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Originally Posted by academe View Post


Dino - as we've discussed before, the VCs - while certainly beautiful - seem overpriced and finishing is not as fine as the APs (IMHO).
You also quite rightly point out that the 2121 used in the Extra Thin is the sibling of the VC 1120; weren't they both originally developed in a JLC-AP-VC joint venture? A lovely movement; great review on TimeZone about it?

As for VCs, I was very disappointed to see that the current VC use of the 1120 (their caliber for AP's 2120) used a rotor that was only part gold and the part with the Maltese Cross was in steel with a bland finish.  When they had previously used an 1120, often times their entire rotor was gold, it was  beautifully decorated and shaped like their Maltese Cross and was also beautifully engraved. 

 

The movement you speak of was developed by JLC (of which AP owned 40% of up until a few years ago when it sold its interest).  It is the only movement ever to be used by the Big 3 (PP, AP, and VC).  It was never used in a JLC.  Patek stopped using it in their Nautilus many years ago, but their original Nautilus with cal 28-255 is very collectible and valuable today.  Also, unlike AP and VC which used calibers ending in some form of the number 20, PP's caliber based on the 920 did not end in a 20.   

 

I think the Jules Audemars Ultra thin is a beautiful piece.  I'm sure if you got one you would really enjoy it. 

post #16157 of 34795
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Originally Posted by Allez Allez View Post

On the topic of smaller vintage IWCs, I humbly offer my 3531, the "kleine portugieser", on brown alligator strap.
This watch would be awesome if it had hands.
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

This watch would be awesome if it had hands.

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post #16159 of 34795
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Yes, they are under my homeowners Chubb. 

Why thank you, I am looking to insure both watches privately and have heard several mix reviews on how to go about doing so. Does your insurance cover for both theft and loss? 

Many thanks for your reply. 

post #16160 of 34795
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Originally Posted by HEPennypacker View Post


IWC has always had large watches. If anything, the "trend" found them, not the other way around. I am amused by the IWC hate in this thread and will be curious to see if it affects the SF groupthink. I remember a few years ago when the IWC Portuguese was the SF-approved watch (for instance, Foo had one at the time). In-house movement, beautiful dial, legitimate history. As for its being "not really dressy" and "not really sporty," the same could be said for any number of the tool watches that many here think pass for dress watches. Yet they are admired for their "versatility." In my mind, the Portuguese is much more versatile than a Panerai, Rolex Sub, or RO (not to say that those watches aren't also "beautiful" in their own right).
But, of course, I might be biased as I just purchased an IWC--pics forthcoming cool.gif

I don't hate IWC, but I'm not enamoured with any of their current offerings.  As for the Portugese being SF approved by some people, that means nothing to me.  I don't like the dial of the 7 day at all, but thats subjective...maybe if they had cut out the date window it would be an improvement.  As for the in house movement, that was a necessity if they wanted to be competitive with Rolex, JLC, Breitling, and Omega (all of which had or were developing some inhouse calibers).  As for your issue about my saying its "not really dressy" and "not really sporty"....the subdials and date cut out create a busy, less dressy watch, yet its not sporty either. Your attempt to say the same about Panerai or Rolex because of their wearers, is different.  The Panerai and Rolex Sub are both sports watches that were developed for diving, scuba etc. They are purely sports watches.  Sure people can wear them with a suit or some idiot who thinks he is James Bond might pair it with tux, its their choice.  They can chose to drive a Maserati Bora in a blizzard, but I wouldn't chose to.  The Royal Oak was designed as a luxury sports watch to be worn for probably everything other than diving or very dressy events where you would want a dedicated dive watch or a watch on a leather strap.   

 

IWC has not always made large watches...but they were early on in the trend with the 3713 Doppel around 1992/93.  Look at their production during the 1980s into the early 90s.  They only large watches they made back the 1980s were the watches designed by Porsche Design and which they were building for Porsche Design (the Ocean 2000, the Titan, and the Compass watch).  Their own 40mm Ingenieur SL Jumbo from rough 1976 shrank to roughly 34mm in the early to mid 80s.  Their DaVinci perpetual calendar chronograph was quite an achievement but the case was originally too damn small so all of the inner subdial were tiny and tough to read.  They only bumped it up in size many years later.  For several years after 1993 the only large watch they made was the Doppel chrono ref 3713.  The Portuguese line, the current/much larger revised Ingenieur, Big Pilot, etc all came much later. 

