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post #17716 of 34992
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 but would just like to clarify that I did not mean to condescend Rolex owners, and it was actually apropos who proposed a dichotomy between owners of certain Rolex models vs others.

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The goal of my posts was to push back on the pro-Rolex arguments based on the brand's superiority to peer brands like IWC, JLC, GO. Basically I was analyzing the Rolex "brand" in the abstract and suggesting that it (i) may not be especially desirable in some contexts and (ii) may actually be in decline in comparison with some of the peer brands.   I was embracing the stigma that many people (increasingly?) associate with Rolex and took a shot at giving it a rational articulation.

 

Did not mean to embarrass Rolex owners in any way, but rather to throw another point of view into the mix. I think it's amusing how whenever Rolex is discussed, the given venue invariably develops a groupthink one way or another; Rolex has to be either completely tacky and shameful or it's the only valid choice of a true connoisseur.

I do respect the notion of wearing what you want strictly for personal pleasure without worrying about how you are perceived by others. To me, it's not so simple. I'm not under any delusion that I'll make friends or win respect through my choice of clothes and/or watches, but I do view both as an expression of my taste, knowledge, and personality to some degree, and I also try to be careful about associating myself with conspicuous or controversial brands that could attract unwanted judgment. On whether a watch is something that would realistically ever be noticed, I guess we all have to form our own thoughts on that based on our environments and experiences with having our watches noticed. I know from personal experience that I was well aware of both the Rolex brand and the designs of Rolex watches many years before I had any interest or knowledge about any other watches, having heard the name so often referenced in TV/film/music and having been exposed to their ubiquitous magazine/billboard advertising since childhood.

 Hi Johan,

 

Sorry about mixing up who made the comment regarding owners based on the type of Rolex they own.

 

Not sure how what you said would embarrass an owner of a Rolex.  I felt no embarrassment based on anything you wrote.  Although, I disagree with several of your ideas or the frat boy McMansion theories, I rather enjoyed your writing.   

 

Rolex is a very polarizing brand...people like their watches or they hate them.  There is no right or wrong, we all have personal preferences. 

 

Yes, our clothes, watches, cars, etc. do say something about our taste, personality, and style.  However, allowing concern about judgment of others to influence our decisons can cause one to make safe but bland choices in both style and life.

 

As for your awareness of Rolex as brand due to tv/film and advertising, I am sure younger generations are/will be more aware of other brands (than we were at their ages.  Other brands have made greater efforts to gain exposure through TV, movies, and brand placement such as Omega in recent Bond films and sponsoring the Olympics,  Panerais in the Expendables and Transporter movies, and IWC in The Bourne Legacy, Vanilla Sky, and the new Hawaii 5-0.  What younger generations will feel about these brands or Rolex, we will have to wait and see.

 

I enjoyed reading your perspective.  Thanks for sharing some interesting thoughts with us.

post #17717 of 34992
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Originally Posted by dbln79 View Post

Really learning a lot from this thread!

 

THAT is a lovely JLC.

post #17718 of 34992
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Originally Posted by Kaplan View Post

Full, unspoilered quote because the pics are nice and because titanium is such a nice match for the Luminor case

 +1

 

I love how the Luminor case looks in titanium!

post #17719 of 34992
Guys, I apologise if any things I have mentioned have caused any offence. I will keep posts like that to a minimum from now on to preclude causing offense. I really enjoy the flow and exchanges found on this thread and would prefer its ecosystem remain intact! smile.gif

Anyway, I spent some time today with some Parmagiani Fleurier watches... while an incredibly annoying watch salesman literally hovered around me.

I have little experience with PF aside from a vague idea of their existence from the occasional watch ad, the particular AD I was at did not stock them just a year or so ago, yet now there was literally a smorgasbord of Parmagiani watches arrayed out in front of me, probably 30+ watches in a huge display case.

