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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

A very well thought out and articulated argument. For sure IWC is not for everyone, and clearly you've given some thought on the matter which is always appreciated.

dino does not say something about watches without a well thought out reason.
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

Anyway, enough blabbering, here is a pic of my new 15400: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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wow. love it.
post #16172 of 34013
http://www.timeandwatches.com/2012/11/sihh-2013-preview-iwc-new-ingenieur.html

Here's an IWC that somewhat bucks the too-large-to-wear trend. Whether it's a durable replacement for a Rolex or Omega is another question.
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Although I personally don't like the AP RO on my wrist - that's my own damn problem!

This watch is obviously amazing and looks great on you - Congrats.
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

Dino - really appreciate your insights in this thread. You obviously have great taste and knowledge about watches. One thing I'd suggest is that the concept of versatility (and the related concept of dressiness vs. sportiness in a watch) is subjective to some degree, and depends on one's age, physique, and wardrobe/personal style. For example, there seems to be a consensus that white/silver watches in the 38mm size range and complications and on a brown leather strap (i.e. the type produced by every high end company like GO, Lange, Patek, JLC, etc) are "universal" watches for the modern professional. However, on me I think they look lifeless and discordant with my wardrobe which consists mainly of minimalistic pieces in cool colors. A Reverso or a Lange 1 or a Panomatic on my wrist would only express my ability to afford such a watch and have no harmony with the rest of my appearance. The same point would apply to Rolex sport watches, another category considered versatile and purposeful. In contrast, the sleek black dial and clean lines and large scale of a Portuguese would complement my hair, skin tone, long arms, greyscale clothes, etc.
Anyway, enough blabbering, here is a pic of my new 15400:
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post #16174 of 34013
That is a beautiful AP RO. Matches perfectly with everything in that picture (and most other things you could wear as well).
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Originally Posted by Concordia View Post

http://www.timeandwatches.com/2012/11/sihh-2013-preview-iwc-new-ingenieur.html
Here's an IWC that somewhat bucks the too-large-to-wear trend. Whether it's a durable replacement for a Rolex or Omega is another question.

I agree with much of what's been said about IWC here (mainly that they don't do anything now that they didn't do better before), but that new Inge looks nicer than any they've done since they sadly discontinued the 3227 (it's lifespan of 4 or so years was way too short).

For those interested in IWC and their history, this little book should keep you occupied for a few hours ;-)

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post #16176 of 34013
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

I don't hate IWC, but I'm not enamoured with any of their current offerings.  As for the Portugese being SF approved by some people, that means nothing to me.  I don't like the dial of the 7 day at all, but thats subjective...maybe if they had cut out the date window it would be an improvement.  As for the in house movement, that was a necessity if they wanted to be competitive with Rolex, JLC, Breitling, and Omega (all of which had or were developing some inhouse calibers).  As for your issue about my saying its "not really dressy" and "not really sporty"....the subdials and date cut out create a busy, less dressy watch, yet its not sporty either. Your attempt to say the same about Panerai or Rolex because of their wearers, is different.  The Panerai and Rolex Sub are both sports watches that were developed for diving, scuba etc. They are purely sports watches.  Sure people can wear them with a suit or some idiot who thinks he is James Bond might pair it with tux, its their choice.  They can chose to drive a Maserati Bora in a blizzard, but I wouldn't chose to.  The Royal Oak was designed as a luxury sports watch to be worn for probably everything other than diving or very dressy events where you would want a dedicated dive watch or a watch on a leather strap.   

IWC has not always made large watches...but they were early on in the trend with the 3713 Doppel around 1992/93.  Look at their production during the 1980s into the early 90s.  They only large watches they made back the 1980s were the watches designed by Porsche Design and which they were building for Porsche Design (the Ocean 2000, the Titan, and the Compass watch).  Their own 40mm Ingenieur SL Jumbo from rough 1976 shrank to roughly 34mm in the early to mid 80s.  Their DaVinci perpetual calendar chronograph was quite an achievement but the case was originally too damn small so all of the inner subdial were tiny and tough to read.  They only bumped it up in size many years later.  For several years after 1993 the only large watch they made was the Doppel chrono ref 3713.  The Portuguese line, the current/much larger revised Ingenieur, Big Pilot, etc all came much later. 

I liked IWCs of the past a lot more than I do today.  Maybe I just lament not being able to find one that I truly love these days.  No watch can be everything to everyone.  Perhaps something new from them at SIHH will renew my interest in the brand.

I agree that the Portuguese is not purely a dress watch nor is it all a sport watch, but I think it has its place. It's a perfectly fine casual/business casual watch.

As for IWC's history of large watches, it certainly goes back farther than the '90s. It begins with their history of large pocket watches from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. As for wristwatches, the current Portuguese is derived from the original 43mm version from the 1930s. The Portofino's history goes back to the 46mm version produced in the late-'70s and '80s. Both were literally pocket watches for the wrist. There's a nice write-up about these two watches and their histories on Time Zone: http://people.timezone.com/library/extras/extras631796534478125000

Of course, some of the IWC models, like the Pilots, have become larger recently. But IWC, probably more than any other manufacture, has a legitimate history of large watches that predates the current trend. They did big back when small was popular.
Edited by HEPennypacker - 12/20/12 at 8:25pm
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my favorite part about IWC is that its the only major swiss watch company that was founded by an american. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

my favorite part about IWC is that its the only major swiss watch company that was founded by an american. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

 

Haha, yeah. Last spring I dropped into the Vienna shop and the guy made a point to mention it to me a couple times.

