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post #17191 of 34021
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Originally Posted by Lebowski10 View Post

Hey everyone,

 

what do you guys think of Ball watches?  I own a Tag Formula 1 (college grad present) and am looking to start building a collection now that funds are coming in.  Ideally, something a bit more dressy than my sporty black dial Tag.  I had planned to pick up a Hamilton Jazzmaster Viewmatic (http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en/ladies/american-classic/jazzmaster/viewmatic-auto/H32515555) as my dress watch...and probably still will (is this SF approved?)...but not next.  The reason I'm looking into Ball - I was recently presented with the opportunity to pick one up at 60% off retail price from a friend working at an AD.  This puts them into my $800-$1000 price range, and I figure I can get "more watch for the buck" as my research indicates good quality and a cool history.  What do you guys think about the following two?

http://www.tourneau.com/shop/brand/ball-watch/trainmaster-eternity-51405p

 

http://www.tourneau.com/shop/brand/ball-watch/fireman-victory-51393p

 

Both are available in different faces and straps...I'm leaning towards a silver face with a brown leather strap to be a bit more on the dressy side...but open to whatever

 

Whats the SF input on these?  (apologies if this post should be in the poor man's watch thread - not sure where the dividing line is)

 

Ball watches not what I would call dressy.   Go try one one and you will see for yourself. I did.  The cases are too big, the hands are too rough.  The tubes filled with tritium are simply ugly.  In fact, I do not see a single reason for purchasing a Ball watch given the alternatives that exist in the market.

 

I know, I too wanted to like those watches, but every time I go to an AD I come out disappointed.

 

Also do not let the company history fool you: It is true that at some point in time there was an American company that produced watches for railroads, but that company does not exist any more, as the rights to use the name of the company were sold years ago.

 

It sounds like you need a dress watch and to me this means a leather strap, a thin profile and no complications.  May I suggest a pre-owned Zenith or a vintage Omega? If that is too much $, go with a Seiko.  Recently I have seen a picture of a nice dress Seiko in the "Poor man's watch thread" and it looked exceptionally nice.  Many folks do not know this, but Seiko is actually one of the true watch manufacturers with a very long history of watchmaking.  Their watches are not really appreciated in the West and it is a shame...

post #17192 of 34021
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Thank you for sharing these pics. These new offerings are gorgeous!

The new ceramic pieces really stand out for me; a blend of tradition connecting to APs historic past and modern design/materials. The ROO Diver in its many forms I think is also a great 21st century re-interpretation of the original Genta design.
post #17193 of 34021
For JLC fans, one of my favourites from SIHH 2013, the new version of the Master Calendar (pics again from TimeZone):



Overall I like the proportions and dial layout better than before. Looks like the dial echoes the current MUT Moon. I like that they dropped the power reserve indicator; it made the previous version look a bit too busy. Bezel looks a bit slimmer than in previous iterations, giving the dial itself a slightly more generous look. Thoughts?
Edited by academe - 1/23/13 at 5:39am
post #17194 of 34021
I like the Hamiltons you showed. The Ball Fireman Victory is pretty nice as well especially at a deep discount. I could see it on a brown strap too if you wanted. Both are pretty solid watches, BALLs are known for their line of watches being more rugged/sportier. They certainly can have a distinct look to them that can put a lot of people off. But I actually think that the Fireman model you picked is pretty restrained.
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Originally Posted by Lebowski10 View Post

Hey everyone,

what do you guys think of Ball watches?  I own a Tag Formula 1 (college grad present) and am looking to start building a collection now that funds are coming in.  Ideally, something a bit more dressy than my sporty black dial Tag.  I had planned to pick up a Hamilton Jazzmaster Viewmatic (http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en/ladies/american-classic/jazzmaster/viewmatic-auto/H32515555) as my dress watch...and probably still will (is this SF approved?)...but not next.  The reason I'm looking into Ball - I was recently presented with the opportunity to pick one up at 60% off retail price from a friend working at an AD.  This puts them into my $800-$1000 price range, and I figure I can get "more watch for the buck" as my research indicates good quality and a cool history.  What do you guys think about the following two?

http://www.tourneau.com/shop/brand/ball-watch/trainmaster-eternity-51405p



http://www.tourneau.com/shop/brand/ball-watch/fireman-victory-51393p

Both are available in different faces and straps...I'm leaning towards a silver face with a brown leather strap to be a bit more on the dressy side...but open to whatever

Whats the SF input on these?  (apologies if this post should be in the poor man's watch thread - not sure where the dividing line is)


That Ceramic Diver is incredible.
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Originally Posted by academe View Post

On the theme of APs, I'm liking the new SIHH 2013 offerings from Le Brassus (pics borrowed from TimeZone):

Tradition Minute Repeater Tourbillon Chronograph:
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ROO Ceramic Chronograph:


And my personal favourite, the ROO Ceramic Diver:


The new Ceramic Diver has made me re-think my plans for buying the Extra Thin Jules Audemars, though I probably don't need another sports watch!
post #17195 of 34021
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Originally Posted by academe View Post

For JLC fans, one of my favourites from SIHH 2013, the new version of the Master Calendar (pics again from TimeZone):



Overall I like the proportions and dial layout better than before. Looks like the dial echoes the current MUT Moon. I like that they dropped the power reserve indicator; it made the previous version look a bit too busy. Bezel looks a bit slimmer than in previous iterations, giving the dial itself a slightly more generous look. Thoughts?

