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Hey guys,  I have a couple of high end watches that are great for travel, but I don't like wearing such expensive watches to third world countries. I was wondering if you guys could recommend some great travel watches at lower prices. Something under 5k please. Thanks! Also, why can't I post a new thread?

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dino,

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glad i saved a trip to the DMV (or here, MVA) i hate that place.
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I wouldn't kick any of those 5 pieces out of my watch box, but maybe more than anything I'm struggling with the OP's choice of the word "beautiful".

It's like a trick question to me. For some reason, it just doesn't seem to apply to this particular group.

I can look at certain Pateks (mainly chronos, or a world timer ?) and think..."Wow, that's beautiful".

Or even a vintage sub with just the right patina....yes....beautiful.

I'd be proud to wear any of those 5 watches, I really would, but the b-word...it just doesn't work for me here.

Now if you're asking me to rank them? Personal taste:

Royal Oak (slightly)>50 Fathoms>233>Port>Big Pilot

I've always loved the heritage/backstory on the FF in regards to dive watches-- and I love the sapphire bezel and even the sailcloth strap....shrink it down to say, 42mm and I'd be all over that one like a now-defunct Twinkie. Are you listening BlancpaiN? LOL.
Edited by Keith T - 12/18/12 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Hi Johanm,
Some interesting pieces there.  However when it comes to beauty, I only see two in the bunch that are beautiful and which I would seriously consider buying.[...]The 5001-09 is a piece that I just find boring.  It also seems to lack any true purpose.  Its not really dressy, its not really sporty, its just another big watch without much use to me.  I'd rather have a Portugese Chrono if I had to go with something from the Portugese line.  If I were set on getting something from IWC, I'd probably go vintage.

Good luck shopping and let us know what you decide.
Best regards,
Dino
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I wouldn't kick any of those 5 pieces out of my watch box, but maybe more than anything I'm struggling with the OP's choice of the word "beautiful".[...]
Sounds about right to me, too.

I'd definitely wear any one of those five, but buying them is a different story. With the exception of the RO and possibly the FF, they seem a bit unfocused design-wise to me, almost as if they were the luxury SUVs of the watch world. Apologies for the trite car comparison. Although there's no way I'd take the chrono Portuguese over an auto, Dino's comment about it being neither dressy nor sporty is exactly how I feel about it too, and it applies to some of the others as well.

In any case, out of those five, I'd easily pick the AP.
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Hi Johanm,

Some interesting pieces there.  However when it comes to beauty, I only see two in the bunch that are beautiful and which I would seriously consider buying.  Each is truly and iconic design and built for a different purpose.  I love the Royal Oak.  Some people love it, some hate it, but it created the genre of steel luxury sport watches.   The octagonal bezel with white gold hex bolts is distintive and elegant while remaining sporty.  Its a watch that upon close inspection you can see how much effort and care goes into creating each perfect beveled edge, each brushed surface and how they play against the polished surfaces.  The 15400 also has a beautifully finished inhouse movement.  If you do not have a RO it would make a great addition to your collection.  I recently bought the 2012 ultrathin RO 15202 and I love this watch.  Everything about it is on a level I have rarely seen with other sport watches.   

The other watch I think is beautiful, is the Panerai 233.  The design is iconic, it stands out from other sport watches with its cushion shaped case and lever mechanism for the crown.  In addition, the 233 uses a nice in house movement.  I really like its looks, but I just don't find a Panerais all the comfortable.  Still its a great looking watch.

Blancpain, makes a high quality watch.  However, I find them a bit boring.  The 50 Fathoms is a nice watch, but I just don't love anything about it enough to buy one.  To me its the sort of watch that if you put a Chopard Mille Miglia logo, Tag logo, or a logo from some other brand it could easily be from someone else.

IWC...I used to like their old pilot chronographs the 3706 and 3713 (which were simple and reasonably priced).  However, there is nothing from their current line up that I find even remotely attractive.  The Big Pilot is actually one of the least attractive and least comfortable watches in my eyes, but with big watches being "In", its size alone seems to have created quite a following.  As for the Portugese 5001-09,  I think are many watches I find more attractive and more versatile.  The 5001-09 is a piece that I just find boring.  It also seems to lack any true purpose.  Its not really dressy, its not really sporty, its just another big watch without much use to me.  I'd rather have a Portugese Chrono if I had to go with something from the Portugese line.  If I were set on getting something from IWC, I'd probably go vintage.

Good luck shopping and let us know what you decide.
Best regards,
Dino

Dino, how robust do you find the RO 15202? Do you wear it for gentle sports, or to the pool perhaps? Its 50m WR has always bugged me. In that regard, the VC Overseas is a much more suitable sporting watch.

Totally agree on IWC - what's up with them and their enormous sizes? Seems a little cheap to have an entire line-up of gigantic, thick designs. Their vintage cal 89 watches were certainly their zenith in terms of design.
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for simplicity, i have always wanted one of these.