 

I liked IWCs of the past a lot more than I do today.  Maybe I just lament not being able to find one that I truly love these days.  No watch can be everything to everyone.  Perhaps something new from them at SIHH will renew my interest in the brand.

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Originally Posted by Allez Allez View Post

On the topic of smaller vintage IWCs, I humbly offer my 3531, the "kleine portugieser", on brown alligator strap.

Far nicer looking than the 7 Day.  Thanks for sharing a photo.

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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

After seeing some nice watch pics in other threads, I thought this forum deserved its very own watch p0rn thread.

So here is a home to post your pictures of your watches (I think it's more interesting if we stick to our own watches rather than reposting stock photos or other people's scans)

Marvelous,

Thank you. 

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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

This watch would be awesome if it had hands.

Look, I got a good deal on it. Hands were extra.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


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Agreed

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A very well thought out and articulated argument. For sure IWC is not for everyone, and clearly you've given some thought on the matter which is always appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

I don't hate IWC, but I'm not enamoured with any of their current offerings.  As for the Portugese being SF approved by some people, that means nothing to me.  I don't like the dial of the 7 day at all, but thats subjective...maybe if they had cut out the date window it would be an improvement.  As for the in house movement, that was a necessity if they wanted to be competitive with Rolex, JLC, Breitling, and Omega (all of which had or were developing some inhouse calibers).  As for your issue about my saying its "not really dressy" and "not really sporty"....the subdials and date cut out create a busy, less dressy watch, yet its not sporty either. Your attempt to say the same about Panerai or Rolex because of their wearers, is different.  The Panerai and Rolex Sub are both sports watches that were developed for diving, scuba etc. They are purely sports watches.  Sure people can wear them with a suit or some idiot who thinks he is James Bond might pair it with tux, its their choice.  They can chose to drive a Maserati Bora in a blizzard, but I wouldn't chose to.  The Royal Oak was designed as a luxury sports watch to be worn for probably everything other than diving or very dressy events where you would want a dedicated dive watch or a watch on a leather strap.   

IWC has not always made large watches...but they were early on in the trend with the 3713 Doppel around 1992/93.  Look at their production during the 1980s into the early 90s.  They only large watches they made back the 1980s were the watches designed by Porsche Design and which they were building for Porsche Design (the Ocean 2000, the Titan, and the Compass watch).  Their own 40mm Ingenieur SL Jumbo from rough 1976 shrank to roughly 34mm in the early to mid 80s.  Their DaVinci perpetual calendar chronograph was quite an achievement but the case was originally too damn small so all of the inner subdial were tiny and tough to read.  They only bumped it up in size many years later.  For several years after 1993 the only large watch they made was the Doppel chrono ref 3713.  The Portuguese line, the current/much larger revised Ingenieur, Big Pilot, etc all came much later. 

I liked IWCs of the past a lot more than I do today.  Maybe I just lament not being able to find one that I truly love these days.  No watch can be everything to everyone.  Perhaps something new from them at SIHH will renew my interest in the brand.
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

I'm happy you are happy with your watch, but your review is the horological equivalent of a teenager being impressed with his first Beats headphone.

I have no idea what a Beats headphone is.

I'm sorry you were disappointed in my review. As I have neither the tools, the skills, nor the inclination to disassemble the watch and inspect the movement, there's not much more I can really say about it other than the obvious things that are visible from just looking at it.

I don't really consider this a "review" thread anyway, just a place to post pictures of nice watches with comments.
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Agree with you. I don't know what that other guy's problem is..
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Originally Posted by Kai View Post

I have no idea what a Beats headphone is.
I'm sorry you were disappointed in my review. As I have neither the tools, the skills, nor the inclination to disassemble the watch and inspect the movement, there's not much more I can really say about it other than the obvious things that are visible from just looking at it.
I don't really consider this a "review" thread anyway, just a place to post pictures of nice watches with comments.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Far nicer looking than the 7 Day.  Thanks for sharing a photo.