This brand has a somewhat schizophrenic collection, with watches running the gamut from big chunky chronographs which reminded me of some Corums or Hublots, to some rather inelegantly executed tonneaus, to some incredibly elegant simple dress pieces - the "Tonda 1950"s.

One in particular caught my eye - the version with the black dial has a beautiful depth to it which I do not know how to describe. The lugs with their wider inter-lug width were a pleasure to examine, and they avoided a problem I think plagues some modern dress watches - when upsizing the case width the lug width does not follow and I feel that it upsets the proportions somewhat. I prefer a wider lug width, and consider the 20mm with the 36mm Explorer 1 a good combination.



So clearly there are some independent companies that don't get much exposure on this thread. PP aside, does anyone actually own anything from a (non-PP) independent that is a recased ebauche?

I know GDL has his Dornblueths, which I exclude from the aforementioned movement recasers category because of their beautiful Ship of Theseus Unitas movements - and with the recent release of their first in-house movement (that actually introduces some innovations... i.e. not just reinventing the wheel!) I now believe them to be truly credible watchmakers in every sense of the word. And I recall another member once launched us into a discussion about Sarpaneva... which are beautiful watches but alas not to my taste.

So, again - PP aside, does anyone actually own anything from (lesser known) independents that are not movement finishers/recasers?
Edited by apropos - 2/5/13 at 6:51am
post #17720 of 34992
Normally I'm not a fan of Parmagiani, mostly because their designs don't speak to me, but this watch here is very nice. I do hear great things about their case finishing and quality as a whole though..
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post


Anyway, I spent some time today with some Parmagiani Fleurier watches... while an incredibly annoying watch salesman literally hovered around me.

This brand confuses me. I have little experience with it, the particular AD I was at did not stock them just a year or so ago, yet now there was literally a smorgasbord of Parmagiani watches arrayed out in front of me, probably 30+ watches in a huge display case.

The watches ran the gamut from ugly big chunky chronographs which reminded me of some Corums, some rather inelegant tonneau cased watches, to some incredibly elegant simple pieces - the "Tonda 1950"s.

One in particular caught my eye - the version with the black dial has a beautiful depth to it which I do not know how to describe. The lugs with their wider inter-lug width were a pleasure to examine, and they avoided a problem I think plagues some modern dress watches - when upsizing the case width the lug width does not follow and I feel that it upsets the proportions somewhat. I prefer a wider lug width, and consider the 20mm with the 36mm Explorer 1 a good combination.


post #17721 of 34992
apropos - no offense taken. it was a good convo. smile.gif
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while i dont own any independents, and im not even sure if they are, there are some jaquet droz that i would like to get my hands on.
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Came across a picture of this AP... Beautiful!

And no Indy's here... I would love to get my hands on a Voutilainen or a Dufour at some point thought! Or a Journe, provided I have enough money to repair 'em.

Also, some nice vintage pr0n, http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/vintage-watch-spotting-the-miami-antiques-show
post #17723 of 34992
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

Guys, I apologise if any things I have mentioned have caused any offence. I will keep posts like that to a minimum from now on to preclude causing offense. I really enjoy the flow and exchanges found on this thread and would prefer its ecosystem remain intact! smile.gif

Anyway, I spent some time today with some Parmagiani Fleurier watches... while an incredibly annoying watch salesman literally hovered around me.

This brand has a somewhat schizophrenic collection, with watches running the gamut from big chunky chronographs which reminded me of some Corums or Hublots, to some rather inelegantly executed tonneaus, to some incredibly elegant simple dress pieces - the "Tonda 1950"s.

One in particular caught my eye - the version with the black dial has a beautiful depth to it which I do not know how to describe. The lugs with their wider inter-lug width were a pleasure to examine, and they avoided a problem I think plagues some modern dress watches - when upsizing the case width the lug width does not follow and I feel that it upsets the proportions somewhat. I prefer a wider lug width, and consider the 20mm with the 36mm Explorer 1 a good combination.
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So clearly there are some independent companies that don't get much exposure on this thread. PP aside, does anyone actually own anything from a (non-PP) independent that is a recased ebauche?