Played with this and I think it looks and feels pretty cheap. Using the same movement as the RO is a little strange to me in an elegant dress watch. There are much more attractive ultrathins out there from VC (and JLC at the lower-end) than this Piguet.
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It is very difficult to concentrate on the Panerai with that fantastic-looking espresso staring me in the face. What I'm wearing today... Wittnauer / Longines from the 50's

What a beautiful vintage piece

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I have a timeless 1920's 18ct Cushion Oyster Rolex, that my late Father left me - It has a soft pink gold finish which slightly resembles my 1960s 9ct gold Rolex Precision.
 
Does anybody else here insure their watches, if so with which company please? 
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IWC...I used to like their old pilot chronographs the 3706 and 3713 (which were simple and reasonably priced).  However, there is nothing from their current line up that I find even remotely attractive.  The Big Pilot is actually one of the least attractive and least comfortable watches in my eyes, but with big watches being "In", its size alone seems to have created quite a following.  As for the Portugese 5001-09,  I think are many watches I find more attractive and more versatile.  The 5001-09 is a piece that I just find boring.  It also seems to lack any true purpose.  Its not really dressy, its not really sporty, its just another big watch without much use to me.  I'd rather have a Portugese Chrono if I had to go with something from the Portugese line.  If I were set on getting something from IWC, I'd probably go vintage.

I travel often to Asia and on every corner in major cities you'll find a poseur with 6" wrists wearing a Big Pilot. It's ridiculous.

I don't like any of the newer "sport' or "pilot" IWCs.

Their designs remind me of watches from Ball or Bell&Ross, i.e. your garden variety lower-mid tier watch company patronised by guidos, except with a veneer of credibility lent by the models that came before them so that somehow every dubiously/newly rich person with an internet connection has one and - hey presto - instant WIS cred!

I guess they are like BMWs - OK-nice cars, terrible clientele.

I have a 3741 and when I get my next IWC it will be a 3705.
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I travel often to Asia and on every corner in major cities you'll find a poseur with 6" wrists wearing a Big Pilot. It's ridiculous.

+1 gajillion. I landed in Singapore 9 hours ago and have already seen 3 ill-fitting Big Pilots... the look is retarded. I love the aesthetics of the Big Pilot (particularly in white gold with rhuthenium dial), but with 6.75" wrists I can't pull it off myself (not that this stops me from strapping one on every few months!)

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Hi Johanm,

Some interesting pieces there.  However when it comes to beauty, I only see two in the bunch that are beautiful and which I would seriously consider buying.  Each is truly and iconic design and built for a different purpose.  I love the Royal Oak.  Some people love it, some hate it, but it created the genre of steel luxury sport watches.   The octagonal bezel with white gold hex bolts is distintive and elegant while remaining sporty.  Its a watch that upon close inspection you can see how much effort and care goes into creating each perfect beveled edge, each brushed surface and how they play against the polished surfaces.  The 15400 also has a beautifully finished inhouse movement.  If you do not have a RO it would make a great addition to your collection.  I recently bought the 2012 ultrathin RO 15202 and I love this watch.  Everything about it is on a level I have rarely seen with other sport watches.   

Dino, I agree with everything you've written, and from your question a few days ago I'm absolutely still in awe of the proportions, understated presence and finishing of the 15202. Regarding the 15400, however, my own preference would be to downsize to the 15300, dozens of which are floating on the market at any given time at attractive pricing. Not only do I feel that 39" is a more timeless size for the Royal Oak, but the 15300 also has a more harmonious dial layout given that it's the same movement - but in the 39" case for which it was intended - as opposed to the 41" of the 15400. In principle and in practice, I just haven't seen very good examples of leveraging the same movement into a larger case, at least where apertures and subdials are involved. Just my $.02...
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+1

Really???  I don't even like the Portguese watch (it would be my last choice out of the ones suggested by the OP) and yet I think I'd choose one over a Dornbluth or Stowa.  Which Dornbluth or Stowa would you choose?

 

Like I said, I wouldn't buy any of them but based purely on aesthetics I'd probably go for the Portuguese (tho I didn't mention in my previous post that I think its overpriced).

 

The fundamental issue is this: I don't see the justification to spend so much an ETA powered movement when I could go buy a Sinn for the same aesthetic. Frankly I wouldn't buy ANY IWC pilot watch--I'd rather get a Stowa Flieger (no logo no date) and call it a day.

 

As for the dornbluth, the 99.4 is a good stand in for the Portuguese

 

EDIT: I also prefer the GO senator observer to the portuguese

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Played with this and I think it looks and feels pretty cheap. Using the same movement as the RO is a little strange to me in an elegant dress watch. There are much more attractive ultrathins out there from VC (and JLC at the lower-end) than this Piguet.

BLASPHEMY!!

here is another rather simple AP i like, btw.

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   that's gaudily interesting.  good work

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+1
Really???  I don't even like the Portguese watch (it would be my last choice out of the ones suggested by the OP)

Wow, you're certainly the minority. That watch is a classic. And stunning. And extremely well made.
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