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post #16169 of 34795
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

I don't hate IWC, but I'm not enamoured with any of their current offerings.  As for the Portugese being SF approved by some people, that means nothing to me.  I don't like the dial of the 7 day at all, but thats subjective...maybe if they had cut out the date window it would be an improvement.  As for the in house movement, that was a necessity if they wanted to be competitive with Rolex, JLC, Breitling, and Omega (all of which had or were developing some inhouse calibers).  As for your issue about my saying its "not really dressy" and "not really sporty"....the subdials and date cut out create a busy, less dressy watch, yet its not sporty either. Your attempt to say the same about Panerai or Rolex because of their wearers, is different.  The Panerai and Rolex Sub are both sports watches that were developed for diving, scuba etc. They are purely sports watches.  Sure people can wear them with a suit or some idiot who thinks he is James Bond might pair it with tux, its their choice.  They can chose to drive a Maserati Bora in a blizzard, but I wouldn't chose to.  The Royal Oak was designed as a luxury sports watch to be worn for probably everything other than diving or very dressy events where you would want a dedicated dive watch or a watch on a leather strap.   

IWC has not always made large watches...but they were early on in the trend with the 3713 Doppel around 1992/93.  Look at their production during the 1980s into the early 90s.  They only large watches they made back the 1980s were the watches designed by Porsche Design and which they were building for Porsche Design (the Ocean 2000, the Titan, and the Compass watch).  Their own 40mm Ingenieur SL Jumbo from rough 1976 shrank to roughly 34mm in the early to mid 80s.  Their DaVinci perpetual calendar chronograph was quite an achievement but the case was originally too damn small so all of the inner subdial were tiny and tough to read.  They only bumped it up in size many years later.  For several years after 1993 the only large watch they made was the Doppel chrono ref 3713.  The Portuguese line, the current/much larger revised Ingenieur, Big Pilot, etc all came much later. 

I liked IWCs of the past a lot more than I do today.  Maybe I just lament not being able to find one that I truly love these days.  No watch can be everything to everyone.  Perhaps something new from them at SIHH will renew my interest in the brand.

Dino - really appreciate your insights in this thread. You obviously have great taste and knowledge about watches. One thing I'd suggest is that the concept of versatility (and the related concept of dressiness vs. sportiness in a watch) is subjective to some degree, and depends on one's age, physique, and wardrobe/personal style. For example, there seems to be a consensus that white/silver watches in the 38mm size range and complications and on a brown leather strap (i.e. the type produced by every high end company like GO, Lange, Patek, JLC, etc) are "universal" watches for the modern professional. However, on me I think they look lifeless and discordant with my wardrobe which consists mainly of minimalistic pieces in cool colors. A Reverso or a Lange 1 or a Panomatic on my wrist would only express my ability to afford such a watch and have no harmony with the rest of my appearance. The same point would apply to Rolex sport watches, another category considered versatile and purposeful. In contrast, the sleek black dial and clean lines and large scale of a Portuguese would complement my hair, skin tone, long arms, greyscale clothes, etc.

Anyway, enough blabbering, here is a pic of my new 15400:
Edited by johanm - 12/21/12 at 8:06am
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Very nice Audemars Piguet!
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

Dino - really appreciate your insights in this thread. You obviously have great taste and knowledge about watches. One thing I'd suggest is that the concept of versatility (and the related concept of dressiness vs. sportiness in a watch) is subjective to some degree, and depends on one's age, physique, and wardrobe/personal style. For example, there seems to be a consensus that white/silver watches in the 38mm size range and complications and on a brown leather strap (i.e. the type produced by every high end company like GO, Lange, Patek, JLC, etc) are "universal" watches for the modern professional. However, on me I think they look lifeless and discordant with my wardrobe which consists mainly of minimalistic pieces in cool colors. A Reverso or a Lange 1 or a Panomatic on my wrist would only express my ability to afford such a watch and have no harmony with the rest of my appearance. The same point would apply to Rolex sport watches, another category considered versatile and purposeful. In contrast, the sleek black dial and clean lines and large scale of a Portuguese would complement my hair, skin tone, long arms, greyscale clothes, etc.
Anyway, enough blabbering, here is a pic of my new 15400:
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