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post #14416 of 31063
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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post


It also sounds like she's not a movement fetishist, so again the Rolex wins. Rolex movements are well made and bulletproof, but they are not finely finished like say Patek. You will never see a Rolex with a display back. It's a different philosophy from other high end watch Marques. If Dad takes her shopping and she gets captivated by display backs, then Rolex is the wrong choice.

Actually, the way Rolex has gone with styling, it seems like all of them are suitable for women. Even the men's watches have an ironic "butch" look to them that should appeal to women and girls. They just don't look like "serious" watches. But I must presume that they are still very well made.

Rolex and Patek are rarely direct competitors except maybe in terms of price (a new lower priced Pateks is around the mid to higher price range of Rolex). But the purpose of the watches are totally different (Patek making a much finer dress watch, Rolex making a rugged watch you can beat the hell out of...I've seen a Calatrava that the owner whacked against a door way and broke the lug... I've never seen someone break the lug off of a Submariner).

Very few ladies watches have display backs as most are quartz... so that's probably an irrelevant issue.

Not sure why you think current Rolex watches don't look like serious watches? I own a few Rolex watches, but also some much "finer watches" and I consider the Rolex watches to be serious looking watches, they are much more rugged and can probably withstand more punishment than my "finer watches." No watch can be everything to every buyer, and that's why it's good to have a few pieces to fit various owners' needs.
post #14417 of 31063
Well, my tendency to bash Rolex comes from an appreciation of what they looked like in years past. Up until the 90s the Sub had a very classic, functional look. Then they added the blingy markers and the glossy enamel dials. Granted the new dials don't crinkle up in the sun. My "new" Tudor sub looks like it has melanoma, but I enjoy looking at it. I had a late production Sea Dweller and got bored with it. And the Deep Sea, Sky Dweller, and Yacht-Master just look comical to me, with all the word salad on their dials. The GMT seems to work with the new styling. And it also looks like Rolex is finally supplying decent bracelets with their watches.

Basically it seems as if Rolex got scared of Omega. The SMP was a real jump in quality, and when they started coming out with the retro designs, culminating in the PO, Rolex apparently felt some Botox was in order. Now Omega is introducing proprietary movements. Between quartz models and cellphone clocks, appreciation of the movement itself is becoming a bigger part of the appeal of a mechanical watch.

It just seems like if you wanted to buy a Rolex Sub 30 years ago, you would want a Sinn or Seiko Prospex if you want the same sort of watch now. Or for Rolex prices you could get an IWC. Or for a little more a JLC, though their technical watches are rather goofy looking too. If you're willing to spend $6k for a watch, why not $10k? Then you hit the lower end of brands like Patek.
post #14418 of 31063
Hayward,

I'm with you on the DSSD, Sky-Dweller, & Yachtmaster II. Silly looking watches I'd never buy. However, there is no denying watches like the Daytona, GMT, Sub...and Explorer II (tried a few on recently and I think with the wider bracelet and sloped lugs it may be better proportioned than the new GMT or Sub) are serious looking watches with a purpose. Also for many years Daytonas were grossly underpriced when compared to prices of th VC Overseas, AP RO chronos, Breguet chronos, and BP chronos.

I think you unfairly bash Rolex while giving Omega a "Free pass.". You mention Rolex getting scared & giving their watches some Botox. What in the world did Omega do with the Constellation...looks like some serious injection of steroids...and it's not an improvement. The Sea-Master used to completely change appeared every decade and until the last 10-15 years Omega couldn't find classic style..,so there are lots of dated editions from past decades. In addition, Omega even copied the famous "Paul Newman/exotic dial" Daytonas on one vetionof their Speedmaster. The PO is a good watch, but I can't say I would choose it over a Sub. To me the one really great watch they make is the Speedy Pro....but some would say it's current movement isn't as good in terms of quality of materials used current Speedy Pros.

As for JLC, their Master Series and Reversos are great watches. Not sure they are rugged enough to use as daily wearers. I think of the as makers of dress watches(even if Reversos were created for polo. Most of their sport watches are goofy looking.