I like this one substantially more than the previous iteration, although it is not as quirky. I have a feeling that the old Master Calendar was not the hottest seller in the lineup. I really like it, but I think that if I were to spring for a Full Calendar, I would regret that I did not get an Annual Calendar. Nonetheless, it is a lovely looking watch. I think that the date wheel would likely drive me crazy, however. But that is just me! I find the pointers a little bit distracting smile.gif.

All in all though, beautiful watch, and a great upgrade. I am glad that JLC returned to their roots on that one.
post #17196 of 34021
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

I like this one substantially more than the previous iteration, although it is not as quirky. I have a feeling that the old Master Calendar was not the hottest seller in the lineup. I really like it, but I think that if I were to spring for a Full Calendar, I would regret that I did not get an Annual Calendar. Nonetheless, it is a lovely looking watch. I think that the date wheel would likely drive me crazy, however. But that is just me! I find the pointers a little bit distracting smile.gif.

All in all though, beautiful watch, and a great upgrade. I am glad that JLC returned to their roots on that one.

The nice thing is that in this version, while the dial retains it's three-dimensionality, the hour-minute hands 'jump out' at the viewer. In the last version, the RdM indicator and other sub-dials were competing with hour-minute hands for the viewers' attention, distracting from the core timekeeping function of the watch. In this version, the other complications are clearly sub-sidiary to the main timekeeping function, if that makes sense?

Yes; and it's nice to see a return to traditional roots with this version. While I like the Master Compressor watches, etc. what I love JLC for are the Reversos and the more classically styled watches in the line-up.
post #17197 of 34021
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Originally Posted by academe View Post

The nice thing is that in this version, while the dial retains it's three-dimensionality, the hour-minute hands 'jump out' at the viewer. In the last version, the RdM indicator and other sub-dials were competing with hour-minute hands for the viewers' attention, distracting from the core timekeeping function of the watch. In this version, the other complications are clearly sub-sidiary to the main timekeeping function, if that makes sense?

Yes; and it's nice to see a return to traditional roots with this version. While I like the Master Compressor watches, etc. what I love JLC for are the Reversos and the more classically styled watches in the line-up.

I could not agree more. I think that the Reverso and MC line are JLC's bread and butter. And I agree with your assessment, the focus of the watch is really on the time--as it should be!

I really don't think anything in the new line-up will tempt me away from the MUT Moon, however. I think that JLC kind of played it safe this year. The one watch that I really love is the Jubilee Ultra Thin. That watch is absolutely insane. I really wish that the majority of the MC line was manual rather than automatic, but I guess you cannot have everything you want!
post #17198 of 34021
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Originally Posted by academe View Post

The nice thing is that in this version, while the dial retains it's three-dimensionality, the hour-minute hands 'jump out' at the viewer. In the last version, the RdM indicator and other sub-dials were competing with hour-minute hands for the viewers' attention, distracting from the core timekeeping function of the watch. In this version, the other complications are clearly sub-sidiary to the main timekeeping function, if that makes sense?

Yes; and it's nice to see a return to traditional roots with this version. While I like the Master Compressor watches, etc. what I love JLC for are the Reversos and the more classically styled watches in the line-up.

The Reverso Grande date in stainless steel on a brown strap has got to be one of my all time favorite watches of any brand. Sad to say i never had the chance of owning one
post #17199 of 34021

Ive been underwhelmed by SIHH this year

post #17200 of 34021
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Originally Posted by academe View Post

For JLC fans, one of my favourites from SIHH 2013, the new version of the Master Calendar (pics again from TimeZone):



Overall I like the proportions and dial layout better than before. Looks like the dial echoes the current MUT Moon. I like that they dropped the power reserve indicator; it made the previous version look a bit too busy. Bezel looks a bit slimmer than in previous iterations, giving the dial itself a slightly more generous look. Thoughts?

That's my favorite new offering as well. Much better than the previous Master Calender which did not have a clean dial. I had the older 37mm MM and this is very similar but in a more modern size.

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academe - thanks for those pics and the info. very cool.

