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But i think his point was they are copying the designs and just released this to compete with the Milgauss. I don't think he was trying to say that rolex invented everything

 Exactly! 

 

 

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"NO"  just seeing who associates himself with Rolex (brand junkiessmile.gif), now I know! I myself, have owned many brands, new, never pre-owned( nothing against pre-owned)! But if you talk to a watch maker he will not laugh at what you wrote! There is no Rolex patent that was'nt  already thought of, or that was already being produced, nothing special, other companys would have come to the same conclusions, Rolex just got it patented first! This qoute came from a watch maker(not verbatim) 70+yrs old who still gets commissioned from these 2 brands(think Johns lying? I doubt it)!  Also, he did mention Omega has a better movement( he explained,but my memory sucks)! I know people dont like to hear that they have been duped, sorry! How many Rolexes do you own? I dont know what to tell you, sell'em? I did, glad I did, liberate yourself Dino449, now go purchase that overrpriced ss seamatser, and dont forget to post it here  !  If this debate is all about the looks, please disregard, not very pleasing 2me eitherfacepalm.gif 

I think you need to switch to decaf and go back and read my original post.  As Jeff mentioned, there is nothing in my post about patents and who invented what.  I simply said, Omega seems to follow Rolex's foot steps.  You have overlooked that I said Omega makes some very good watches and they should stick to making things that show their own DNA.   

 

As for watch makers not laughing at what I wrote, well maybe the truth just isn't that funny. You seem worked up about my discussion of the colored bezels Sub LV vs Planet Ocean orange bezel, the PN Daytona style dials on Speedy Pros, and the Milguass and the New AT with dotted second hand (rather than lightning bolt) and the clearly "mimicked Oyster bracelet'"  but in your post labeling me a Rolex brand junkie, you did not actually argue that I was wrong about Rolex making these items and then Omega following them.  Not to mention, throwing an Oyster bracelet on that new antimagnetic AT ....really?  How original !

 

 As for patents, most brands have several patents for a variety of things, but your explanation that everyone thought of it first but they didn't patent it... its just Rolex patented first ...please spare me the BS.  Its like saying who cares that someone won the 100m dash at the Olympics...the sillver medalist gets there right after him.  And the idea that Rolex got there first but others would have thought of it, with that line of thinking... who cares that Galileo and DaVinci had certain ideas...modern scientists would have come to the same conclusions eventually. 

 

Yes I do own a few Rolex watches.  But before you label me a Rolex brand junkie, I have own several other brands and I have owned an Omega Seamaster.  My Seamaster was fine but uninspiring, basic ETA movment, and eventually it just wasn't what I wanted.  So I sold it to fund another watch. I probably would not buy another Seamaster.  However, if you have read some of my other posts, I have regularly praised the Speedy Pro as that is one watch I would like to own.  I also like the vintage Flightmaster of the 1970s...kind of intersting retro watch.  In additon, my friend's experience with Omegas Seamaster waws far from perfect.  Several years ago one of my best friends owned 2 Seamasters and had quality control problems with each.  He bought an outgoing Seamaster and a few days after purchasing it noticed that there was a small feather floating around between the crystal and the dial...this added entertainment was at no extra cost! biggrin.gif  So my buddy brought it back and traded it toward a new generation Seamaster.  Within six months he noticed the extension part of the bracelet clasp kept opening from the back.  It went back, Omega replaced the bracelet and clasp twice for the same issue.  He gave up and got a Speedy Pro...that ran perfectly.  He mistakenly sold his Speedy pro when he fell for another watch...but several years later bought another Speedy Pro that he still has.  

 

If you are going to tell me Omega has a better movement, you need to be far more specific as to what watches "Your watchmaker" is comparing and why.  In  what way is he saying they are better?  A generalization coming from some unknown watch maker doesn't mean much...are we talking a 1980s Rolex Sub to a 1980s Seamaster, a modern Daytona to a current Speedy Pro, vintage vs. current?  Keep in mind that for many years Omega went the route of basically putting ordinary ETAs in most of their watches, which is acceptable but not impressive.   In recent years Omega has gotten into making their own movements...and Rolex has made improvement to their own movements which were already made in house, so each comany stepped up its game.  And lets be honest, most movements in Rolex or Omegas may be very good, but they are far from the standards used by PP, AP, ALS, VC, JLC or Piaget.    