 

Add me to the pro-IWC (and pro-large watch) voices. Something about small watches that makes me think of flared pants and pleated slacks--they just seem old (to me--ymmv of course). I can't get down with U-Boats or those huge Ennebis, but 44-46 mm looks great on non-small wrists to my eye.

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Originally Posted by johanm View Post


Dino - really appreciate your insights in this thread. You obviously have great taste and knowledge about watches. One thing I'd suggest is that the concept of versatility (and the related concept of dressiness vs. sportiness in a watch) is subjective to some degree, and depends on one's age, physique, and wardrobe/personal style. For example, there seems to be a consensus that white/silver watches in the 38mm size range and complications and on a brown leather strap (i.e. the type produced by every high end company like GO, Lange, Patek, JLC, etc) are "universal" watches for the modern professional. However, on me I think they look lifeless and discordant with my wardrobe which consists mainly of minimalistic pieces in cool colors. A Reverso or a Lange 1 or a Panomatic on my wrist would only express my ability to afford such a watch and have no harmony with the rest of my appearance. The same point would apply to Rolex sport watches, another category considered versatile and purposeful. In contrast, the sleek black dial and clean lines and large scale of a Portuguese would complement my hair, skin tone, long arms, greyscale clothes, etc.
Anyway, enough blabbering, here is a pic of my new 15400:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

photo.jpg

 

Beautiful photo of your 15400 !!!  Great choice enjoy it.

 

As for your comments about the black dial and size of the Portugese watch going better with your clothes, complexion, hair, and long arms...not sure I see that as being exclusive to the Portugese.  Most watches are available in white metals with a black dial, hence one would think if you chose any watch in a white metal with a black dial of a reasonable size it will do the trick. 

 

Whether you like the 7 day is a personal choice.  There was another poster here that had a lovely time only version that I find far more attractive.  I like watches that do more than just tell time and have other functions, but for me the subdials and date window detract from the 7 day...but thats my 2 cents.

In the end buy what makes you smile and you will never go wrong.

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dino does not say something about watches without a well thought out reason.
 

Thanks Stitchy!  Although, I'm not sure my wife always likes that about me wink.gif

 

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

my favorite part about IWC is that its the only major swiss watch company that was founded by an american. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

I always thought that was very interesting part of IWC's history. 


Edited by Dino944 - 12/21/12 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by HEPennypacker View Post


I agree that the Portuguese is not purely a dress watch nor is it all a sport watch, but I think it has its place. It's a perfectly fine casual/business casual watch.
As for IWC's history of large watches, it certainly goes back farther than the '90s. It begins with their history of large pocket watches from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. As for wristwatches, the current Portuguese is derived from the original 43mm version from the 1930s. The Portofino's history goes back to the 46mm version produced in the late-'70s and '80s. Both were literally pocket watches for the wrist. There's a nice write-up about these two watches and their histories on Time Zone: http://people.timezone.com/library/extras/extras631796534478125000
Of course, some of the IWC models, like the Pilots, have become larger recently. But IWC, probably more than any other manufacture, has a legitimate history of large watches that predates the current trend. They did big back when small was popular.

As for the Portguese the time only is the only version that I really like.  The 7 day is just not at all useful or attractive to me...but thats just my taste. You might love it and if you do you should get one and enjoy it.

 

I know about IWCs history and they make good quality watches.  They are not the only company that has put pocket watch movements into wristwatch cases.  In addition, several companies made oversized watches for WWII pilots.  Over the years there have been exceptions to small sized watch from several companies, however the bulk of production, even of IWC's production was average to small sized watches.  They even shrunk and revised the Ingenueir SL, one of their most iconic designs, down to about 34-35mms in the 80s just to fit in with slim and small watches.   So while they are known for making large watches, particularly today, they are far from being above following the trends...even when it meant going smaller. 

 

I have no axe to grind with IWC.  As stated earlier, I used to really like their watches and wanted one.  Now I struggle to find a model from them that I really want to buy, and overall when one starts to consider prices and where some of theirs have gone, I think JLC produces a higher quality watch for similar money.   Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

I have no axe to grind with IWC.  As stated earlier, I used to really like their watches and wanted one.  Now I struggle to find a model from them that I really want to buy, and overall when one starts to consider prices and where some of theirs have gone, I think JLC produces a higher quality watch for similar money.   Just my 2 cents.

I agree on JLC. I just wanted to make the point that the Portuguese comes from a long line of large watches, was not designed to respond to the large watch trend, and is not inferior to similarly priced watches. Aesthetically, it might not be to the tastes of some, but others find it quite beautiful. More generally, I think we all agree that IWC is a very respected and respectable watch manufacture, so if something from the current line does appeal to someone, then they can rest assured that they are receiving a quality product.

And with that, I look forward to seeing everyone's latest acquisitions. cheers.gif
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Can anyone give me some information on this watch? (these are not actual pictures of the watch, but it is identical)




The watch has the the number 6162 on the back.

Thanks
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My favourite Portuguese:

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Sadly not my pic
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Word.
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Originally Posted by HEPennypacker View Post

I agree on JLC. I just wanted to make the point that the Portuguese comes from a long line of large watches, was not designed to respond to the large watch trend, and is not inferior to similarly priced watches. Aesthetically, it might not be to the tastes of some, but others find it quite beautiful. More generally, I think we all agree that IWC is a very respected and respectable watch manufacture, so if something from the current line does appeal to someone, then they can rest assured that they are receiving a quality product.
And with that, I look forward to seeing everyone's latest acquisitions. cheers.gif
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