Even great companies like Patek & JLC, AP and VC have produced"dogs."

IWC is hit or miss in term of designs. As for Sinn, some look quite handsome, but basically they makes cases to stuff rather basic ETA movements in to.

I like lots of brands, and all are subject to making mistakes.
Edited by Dino944 - 10/4/12 at 6:33am
post #14419 of 31063
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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post

On the gift front it looks like Rolex no longer makes the Air King, but do make a 36mm Lady Datejust. That company is just bonkers now. Madoff must've stolen their brains along with their money.

seriously, they stopped making the air king? that was one of their best, most classic designs with a wonderful aviation heritage. what a shame...
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The great thing with watches are, is there is a great variety of watches to be enjoyed. As stated by others there are some from each brand which I don't like as much as I like others. However everybody has their own opinion. But the market place usually has a way of eventually dictating who the winners are and who the losers truly are.

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First off, thanks guys for the suggestions. Now to address...
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I completely understand Kaplan, and I think that the 36mm Explorer really would be a solid choice. I may actually suggest that the more I think about it, as she does wear a less expensive pilot watch from time to time. Thanks!
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I will check the Santos 100 out, to be honest I did not really even think about the Santos line. From my quick google search, that looks like a great suggestion!
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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post

On the gift front it looks like Rolex no longer makes the Air King, but do make a 36mm Lady Datejust. That company is just bonkers now. Madoff must've stolen their brains along with their money.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post


Unfortunately, as much as I would like to take my mother shopping, my parents are currently on a couples trip in Europe, and both of the husbands have decided to purchase their respective wives a new watch. It is painful to watch my inheritance slipping away from me, one city at a time. At least I am getting a pair of Vass out of the deal (interested to see what my folks pick out...).

That is good to hear about the durability of the Tank Francaise. Personally, that would be my go-to choice for an every day wearer. The lack of water resistance is a bit worrisome, but I think that the watch more than makes up for it in its elegance and classic looks. Once again, I will be sure to check out the Santos more. And I will nix Piaget.

I think that the Rolex Datejust is a solid choice, and probably the "best," but the normalcy of it kind of bothers me. I guess it is not for me though. Personally, I think that aesthetically speaking, the Cartier's watches are just so much more elegant and effeminate than Rolex's. I have not had too much experience with Chopard either, but I read a great article on ThePurists about their Imperiale line.

Thanks for your 2c Dino, always very appreciated.
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Great call on that one... That is definitely in the price range.
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Rolex does make a bunch of sense. The practical side always steers towards the darned crown.
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I actually thought about the IWC Mark "something." I think that she would actually like that. I am sure some of the olders, smaller ones are kicking around some of the ADs. She wears a pilot watch often, so that is definitely an idea.
post #14422 of 31063
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

Love the size and look of that one, Kapp. Lovely inlove.gif

Thanks.

That is really weird but I still love this vintage smile.gif

post #14423 of 31063
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Originally Posted by oisin View Post

newcomer, have you thought about some men's watches? depending on her build, i think some men's watches can look good on women, even moms. My gf's mom sometimes wears an IWC pilot that i think is quite proper on her, and my gf has her dad's AP royal oak that is fantastic (out of that price range though). rolex also seems like a good call.

this is true. have seen ladies looking great, in mens watches.
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First off, thanks guys for the suggestions. Now to address...

