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post #18076 of 35738
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

That's the AP Dual Time. It used a JLC movement as a base, and it has also been used in ROs and VCs Overseas Dual Time.

It's a top quality watch and great for travel. I find its crown & lugs a tad small, but that's just personal taste.

As for AP going outside the mainstream, they've been on the cutting edge of use of different materials for at least 2 decades. While many people theses days are more familiar with their sports watches, they continue to make some great dress watches, some time only, others very complicated. Only you can decide if a vintage dual time dress watch is right for you.

Thanks. That's good information. I was curious whose movement they use. I'm just concerned $11k is a little overpriced for this watch. I saw that a similar piece sold at auction in 2009 for $6,000. Love the classic elegance, though. This style of watch is right up my alley.

This Chopard Perpetual Calendar was another recent acquisition. It uses a JLC base movement, also.

Chopard Luna d'Oro

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post #18077 of 35738
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Originally Posted by Kaplan View Post

I'm usually not a big fan of Daytonas, but wow.
On second thought, "wow" is right. That thing's completely untouched. I'd still take one with a PN dial over it, but it's insane cash for those.
post #18078 of 35738
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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post


Who's the maker of the strap?

 

http://www.natostrap.com/Home/Custom_Handmade_Straps/Custom_Handmade_Straps.html

post #18079 of 35738
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

On second thought, "wow" is right. That thing's completely untouched. I'd still take one with a PN dial over it, but it's insane cash for those.

 

Ah yes.  One of my trusted dealers showed me a PN Daytona a few weeks ago for a modest price of $55,000.

post #18080 of 35738
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


Definitely nice, but this is the vintage Daytona to have:




Photo: Dr. Strong

Make mine the one with the black bezel, please!

 

Oi, Belligero you find the best collages.  It's like you have a thing for aesthetics and balance or something.  What is up with that? cheers.gif

post #18081 of 35738
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Originally Posted by kirbya View Post

Thanks. That's good information. I was curious whose movement they use. I'm just concerned $11k is a little overpriced for this watch. I saw that a similar piece sold at auction in 2009 for $6,000. Love the classic elegance, though. This style of watch is right up my alley.

This Chopard Perpetual Calendar was another recent acquisition. It uses a JLC base movement, also.

Chopard Luna d'Oro

 

I am in love with the aesthetics of perpetual calendars.  How does that Chopard feel on your wrist?  Does it wear slightly tall or does it slip into your cuff fairly easily?  Obviously this depends on the shirt you're wearing...

 

I've been to some auctions and my concern is always provenance and quality.  Sure, pieces might clear for what seems to be an outrageously low price (although sometimes they clear for outrageously high prices, haha), but then you have to verify quality and where it came from, etc. I guess that's what I pay dealers for, to guarantee said provenance and quality with a 1 or 2-year warranty.

post #18082 of 35738
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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post

When was this? Time to visit an AP store.

Within the last month, prices on all of their gold watches were reduced. Not sure if prices on their platinum pieces were also reduced. Prices on steel watches remain unchanged.
post #18083 of 35738
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post


Within the last month, prices on all of their gold watches were reduced. Not sure if prices on their platinum pieces were also reduced. Prices on steel watches remain unchanged.

 

Yes, definitely gold.  Unsure about platinum.  I want to say it was only about a week ago, but rumors had been floating around for at least a month.

post #18084 of 35738
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

AP's recent decision to slash prices for their precious metal pieces by anywhere from 15 to 30% isn't going to help brand perception (and I'm glad I didn't purchase a precious metal AP over the last year, otherwise I'd be fuming and demanding a small refund), but perhaps it can pave the way for others to enjoy the superb quality that this watchmaker does offer.

IIRC, the true drop is 17%.  Some people have then tried figuring if the got a discount based on the new price, how much they might have saved...but most got large discount on the gold pieces.  Its my understanding, the cost on APs to dealers have gone up by 10% so with a drop in MSRP, it will cut the deep discounting on gold models.  Also, AP is doing what Cartier and Rolex did in the last few years and is closing many smaller/deep discouting ADs world wide.  