 

Also before you label me as a Rolex junkie, perhaps you should also consider your own prejudice against the brand.  Seems you prejudge those of us that have a Rolex and if I'm not mistaken I've seen you refer to them a Borlex and now you think buyers were duped.  So you seem to wear your dislike maybe for the brand and/or owners on your sleeve.  As for being duped with my Rolex watches, I could sell any of mine for a profit tomorrow...I couldn't say that about my experience with selling my Omega...nor could I say it about the 1st Speedy Pro my friend sold.

 

As I've said in the past no one brand or watch can be everything to everyone. If we all agreed on brands & models to buy  it would be a boring place.   Maybe you and I will always disagree about brands, but I have enjoyed our debate.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

 Exactly! 

I think you need to switch to decaf and go back and read my original post.  As Jeff mentioned, there is nothing in my post about patents and who invented what.  I simply said, Omega seems to follow Rolex's foot steps.  You have overlooked that I said Omega makes some very good watches and they should stick to making things that show their own DNA.   

 

As for watch makers not laughing at what I wrote, well maybe the truth just isn't that funny. You seem worked up about my discussion of the colored bezels Sub LV vs Planet Ocean orange bezel, the PN Daytona style dials on Speedy Pros, and the Milguass and the New AT with dotted second hand (rather than lightning bolt) and the clearly "mimicked Oyster bracelet'"  but in your post labeling me a Rolex brand junkie, you did not actually argue that I was wrong about Rolex making these items and then Omega following them.  Not to mention, throwing an Oyster bracelet on that new antimagnetic AT ....really?  How original !

 

 As for patents, most brands have several patents for a variety of things, but your explanation that everyone thought of it first but they didn't patent it... its just Rolex patented first ...please spare me the BS.  Its like saying who cares that someone won the 100m dash at the Olympics...the sillver medalist gets there right after him.  And the idea that Rolex got there first but others would have thought of it, with that line of thinking... who cares that Galileo and DaVinci had certain ideas...modern scientists would have come to the same conclusions eventually. 

 

Yes I do own a few Rolex watches.  But before you label me a Rolex brand junkie, I have own several other brands and I have owned an Omega Seamaster.  My Seamaster was fine but uninspiring, basic ETA movment, and eventually it just wasn't what I wanted.  So I sold it to fund another watch. I probably would not buy another Seamaster.  However, if you have read some of my other posts, I have regularly praised the Speedy Pro as that is one watch I would like to own.  I also like the vintage Flightmaster of the 1970s...kind of intersting retro watch.  In additon, my friend's experience with Omegas Seamaster waws far from perfect.  Several years ago one of my best friends owned 2 Seamasters and had quality control problems with each.  He bought an outgoing Seamaster and a few days after purchasing it noticed that there was a small feather floating around between the crystal and the dial...this added entertainment was at no extra cost! biggrin.gif  So my buddy brought it back and traded it toward a new generation Seamaster.  Within six months he noticed the extension part of the bracelet clasp kept opening from the back.  It went back, Omega replaced the bracelet and clasp twice for the same issue.  He gave up and got a Speedy Pro...that ran perfectly.  He mistakenly sold his Speedy pro when he fell for another watch...but several years later bought another Speedy Pro that he still has.  

 

If you are going to tell me Omega has a better movement, you need to be far more specific as to what watches "Your watchmaker" is comparing and why.  In  what way is he saying they are better?  A generalization coming from some unknown watch maker doesn't mean much...are we talking a 1980s Rolex Sub to a 1980s Seamaster, a modern Daytona to a current Speedy Pro, vintage vs. current?  Keep in mind that for many years Omega went the route of basically putting ordinary ETAs in most of their watches, which is acceptable but not impressive.   In recent years Omega has gotten into making their own movements...and Rolex has made improvement to their own movements which were already made in house, so each comany stepped up its game.  And lets be honest, most movements in Rolex or Omegas may be very good, but they are far from the standards used by PP, AP, ALS, VC, JLC or Piaget.    