Lebowski10 - i used to know the Ball history, but i have forgotten it, have not read up on them in a long while. as said before, they are not known for their dress watches. the ones you posted were nice looking, and for the price point not bad at all. but i think you should look into longines, B&M and maybe some less expensive omegas as well. but if Ball is what you really desire after all your research is done, dont let the fact they are not super well known or forum loved, stop you. get what works for you. just my opinion.
post #17202 of 34021
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Originally Posted by papa kot View Post

 

Ball watches not what I would call dressy.   Go try one one and you will see for yourself. I did. The tubes filled with tritium are simply ugly. 

Also do not let the company history fool you: It is true that at some point in time there was an American company that produced watches for railroads, but that company does not exist any more, as the rights to use the name of the company were sold years ago.

 

It sounds like you need a dress watch and to me this means a leather strap, a thin profile and no complications.  May I suggest a pre-owned Zenith or a vintage Omega?

I was not a fan of the gas tubes.  They are like a novelty I'd tire of quickly.  I like your vintage idea. 

 

As for brand history, there are several brands that were closed for many years but revived after someone bought the rights to the name...the most famous being Blancpain (closed for about 20 years IIRC) and I believe most of companies under that British Masters Group are largely revived names/brands...and they all talk about their history, even though they are not the same companies they were before closing.  Whether that can be held against a company...I suppose depends on the buyer.  BP claims to be the oldest watch company as it was established in 1735, but I discount this as they were closed for many years and are a revived brand. 

 

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Originally Posted by Lebowski10 View Post

Hey everyone,

 

what do you guys think of Ball watches?   I had planned to pick up a Hamilton Jazzmaster Viewmatic (http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en/ladies/american-classic/jazzmaster/viewmatic-auto/H32515555) as my dress watch...and probably still will (is this SF approved?)...but not next.  The reason I'm looking into Ball - I was recently presented with the opportunity to pick one up at 60% off retail price from a friend working at an AD.  This puts them into my $800-$1000 price range, and I figure I can get "more watch for the buck" as my research indicates good quality and a cool history.  What do you guys think about the following two?

http://www.tourneau.com/shop/brand/ball-watch/trainmaster-eternity-51405p

 

http://www.tourneau.com/shop/brand/ball-watch/fireman-victory-51393p

 

Whats the SF input on these?  (apologies if this post should be in the poor man's watch thread - not sure where the dividing line is)

I've seen and tried on a few Ball watches several years ago.  The ones I tried on were sportier than what you are considering.  I found them kind of clunky, not particulary impressive almost more of a styling exercise than a quality watch, and the gas tubes were a novelty that I think would wear quickly on me. 

 

I think if you like the watch and the price fits your budget, then either could be fine.  I can understand your friend's discount making these watches very enticing.  The ones you are considering are normal looking, and not goofy like some of their sportier pieces.  As expected (in their price range) most of their watches use ETA movements, which are good solid workhoreses, but nothing exceptional. 

 

I'm not really sure one could describe a watch or brand as SF approved.  We all have different tastes, budgets, and needs...so no watch can be everything to everyone.  There are lots of top of the line brands that offer models I would never buy, great quality but not my taste.  So SF approval should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

However, I like Papa Knot's suggestion of looking at some vintage Omegas, Zeniths, or maybe some vintage Heuers, or Movados (not the quartz ones you see at a mall).  You would get something different and probably much higher quality. 

post #17203 of 34021
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Originally Posted by academe View Post

On the theme of APs, I'm liking the new SIHH 2013 offerings from Le Brassus (pics borrowed from TimeZone):

ROO Ceramic Chronograph:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


 

 

And my personal favourite, the ROO Ceramic Diver:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


 

 

The new Ceramic Diver has made me re-think my plans for buying the Extra Thin Jules Audemars, though I probably don't need another sports watch!

I'm a huge fan of AP (I love my RO) but I feel like this year's offerings while maybe a new use of matterials, seems like stuff we've seen before.  The Offshore is a great model and a huge success for them, but after a while the various versions such as the Volcano, the Bumble Bee, Safari, Montoya, CF, all start to look the same to me.  Yes some of the matterials are differnt, but mostly I find the most distinguishing feature is only what bright color they use to highlight the dial or strap.

post #17204 of 34021
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

Today I'm wearing the 5040J along with a pair of very comfortable Gaziano & Girling boots (pic I shared this morning in the G&G Appreciation Thread). 

 

As for the "I'm about to spring into action" shot, that's just in line with what I do every day as a desk worker...

 

Beautiful boots and a great watch!!!

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Originally Posted by Cylon View Post

Ive been underwhelmed by SIHH this year

+1

 

I really haven't seen anything new that I would add to my "Must haves" list or a new "Grail" watch.

post #17205 of 34021

Re: Ball watches

 

Keep in mind that tritium tubes will lose their glow in a decade or so and and then be difficult to replace. Tritium tube watch hands and markers were originally designed for military issue wristwatches, particularly for aviators. Most of those were meant to be consumables with quartz movements and plastic cases.

 

Meanwhile Luminova works forever.   

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