 

As for brand perception, it probably won't have much affect.  They have tremendous brand loyalty among customers(maybe more so than any other brand other than Rolex, with many owners owning several APs). Not sure if anyone here on SF was following AP about 4-5 years ago, but anyone that did may remember they had price reduction on steel watches in 2009.  For example all the sudden the RO chronograph dropped from about $19,400 to $16,000+/-.  Within 2 years prices on all steel APs were nearly at the pre-price drop level and by last year all prices had greatly exceeded it, and the RO chronographs were around $23,000.  Most people don't even remember the price drop.  If someone had to sell a watch immediately after the price drop it sucked for them, but if they held on to the watch for a few years it became irrelevant as prices rebounded. 

 

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

Yes, definitely gold.  Unsure about platinum.  I want to say it was only about a week ago, but rumors had been floating around for at least a month.

 Quick research I saw said its only on gold models, and not on any limited editions.  Rumors began in January, but were confirmed by the last week of January.

post #18085 of 35738
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Originally Posted by kirbya View Post


Thanks. That's good information. I was curious whose movement they use. I'm just concerned $11k is a little overpriced for this watch. I saw that a similar piece sold at auction in 2009 for $6,000. Love the classic elegance, though. This style of watch is right up my alley.

This Chopard Perpetual Calendar was another recent acquisition. It uses a JLC base movement, also.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Chopard Luna d'Oro

 

 That is a beautiful Chopard!  Very cool retrograde date too! 

 

I think you need to try to do more research regarding the price of the AP Dual Time.  I don't see them come up for sale too often, but a single auction result from 3-4 years ago doesn't really give much guidance.  Auction results can help with setting some parameters, but items can often sell for less than their real market value if a seller is in a hurry and the right buyer isn't at that auction, or a piece can sell for far more than its worth if a few buyers get worked up into a frenzy over the same piece.  

 

I think $11,000 might be a bit high, but $6,000 is probably quite low.  I'm far from an expert but I'd hazzard a guess that you should be able to negotiate it for a price of maybe $8,000-9,000. 

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A quick check on eBay and I found 2 examples of the AP Dual Time dress watch from the 90s.  One for $9,000 OBO, the other for $9,700 OBO. 

So with some negotiating I would think in the $8-9K range is not unreasonable for a top quality watch.

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

On second thought, "wow" is right. That thing's completely untouched. I'd still take one with a PN dial over it, but it's insane cash for those.

Anybody wanna take a guess at the price of the 6265?
post #18088 of 35738
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

I am in love with the aesthetics of perpetual calendars.

 

Really? I wonder what the little voices in your head might be telling you...decisions.gif

post #18089 of 35738
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

It looks like it's from the right period, so it could well be original as they did sell some Explorers on Jubilé. Agreed that gilt dials are the hawtness.
Philipp Stahl's Explorer-dialed big-crown 6538 Submariner is the ultimate gilt-dial watch on the planet, at least in my opinion: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Photos: Phillip Stahl
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

Definitely nice, but this is the vintage Daytona to have: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Photo: Dr. Strong
Make mine the one with the black bezel, please!

these are all amazing. so is the one in kaplans link. yeesh.

kirbya - i quite like both of those watches. dont know much about AP pricing, but i would have guessed that 11k for a gold model like that is not all that bad. looks like i would have been wrong. otoh, with pre-owned, its worth whatever you can get for it really.

what else do you have in the collection? also, im a huge sucker for retograde anything.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

kirbya - i quite like both of those watches. dont know much about AP pricing, but i would have guessed that 11k for a gold model like that is not all that bad. looks like i would have been wrong. otoh, with pre-owned, its worth whatever you can get for it really.

 

 I think the pricing on that 90s AP would be low because it wasn't a hugely popular model (the RO version was more in demand) and the crown and lugs being on the small side date the watch a bit.  Other than that, if one likes the design its probably a great value as the modern versions of that are close to $30K.

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