 

Also before you label me as a Rolex junkie, perhaps you should also consider your own prejudice against the brand.  Seems you prejudge those of us that have a Rolex and if I'm not mistaken I've seen you refer to them a Borlex and now you think buyers were duped.  So you seem to wear your dislike maybe for the brand and/or owners on your sleeve.  As for being duped with my Rolex watches, I could sell any of mine for a profit tomorrow...I couldn't say that about my experience with selling my Omega...nor could I say it about the 1st Speedy Pro my friend sold.

 

As I've said in the past no one brand or watch can be everything to everyone. If we all agreed on brands & models to buy  it would be a boring place.   Maybe you and I will always disagree about brands, but I have enjoyed our debate.

 I am deeply impressed that I could upset a guy I don't know through this pc about watches, Incredible!  I really like most brands, hell, I even own digitals, this would probably be a crime to most on this thread! You really pay that much attention to me, shame on you, old boy!  Now, the watch maker qoute was true the rest, hype, all hype, remember what I said; I say things sometimes absurd to generate dialogue! Not to get you vexed! Damn it dino, I think your a smart dude, dont give a hint your shallow! You'll be stressed all the time( while I'll be laughing)! SF isnt suppose to be work, ok, no more huge essays nod[1].gif   (truth is I bought &sold my last Rolex and 1 of my Omegas,years back, No more for me!) WOW, how long did this take to write, amazing, really!

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Hi Ant,

No stress for me. I write all week long and i enjoy it . When I get to write about watches for me it's pure fun. It took me about 30 minutes so no big deal.
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Nice Breitling!
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Originally Posted by amadar View Post

Have ogled this thread for a long time - figured it was time to make a submission (humble as it may be compared to most here). Not a dressy watch by any means - but ends up on my wrist more often than not in casual/sw&d situations. Sorry for the low-light pic, its all I got right now.

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


Thanks, man.

To be quite honest, this is a nearly completely useless field of knowledge if it's taken in isolation. There's little appeal in most (90%+) contemporary watches for me, as there's just so much crap out there. What I like about good watches is the application of form, function and design in a well-thought-out example. I get the same satisfaction out of finding out and appreciating what constitutes a great bicycle/motorcycle design, an appealing architectural work, or an excellent piece of music. The same principles apply.

Trust me when I tell you that you're not missing out on anything that special if you don't have an "expensive" watch. You're far better off spending your money — and especially time — going places and doing things. That said, a no-excuses watch is a great travel partner. If you ever feel like spending some extra cash on a watch that you won't regret, won't be affected by trends, and won't lose its value, get a non-blingy steel Rolex and you're set for life. There, now I've freed up hundreds of hours of your lifetime for more useful activities. teacha.gif

 

We are on the same page, my friend.  

 

In an age where we all carry an auto-updating cellphone, or an extremely accurate quartz digital watch costs $5 from the gas station, the act of buying a really expensive, maintenance-hungry, fragile and overtly-stealable means of telling the time, seems utterly stupid.  The watches in this thread are cumbersome, expensive unnecessarily complicated to make, and essentially unnecessary at all.

 

But that's the point, isn't it?  Personally, I have one "proper" watch - a scruffy manual Omega that my mother gave to my father around 1970.  It needed some fixing up, and is probably worth about $200 at best if I stick it on eBay.  But I like it.  Not just because of sentimental history, but because I like the fact that it's a machine.  Old fashioned, full of moving parts that some Swiss person with thick glasses put together and made work by the power of a tiny spring, that I have to remember to bend a little each day with a tiny wheel.  It's a tiny, complicated little machine from another age, that I carry around on my wrist.  And that's neat.

 

I totally get how people can obsess about these things.  In an age where everything is increasingly mass-produced and disposable, the hand-made, complicated, labour-intensive and unusual, is all the more precious.  Personally I kind of like shoes.  I restrain myself from the most expensive excesses, but the passion for that old-fashioned artisan effort is there.  Thankfully, I'm still just about able to resist spending a fortune on a watch, but the fascination is definitely growing - the more I know, the more I am absorbed!  For every additional bit of engineering genius, or hideously demanding human effort, the interest deepens.  Like you said, whether it's a one-off modified Ducati, an innovative piece of architecture, or a hand-stitched wing tip, it's the beauty and what goes into it that makes it special.

