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Hi Frill,

 

 

I do like this nick, given my handle! :)

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I do like this nick, given my handle! :)

Seemed better than cutting it down to "No."  biggrin.gif

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That's an amazing history of the resulting equilbrium price given fluctuating supply and demand. 

 

Yeah, I don't think I'll be focused on resale value per se.  I'm looking for a good, reliable, tough chronograph, great workmanship and aesthetics.  I don't want to be a sucker and overpay for it, so I'll try to get one for a good price given attendant support (warranty, relationship with AD or grey market dealer, etc) - but I intend to use it and enjoy it.

Yea...I got into Daytonas just as they became popular and so I've seen the changes in price both retail and in the used market.

 

I bought mine to enjoy and if they've gone up in value since I bought them, thats great, but if they didn't they would just be a great watch that I enjoy.

 

My Dad bought a Daytona in 2009 (when the list price was $9,500) and with some negotiating he got a 5% discount from an AD.  Although that AD lost its franchise about 2 years later.  Rolex seems to be taking away Rolex accounts from smaller independent dealers that used to discount and opening accounts with big chains that refuse to discount.  So wishing you luck with discounts.  In the end, even on pieces like Daytonas that I bought new for full retail, eventually the prices went so far beyond what I paid that it has carried the prices of my now pre-owned watches well beyond what I paid (thats just some icing on the cake).  However, they would still be great watches that I've enjoyed wearing even if they were worth a bit less than I paid, which happens with most brands.

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Thinking of going Grand Seiko for my first "real" piece. I was thinking of a 116200 Datejust, but the finishing on the GS is as good (if not better) than a Rolex, plus it'll be significantly more low-key. Thoughts? Has anyone here handled or own a GS?

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Seemed better than cutting it down to "No."  biggrin.gif
Yea...I got into Daytonas just as they became popular and so I've seen the changes in price both retail and in the used market.

I bought mine to enjoy and if they've gone up in value since I bought them, thats great, but if they didn't they would just be a great watch that I enjoy.

My Dad bought a Daytona in 2009 (when the list price was $9,500) and with some negotiating he got a 5% discount from an AD.  Although that AD lost its franchise about 2 years later.  Rolex seems to be taking away Rolex accounts from smaller independent dealers that used to discount and opening accounts with big chains that refuse to discount.  So wishing you luck with discounts.  In the end, even on pieces like Daytonas that I bought new for full retail, eventually the prices went so far beyond what I paid that it has carried the prices of my now pre-owned watches well beyond what I paid (thats just some icing on the cake).  However, they would still be great watches that I've enjoyed wearing even if they were worth a bit less than I paid, which happens with most brands.

Dino - appreciate the analysis on Daytona pricing above. I was just speculating that they might be harder to move right now due to anticipation of the new iteration after Basel. I think you're right that the market has settled on $10-10.5k as a fair price for a mint/LNIB version. On a separate note, I think that mint/LNIB going rate is a good benchmark for assessing value and depreciation for any watch, as it helps cut through the distribution/pricing games the brands are increasingly playing, as many/most of the LNIB versions are leaked onto the grey market by ADs unable or afraid to officially discount.
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Thinking of going Grand Seiko for my first "real" piece. I was thinking of a 116200 Datejust, but the finishing on the GS is as good (if not better) than a Rolex, plus it'll be significantly more low-key. Thoughts? Has anyone here handled or own a GS?
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I'm a big fan of GS and would pick the version you posted over the 116200 or the 41mm equivalent smooth bezel DJ. Over any of those I would personally choose the beautiful and classic 116234 36mm DJ with fluted bezel and either jubilee bracelet or croc strap.
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Thinking of going Grand Seiko for my first "real" piece. I was thinking of a 116200 Datejust, but the finishing on the GS is as good (if not better) than a Rolex, plus it'll be significantly more low-key. Thoughts? Has anyone here handled or own a GS?
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I only own a quartz Grand Seiko because I am not really into those manual winding, how many jewels,...One thing I can say is the finishing on GS is BETTER than a Rolex (compared to my friend's Explorer II). The reason why I like GS is that this line is very subtle, but of very high quality.
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Originally Posted by stafa View Post