I know GDL has his Dornblueths, which I exclude from the aforementioned movement recasers category because of their beautiful Ship of Theseus Unitas movements - and with the recent release of their first in-house movement (that actually introduces some innovations... i.e. not just reinventing the wheel!) I now believe them to be truly credible watchmakers in every sense of the word. And I recall another member once launched us into a discussion about Sarpaneva... which are beautiful watches but alas not to my taste.

So, again - PP aside, does anyone actually own anything from (lesser known) independents that are not movement finishers/recasers?

 

I don't think there was anything to apologize for in your posts.  I found your post amusing and was kidding about it.  We should be able to express ideas and opinions about watches honestly or there will be a loss in the overall value of opinions here on SF.  

 

I like the Parmagiani pictured above.  Its a clean, modern interpretation of a dress watch.  I agree with your description of their collection being schizophrenic.  For years their collection was all over the place and lacked direction.  My friend's brother inherited a Parmagiani, and he likes it, but its a design that doesn't really appeal to me.

 

An acquaintance showed me his Peter Speake-Marin.  Overall, I thought it was very nice, but when I found out that I think its base movement was something from ETA, I was less interested in it at that price range.  I don't mind if a brand/independent uses someone else's movement (Lemania, JLC, Piaget, F. Piguet etc), but onece a watch is in a certain price range, I'd prefer something other than an ETA product. 

post #17724 of 34992
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

while i dont own any independents, and im not even sure if they are, there are some jaquet droz that i would like to get my hands on.

IIRC Jaquet Droz is part of Swatch Group. 

post #17725 of 34992
Yes, this is very true. Some topics tend to get others very fired up, but as long as we can agree that this is a forum and differences in opinions are what make this particular thread really great, then there's really no need to apologize. Everyone's entitled to their own opinon/style (sorry for all the cliches), and I'm really enjoying the different styles here and really am learning a lot!


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I don't think there was anything to apologize for in your posts.  I found your post amusing and was kidding about it.  We should be able to express ideas and opinions about watches honestly or there will be a loss in the overall value of opinions here on SF.  


Had no idea about this in regards to PSM - that's.. disappointing to hear IMO.
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An acquaintance showed me his Peter Speake-Marin.  Overall, I thought it was very nice, but when I found out that I think its base movement was something from ETA, I was less interested in it at that price range.  I don't mind if a brand/independent uses someone else's movement (Lemania, JLC, Piaget, F. Piguet etc), but onece a watch is in a certain price range, I'd prefer something other than an ETA product. 
post #17726 of 34992
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

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I like the watches and all but the best part is the blue melange sweater. What is that?
post #17727 of 34992
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

IIRC Jaquet Droz is part of Swatch Group. 

indeed you are correct. still, there are a few i quite like. smile.gif
post #17728 of 34992
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Originally Posted by Axelman 17 View Post

I like the watches and all but the best part is the blue melange sweater. What is that?

sad news for you....
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

From defunct Nom de Guerre. Circa 2008-09, IIRC
post #17729 of 34992
Apropos,

While I don't own one yet, I am a fan of some of Journe's creations. I believe they would qualify smile.gif
post #17730 of 34992
So, again - PP aside, does anyone actually own anything from (lesser known) independents that are not movement finishers/recasers? [/quote]

I purchased a Nomos Taganomat a couple of months ago, I think Nomos would be considered an independent. The finish on the case is nice, the movement finishing is great. I haven't measured the accuracy but I haven't had to adjust the time in months. I can't comment on the reliability or any issues with servicing it yet since I haven't had it for long. So far it's one of my favorite purchases, hence the avatar picture.

I don't know anything about PF, but the pic you posted was gorgeous.
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