 

The member "No Frills", above, appears to have gone from quartz utility, to BMW-priced awesomeness after a mere three months of reading this shit.  That PP is what, $60k or thereabouts? Damn!  I can put one of my kids through college for that!  But having read all this for the last six months or so (I only joined to sell a pair of shoes!), I can't call him crazy.  This is a madness that I totally get.  I only hope I can hold back for the sake of my children/pension/sanity!

 

Anyway, thanks again for sharing this engaging information - I'll probably succumb one of these days, but for now I'll keep doing weird things in weird places and order some more shoes.  And reading all these awesome posts, for later...

 

 

 

(Added for completeness, as I've shared before some time ago: my scruffy old Omega - new glass, hands and crown to replace non-original 1970s repair, a service and a cheap practical strap.  No bling, but it still gives me pleasure.)

 

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We are on the same page, my friend.  

In an age where we all carry an auto-updating cellphone, or an extremely accurate quartz digital watch costs $5 from the gas station, the act of buying a really expensive, maintenance-hungry, fragile and overtly-stealable means of telling the time, seems utterly stupid.  The watches in this thread are cumbersome, expensive unnecessarily complicated to make, and essentially unnecessary at all.

But that's the point, isn't it?  Personally, I have one "proper" watch - a scruffy manual Omega that my mother gave to my father around 1970.  It needed some fixing up, and is probably worth about $200 at best if I stick it on eBay.  But I like it.  Not just because of sentimental history, but because I like the fact that it's a machine.  Old fashioned, full of moving parts that some Swiss person with thick glasses put together and made work by the power of a tiny spring, that I have to remember to bend a little each day with a tiny wheel.  It's a tiny, complicated little machine from another age, that I carry around on my wrist.  And that's neat.

I totally get how people can obsess about these things.  In an age where everything is increasingly mass-produced and disposable, the hand-made, complicated, labour-intensive and unusual, is all the more precious.  Personally I kind of like shoes.  I restrain myself from the most expensive excesses, but the passion for that old-fashioned artisan effort is there.  Thankfully, I'm still just about able to resist spending a fortune on a watch, but the fascination is definitely growing - the more I know, the more I am absorbed!  For every additional bit of engineering genius, or hideously demanding human effort, the interest deepens.  Like you said, whether it's a one-off modified Ducati, an innovative piece of architecture, or a hand-stitched wing tip, it's the beauty and what goes into it that makes it special.

The member "No Frills", above, appears to have gone from quartz utility, to BMW-priced awesomeness after a mere three months of reading this shit.  That PP is what, $60k or thereabouts? Damn!  I can put one of my kids through college for that!  But having read all this for the last six months or so (I only joined to sell a pair of shoes!), I can't call him crazy.  This is a madness that I totally get.  I only hope I can hold back for the sake of my children/pension/sanity!

Anyway, thanks again for sharing this engaging information - I'll probably succumb one of these days, but for now I'll keep doing weird things in weird places and order some more shoes.  And reading all these awesome posts, for later...



(Added for completeness, as I've shared before some time ago: my scruffy old Omega - new glass, hands and crown to replace non-original 1970s repair, a service and a cheap practical strap.  No bling, but it still gives me pleasure.)

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It is a peculiar form of madness, isn't it? I chalk it up to a midlife crisis, and a bit of luck that I've been able to save and grow my family's money over the last 15 years so that I'm not necessarily impoverishing my children (and I have two) from doing this. In the process, my wife also received a couple of fine timepieces. So I guess that's how I got away with these last few purchases haha!

But it is not something I recommend for everyone.

P.S. The "upgrade" I went through also included shoes. I went from deals at DSW to Corthay, Gaziano and Girling and Edward Green. Sigh. Madness.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Hi Ant,

No stress for me. I write all week long and i enjoy it . When I get to write about watches for me it's pure fun. It took me about 30 minutes so no big deal.

