them.

For the benefit of everyone else here are some examples in lieu of a lengthy explanation as to why I rate the JLC enamelworks very highly. Remember this is all done in vitreous (as in glass) enamel - everything is done with the consideration that the end product has to survive being fired in a jeweler's kiln.



This is not widely known, but only gold cases can have vitreous enamel applied to them. Steel JLCs have epoxy resins applied to them and are then baked at a much lower temperatures. Which is nice in its own way, but not quite at the same level as vitreous enamel in terms of depth, beauty or difficulty. Thankfully not cost either though.

Your friendly neighbourhood JLC boutique or AD is likely to refer to either process as "enameling", and while a little misleading they are not technically wrong - one is vitreous enameling, the other cold enameling.

Sometimes they more accurately refer to the process for steel JLCs as "lacquering". This is cold enamel:


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Originally Posted by ~ B ~ View Post

No please, give all the feedback you can! I truly appreciate it as that is the only way we can improve. I will be using actual celadon and Yixing clay as a dial in my watches and will be sourcing this from the fourth-generation artisan who makes my handmade tea ware, which is then shipped to the north of China to be assembled in the watches. Lacquer will be a possibility as well in future. I have discussed this with the makers and it is no problem.

MOP is a cinch, it has been done in watches costing 200 USD even. Fine porcelain has also already been done by the makers working for me - I think the result is incredible.

My intention all along was to tie Chinese watchmaking with other ancient fine traditions like marquetry as you mentioned, porcelain ware, ink and brush painting and poetry et al. China has a long history of watch and clock making stretching back 600 years, and the modern history began in 1955 with four old watchmakers assembling a single piece freehand with no prior designs in a little room in Tianjin.

Also, I wanted to add that the watches shown above are my own personal watches commissioned with the maker. While I will be using these same movements in the watches of my CELADON brand, I wanted to test the watches firsthand and only if they pass my standards do they deserve a place in the pantheon of Maison CELADON.

I wish you all the very best with your venture, and will keep an eye on your marque! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Kaplan View Post

So, are you having your SF avatar engraved on the back?

That's actually a pretty good (if crazy) idea, but I sadly don't print money... shog[1].gif

Anyway, since I'm on a bit of a didactic roll, here are some examples of engraving on JLCs... I'll leave it up to you guys to decide who does the finer work. peepwall[1].gif

JLC Le Sentier:



J.C. Randell:



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Interesting. See, I actually prefer the 5140. Although I do love the 3940, the 5140 feels more balanced in regards to the north-south, and east-west orientations. I find the "north" of the 3940 to be a little bit stark and empty.

This is probably going to sound really stupid, but perhaps some numbers can help me? I feel like with the 5140, you have a "2" on the west, and a "2" on the east (with "1" being the standard unit of measurement. It is just supposed to be a proportional analysis). Additionally, with the north you have a "1" with the bigger text, and the south a "3" with the bigger moonphase. I feel like the north-south and east-west are balanced, even though the south of the dial is more occupied than the north.

As for the 3940, I will give east and west a "2," and the north maybe a ".75" and the south a "2.5."

I don't think this made any sense. But I swear in my head it sounds good. Also, I find the "busy"-ness of the moonphase in the 3940 to be a bit overwhelming in lieu of the simplicity of the other subdials.

This is, of course, picking the pickiest of nits.

Have you checked out the new 2013 JLC Master Perpetual Calendar? Would be interested in your thoughts about its "balance".
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Thoughts on these watches, the Haldimann H9 and H10.

H9:
H10:

Talk about jumping the shark! These are something you get after you have EVERYTHING else.
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Originally Posted by kungapa View Post

Thoughts on these watches, the Haldimann H9 and H10.

H9: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 


H10: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 



Talk about jumping the shark! These are something you get after you have EVERYTHING else.

Too unconventual, and it would draw too much unwanted attention for me to ever seriously consider it.

post #18699 of 39301
great post, apropos. JLC is as good as it gets when it comes to enameling and engraving. unreal craftsmanship.
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post


I am pretty sure JLC does its enamelling in-house at Le Sentier - at least I am sure they do so for peinture sur émail (painted enamel) - which is led by the incomparable Miklos Merczel. Cannot speak for whether their cloisonne work is outsourced.