Thinking of going Grand Seiko for my first "real" piece. I was thinking of a 116200 Datejust, but the finishing on the GS is as good (if not better) than a Rolex, plus it'll be significantly more low-key. Thoughts? Has anyone here handled or own a GS?
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I have handled some recently at an AD, and Grand Seiko really is an absolutely gorgeous line. If you like the styling, I do not think there is a better brand in the price range. The finishing is spectacular, and I greatly enjoy the 'direction' of the timepieces. GS strives for a well built, sturdy, accurate, simple timepiece. Personally, I would take that over a DJ. But that is just me. I also think that I would get the SBGA011, the "Snowflake," if you will. Also, get ready for the "just a Seiko" comments ad infinitum.

Just a word of advice though, supposedly servicing them is a bit of a pain in the ass. You will have to send the watch back to Japan for servicing, and I have heard it is fairly expensive. However, I have also heard good things about their servicing, which is more than I can say for what I have heard about the Swiss competition.

Also, this story is a nice read. Anyone around here want to be my "dad:"

http://www.philippinewatchclub.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=22525
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I would go with the Snowflake.

Not my pics.





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The regular stainless one has been sold out for awhile now.

It was $180ish shipped from this site. Amazon is sold out.

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Agreed. I love the oyster bracelet but wished it were a mm or 2 wider at the clasp for some of their models.
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my only issue with some of the larger cased/lugged rolexes, is that i feel the transition from case/lugs to bracelet is a bit harsh, not enough gentle taper. but that is really a nitpick.
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I've had my eye on this model for a bit. I like it more than the DJ and Omega AT. It looks incredible to me though I have never seen one in the metal.

Snowflake FTW here



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I would go with the Snowflake.

Not my pics.





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+1 The Bracelet/Lug transition seems a bit awkward to me.
 

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The snowflake is nice, but it's a little larger than I want. Also, while I think the Spring Drive is a very interesting movement, I wanted to get a "pure" mechanical piece for my first one.

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Dino - ...I was just speculating that they might be harder to move right now due to anticipation of the new iteration after Basel.
 

Hard to say.   In the past 2 months I've still seen people post, "Got the call" (from their AD and they bought a Daytona).  Not sure if that is in areas where Daytonas and sport Rolexes have typically been in short supply.  There are definitely people waiting to see what happens at Basel, but those are people that were never going to buy the 40mm and have been hoping for a 42mm Daytona for the last few years.  Then there is the group that buys the outgoing version the minute they hear a Rolex is going out of production so they can get one of the final models produced.  That happened when the old Sea-Dweller went out of production, when the old non-Date Sub went out of production etc.  In the end, there is lots of speculation but only Rolex knows what will happen...and how long it will take.  If they follow the roll out they did with the GMT-C, and SubC...if they actually do release a 42mm Daytona, we would see the release of it in all gold later this year, maybe a steel and gold version at Basel the following year, and then a year or two later an all steel version.  Also remember lots of people were speculating the all steel SubC would come out the year after the steel and gold model, but Rolex made the public wait an additional year.   I guess we will know what will happen in just a few months. 

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Thinking of going Grand Seiko for my first "real" piece. I was thinking of a 116200 Datejust, but the finishing on the GS is as good (if not better) than a Rolex, plus it'll be significantly more low-key. Thoughts? Has anyone here handled or own a GS?

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Great quality, but to be honest I find their designs a bit dull, and they remind me of various Seikos from their regular line many years ago.  But styling is subjective.  I would also consider if you see this as a long term ownership experience, or whether you are someone that tires of things easily and hence you sell/trade items often. If you live in Asia, it may not matter in terms of service issues or resale value, but if you live say in the US, service will be a pain and you may have difficulty determining its resale or finding a buyer for them in a country where they do not have a very strong following.   Good luck with whatever you decide.   

post #17400 of 35507
Aside from the predictably pedestrian GS styling and that gawd-awful gothic font GS logo/script, IMO the snowflake texture dial will date in a bad way, not unlike the "linen" or textured dials from the 70s.

Final nail for me is the movement view through the see through caseback - they should just have covered that up with steel.

Dino - even in Asia they are not popular watches. Really only, at best, so-so popular in Japan as well TBH.
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