Good to know, good typing, I'm a vanpire, time to sleep, take it easysmile.gif

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 I am deeply impressed that I could upset a guy I don't know through this pc about watches, Incredible!  I really like most brands, hell, I even own digitals, this would probably be a crime to most on this thread! You really pay that much attention to me, shame on you, old boy!  Now, the watch maker qoute was true the rest, hype, all hype, remember what I said; I say things sometimes absurd to generate dialogue! Not to get you vexed! Damn it dino, I think your a smart dude, dont give a hint your shallow! You'll be stressed all the time( while I'll be laughing)! SF isnt suppose to be work, ok, no more huge essays nod%5B1%5D.gif   (truth is I bought &sold my last Rolex and 1 of my Omegas,years back, No more for me!) WOW, how long did this take to write, amazing, really!

Not surprised, but I'm kind of disapointed. I'll never understand why some people desire to try to get people excited or attempt to insult them for no apparent reason.


Edited by dddrees - 1/20/13 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by ant702 View Post

 I say things sometimes absurd to generate dialogue! 

 

This is one definition of trolling. You'll find you have a more pleasant time and people will enjoy your company more if you say what you mean and engage in dialogue rather than strive to "generate" it with hyperbole and histrionics.

 

FWIW I've heard the Omega coaxial movements are fantastic.

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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

I'll never understand why some people desire to try to get people excited or attempt to insult them for no apparent reason.

 I suppose its a form of entertainment for some. I didn't mind, just gave me a bit of debating practice.cheers.gif

 

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FWIW I've heard the Omega coaxial movements are fantastic.

 They are making some very good movements.  However, the only watch of theirs that presents a very strong temptation for me is the classic manual wind Speedy Pro.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

 I suppose its a form of entertainment for some. I didn't mind, just gave me a bit of debating practice.cheers.gif

 

 They are making some very good movements.  However, the only watch of theirs that presents a very strong temptation for me is the classic manual wind Speedy Pro.

I found your post to be a great read.

 

 

Thanks for posting.

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

Thanks, man.

To be quite honest, this is a nearly completely useless field of knowledge if it's taken in isolation. There's little appeal in most (90%+) contemporary watches for me, as there's just so much crap out there. What I like about good watches is the application of form, function and design in a well-thought-out example. I get the same satisfaction out of finding out and appreciating what constitutes a great bicycle/motorcycle design, an appealing architectural work, or an excellent piece of music. The same principles apply.

Trust me when I tell you that you're not missing out on anything that special if you don't have an "expensive" watch. You're far better off spending your money — and especially time — going places and doing things. That said, a no-excuses watch is a great travel partner. If you ever feel like spending some extra cash on a watch that you won't regret, won't be affected by trends, and won't lose its value, get a non-blingy steel Rolex and you're set for life. There, now I've freed up hundreds of hours of your lifetime for more useful activities. teacha.gif

I really like this post. No one should feel pressure to wear a watch, let alone throw down significant money for an expensive watch. Watches have little practical utility - there are much more effective and inexpensive ways to tell time, appreciate human ingenuity and craftsmanship, improve your appearance, impress strangers, signal taste, etc. IMO the only reason to buy a watch is the enjoyment you get when you look down at your wrist.
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I found your post to be a great read.


Thanks for posting.

+1. Must say that the quality of Dino's analysis is far superior to anything I've read on the dedicated watch forums.
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

I really like this post. No one should feel pressure to wear a watch, let alone throw down significant money for an expensive watch. Watches have little practical utility - there are much more effective and inexpensive ways to tell time, appreciate human ingenuity and craftsmanship, improve your appearance, impress strangers, signal taste, etc. IMO the only reason to buy a watch is the enjoyment you get when you look down at your wrist.

True but the same can be said about luxury shoes/ suits/ shirts/ties. And if we stop talking about all of that this forum would be redundant and we would all have to go back to being lonely in our parent's basements because we would have no one to talk to.
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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

I found your post to be a great read.

Thanks for posting.

+1.

I think that the Watch Appreciation Thread is easily one of the best and most informative threads on teh forvm. I feel like most of the regulars post very informative and interesting posts, and really spend time thinking about what they write. This thread is definitely not as 'fast paced' or dramatic as some of the other threads, but this is probably the only place that I check many, many times per day.

I just hope the quality keeps up.
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I just hope the quality keeps up.

as do i. some of the past few pages have been making me sad. especially any possible trolling.
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