I think the other big house that led the way for in-house enamelling is VC, but I am not sure if that is a current thing with them.

For the benefit of everyone else here are some examples in lieu of a lengthy explanation as to why I rate the JLC enamelworks very highly. Remember this is all done in vitreous (as in glass) enamel - everything is done with the consideration that the end product has to survive being fired in a jeweler's kiln.



This is not widely known, but only gold cases can have vitreous enamel applied to them. Steel JLCs have epoxy resins applied to them and are then baked at a much lower temperatures. Which is nice in its own way, but not quite at the same level as vitreous enamel in terms of depth, beauty or difficulty. Thankfully not cost either though.

Your friendly neighbourhood JLC boutique or AD is likely to refer to either process as "enameling", and while a little misleading they are not technically wrong - one is vitreous enameling, the other cold enameling.

Sometimes they more accurately refer to the process for steel JLCs as "lacquering". This is cold enamel:


I wish you all the very best with your venture, and will keep an eye on your marque! smile.gif
That's actually a pretty good (if crazy) idea, but I sadly don't print money... shog[1].gif

Anyway, since I'm on a bit of a didactic roll, here are some examples of engraving on JLCs... I'll leave it up to you guys to decide who does the finer work. peepwall[1].gif

JLC Le Sentier:



J.C. Randell:


Have you checked out the new 2013 JLC Master Perpetual Calendar? Would be interested in your thoughts about its "balance".

Wow, now these are just simply gorgeous.

 

 I've had the opportunity to see some watches with enameling on them, and they've just blown my socks off.

 

Thanks for posting these.

post #18701 of 39301
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
Anyway, since I'm on a bit of a didactic roll, here are some examples of engraving on JLCs... I'll leave it up to you guys to decide who does the finer work. peepwall[1].gif
 

 

Wow. These are really beautiful. Thanks for posting these!

post #18702 of 39301
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

Have you checked out the new 2013 JLC Master Perpetual Calendar? Would be interested in your thoughts about its "balance".

Ahhh how apropos, just finished reading SJX's little blurb on the piece:

http://www.watchesbysjx.com/2013/03/photo-essay-jlc-master-calendar-sihh.html

Now a picture for reference:



I think this is a perfect example of what I mean by "balance." I feel like on this watch, to use the same analogy, we have a east-west of "1", and a north-south of "3". By including the arabic numerals, the JLC name, and the day / month subdials, there is a nice balance to the moonphase.

I think that this is one of the most beautiful aspects of the original Master Reserve de Marche. With some pieces, JLC really manages to hit it out of the park.



The inclusion of the arabic 9 and the applied marker on the "northwest" part of the dial somehow provides balance to the asymmetrical dial, and it does so in an undeniably quirky way. Unfortunately, some of that quirkiness is lost in the newer model in my opinion, which is a bit unfortunate.
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Also apropos, thanks for the pictures, very cool.

And Kungpapa--I like the original Haldimann you posted, but the most recent version... not so much. Regardless, I would worry about service down the road.

Finally, frills--I do not think I said it in the first post, but that is one hell of a beautiful watch. If you ever think of adopting, I would be more than willing to be an adult adoptee.
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post


^ That one has a slight Manara vibe

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^^ oh my ! THAT is watch pr0n ^^

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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

Ahhh how apropos, just finished reading SJX's little blurb on the piece: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
http://www.watchesbysjx.com/2013/03/photo-essay-jlc-master-calendar-sihh.html
Now a picture for reference:

I think this is a perfect example of what I mean by "balance." I feel like on this watch, to use the same analogy, we have a east-west of "1", and a north-south of "3". By including the arabic numerals, the JLC name, and the day / month subdials, there is a nice balance to the moonphase.
I think that this is one of the most beautiful aspects of the original Master Reserve de Marche. With some pieces, JLC really manages to hit it out of the park.

The inclusion of the arabic 9 and the applied marker on the "northwest" part of the dial somehow provides balance to the asymmetrical dial, and it does so in an undeniably quirky way. Unfortunately, some of that quirkiness is lost in the newer model in my opinion, which is a bit unfortunate.

sidebar - if you can look at these pictures, and not fall in love with watches, you need your head examined.
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