Great call on that one... That is definitely in the price range.

my pleasure. to me, its pretty much the ideal ladies watch. i wish my wife cared to have one, and that i could buy her one.
post #14424 of 31063
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Hayward,
I'm with you on the DSSD, Sky-Dweller, & Yachtmaster II. Silly looking watches I'd never buy. However, there is no denying watches like the Daytona, GMT, Sub...and Explorer II (tried a few on recently and I think with the wider bracelet and sloped lugs it may be better proportioned than the new GMT or Sub) are serious looking watches with a purpose. Also for many years Daytonas were grossly underpriced when compared to prices of th VC Overseas, AP RO chronos, Breguet chronos, and BP chronos.
I think you unfairly bash Rolex while giving Omega a "Free pass.". You mention Rolex getting scared & giving their watches some Botox. What in the world did Omega do with the Constellation...looks like some serious injection of steroids...and it's not an improvement. The Sea-Master used to completely change appeared every decade and until the last 10-15 years Omega couldn't find classic style..,so there are lots of dated editions from past decades. In addition, Omega even copied the famous "Paul Newman/exotic dial" Daytonas on one vetionof their Speedmaster. The PO is a good watch, but I can't say I would choose it over a Sub. To me the one really great watch they make is the Speedy Pro....but some would say it's current movement isn't as good in terms of quality of materials used current Speedy Pros.
As for JLC, their Master Series and Reversos are great watches. Not sure they are rugged enough to use as daily wearers. I think of the as makers of dress watches(even if Reversos were created for polo. Most of their sport watches are goofy looking.
Even great companies like Patek & JLC, AP and VC have produced"dogs."
IWC is hit or miss in term of designs. As for Sinn, some look quite handsome, but basically they makes cases to stuff rather basic ETA movements in to.
I like lots of brands, and all are subject to making mistakes.

 

I can't argue with most of what you say. I do think your assessment of Sinn is a bit unfair. The movements may be stock, but the level of finish is at least the equal of what Rolex does with theirs. And the U and 103 series, at least to me, are the exemplar for "tool watches." The 600 and 700 series, not so much. I'm flipping my 656 as we speak, but my U1 and 103 Ti Ar UTC are keepers. 

 

Actually, it's a shame they aren't selling Tudor in the US anymore, as the Black Bay and Pelagos look interesting. In fact, a scaled down Pelagos in steel would make a nice Sea Dweller successor as opposed to the Deep Sea. Ti would be nice but it seems difficult to get it right - Omega's titanium looks like plastic. Seiko seems to get coated ti right. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by robinsongreen68 View Post


seriously, they stopped making the air king? that was one of their best, most classic designs with a wonderful aviation heritage. what a shame...

 

No I goofed here. They still make Air Kings. They are probably the least goofy looking of the line. 

 

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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

The great thing with watches are, is there is a great variety of watches to be enjoyed. As stated by others there are some from each brand which I don't like as much as I like others. However everybody has their own opinion. But the market place usually has a way of eventually dictating who the winners are and who the losers truly are.

 

Yes. In my opinion the market consensus is goofy.

 

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Thanks.
That is really weird but I still love this vintage smile.gif

 

I like this! 

post #14425 of 31063
Wearing the Patek at work today. Man do I love this watch, wish it was mine.

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Some close up pr0n

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post #14426 of 31063
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Wearing the Patek at work today.

O man, this is unbelievably awesome watch. One of the best model from Patek.
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still loving my GMT

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still loving my GMT
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Very nice.

post #14429 of 31063
no reason not to!!

funny story, a dude tried selling us that watch last week. we turned him down. it was fake. to date, best fake i have ever seen. model and serial number behind the band between lugs, and inside the bezel, he had opened it up and it had the red wheels on the movement, and engraved rolex verbage....very legit looking. but fake nonetheless. we got a warning call a few hours later from another place that bought it, and got stuck holding the bag for 2K.

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post #14430 of 31063
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

no reason not to!!
funny story, a dude tried selling us that watch last week. we turned him down. it was fake. to date, best fake i have ever seen. model and serial number behind the band between lugs, and inside the bezel, he had opened it up and it had the red wheels on the movement, and engraved rolex verbage....very legit looking. but fake nonetheless. we got a warning call a few hours later from another place that bought it, and got stuck holding the bag for 2K.
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Just curious, as I've never owned a Rolex. Is it possible to verify matching model and serial numbers with a database maintained by the factory, or is the potential collector left to his own devices to determine authenticity?

Lange verifies matching numbers for model, case and movement - I have found this to be useful on both sides of trades.
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