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A complicated complication.
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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

Well you might say I set it, but I never set it accurately. I did figure out the process to do it accurately at one point, however since I usually only wear a watch once at any given period I always figured it look nicer to set it where you could see the moon.

You may still be the only person I've chatted with that set it, even if you didn't set it accurately.  So I'll give you a B+ for effort. fistbump.gif

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

You may still be the only person I've chatted with that set it, even if you didn't set it accurately.  So I'll give you a B+ for effort. fistbump.gif

I'll take it.

 

They really do look quite nice.

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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post

I have seen cheap watches with the moon phase feature, can they be set to work correctly?
I am assuming the moon phase is a complicated feature.

It's a complication, but it's not that complicated, and yes it can be set to work correctly.

 

Generally you'll have a pusher on the watch dedicated to nothing but adjusting the moon phase. Or at least that's what I have seen so far. As with any adjustment you manually make it's always best to make sure you set the watch to 6:30 AM first.  The danger window for making manual adjustments typically lays somewhere between 8:00 PM and 3:00 AM in which no manual adjustments to the watch should be made other than the actual time itself. That's because betwen these times the gears are so aligned that changes are already in motion. If you adjust anything but time within this period you run the risk of damaging something within the watch.

 

Anyway some adjustments are made such as the time and other things like the date depending on the watch by the crown. Then others will have more than one stem or crown like device on the other side of the watch which is used to make adjustments to other complications. Then those which have even more complications like mine will have pushers which are flush on the side of the case. The watch will come with a small stick like device which is used to depress these pushers and adjust these settings. Depending on the number and type of complications will determine on certain watches such as perpetual calendars which ones need to be adjusted in which order. For these type of watches it is best to use a winder when not wearing as it could take a bit to set them up correctly.

 

 

However with the one I had it wasn't even an annual calendar so it didn't take that much time really, so I never put mine on a winder.   

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Thread Starter 
Moonphase is really not a complex complication. Basically the same as a date wheel but with a slightly different gear ratio so that the revolution takes 29 days rather than 31. Pretty basic stuff.
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My latest watch in my Japan collection: Seiko SARN003 (Retrograde GMT)



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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post

I have seen cheap watches with the moon phase feature, can they be set to work correctly?
I am assuming the moon phase is a complicated feature.
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Moonphase is really not a complex complication. Basically the same as a date wheel but with a slightly different gear ratio so that the revolution takes 29 days rather than 31. Pretty basic stuff.


for the most part i believe that gdl is correct. however, there is a significant amount of complication in creating a moon phase that does not need any adjustments for hundreds of, or even a thousand years.

the phases of the moon are not quite set on an exact 29 day cycle, so creating a moon phase that does not need to be adjusted for a significant amount of time, is a rather complicated feature.

most cheap watches that have moon phases, are either non functional at all, or set on a strict 29 day cycle, and over time would become off cycle if unadjusted by the owner.
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for the most part i believe that gdl is correct. however, there is a significant amount of complication in creating a moon phase that does not need any adjustments for hundreds of, or even a thousand years.
the phases of the moon are not quite set on an exact 29 day cycle, so creating a moon phase that does not need to be adjusted for a significant amount of time, is a rather complicated feature.
most cheap watches that have moon phases, are either non functional at all, or set on a strict 29 day cycle, and over time would become off cycle if unadjusted by the owner.

Your absolutely right, I totally forgot about this.

 

However I wouldn't call the JLC cheap, but it certainly isn't considered as expensive say as the type of watch your talking about Stitches.

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Moo, DDD, GDL, Stitch;

Thanks for the replies guys!

I was not implying that anyone on this thread has a cheap watch, I was referring to watches I have seen at CVS/Walgreens/RiteAid.
Edited by CalTex - 9/6/12 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post

Moo, DDD, GDL, Stitch;
Thanks for the replies guys!
I was implying that anyone on this thread has a cheap watch, I was referring to watches I have seen at CVS/Walgreens/RiteAid.

No offense taken, in fact great question.

 

 

Thanks for asking.

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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

Your absolutely right, I totally forgot about this.

However I wouldn't call the JLC cheap, but it certainly isn't considered as expensive say as the type of watch your talking about Stitches.

i certainly would not call it cheap either. as cal said above, he was referring to real cheap watches, my answer was directed at that.

funny story, we actually bought that exact watch today at work, only on a brown strap.
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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post

Moo, DDD, GDL, Stitch;
Thanks for the replies guys!
I was not implying that anyone on this thread has a cheap watch, I was referring to watches I have seen at CVS/Walgreens/RiteAid.

no p. and i understood ya, never thought you were dissing anyones watch here. smile.gif
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i certainly would not call it cheap either. as cal said above, he was referring to real cheap watches, my answer was directed at that.
funny story, we actually bought that exact watch today at work, only on a brown strap.
no p. and i understood ya, never thought you were dissing anyones watch here. smile.gif

Congrats.

 

 

I actually got the Brown Croc with that watch as well. At the time all I had was Black strap watches, and I wanted one on Brown so the AD through one in for free.

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


however, there is a significant amount of complication in creating a moon phase that does not need any adjustments for hundreds of, or even a thousand years.
the phases of the moon are not quite set on an exact 29 day cycle, so creating a moon phase that does not need to be adjusted for a significant amount of time, is a rather complicated feature.
 

 

Yes, I believe that the moonphase in some Pateks and Langes are said to be accurate for upto roughly 120 years.  But in any event, I believe as you suggest they are also more precise and divide the cycle into a very exact number rather than just rounding it to 29 days.  

 

However, I do wonder what they mean by it not requiring any adjustment for 100+ years, and if that is simply based on a hypothetical using their mathematical forumals and going with an assumption that the watch will be continuously worn and powered for all of those years.  Realistically, most people will take the watch off at some point and it will lose power and have to be reset.  In addition, even if someone wore it non-stop after several years it would need to go in for a service and it might get a little fine tuning. 

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Need to purchase my first real time piece.

 

I am thinking of getting a silver bracelet, which I can always change to leather later.

 

The watch has to be automatic too.

 

I came up with these choices, they are all under my £900 budget.

 

Which one do you prefer? I would be wearing them with a suit and casually.

 

http://www.goldsmiths.co.uk/product/longines-sport-conquest-gents-watch-l36764766

 

http://www.goldsmiths.co.uk/product/longines-flagship-gents-watch-l47744126

 

http://www.goldsmiths.co.uk/product/longines-sport-hydroconquest-gents-watch-l36424566

 

I am too indecisive, so any help would be greatly appreciated. For an answer that really helps me out, I will send you a random gift in the mail.

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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

Congrats.


I actually got the Brown Croc with that watch as well. At the time all I had was Black strap watches, and I wanted one on Brown so the AD through one in for free.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Yes, I believe that the moonphase in some Pateks and Langes are said to be accurate for upto roughly 120 years.  But in any event, I believe as you suggest they are also more precise and divide the cycle into a very exact number rather than just rounding it to 29 days.  

However, I do wonder what they mean by it not requiring any adjustment for 100+ years, and if that is simply based on a hypothetical using their mathematical forumals and going with an assumption that the watch will be continuously worn and powered for all of those years.  Realistically, most people will take the watch off at some point and it will lose power and have to be reset.  In addition, even if someone wore it non-stop after several years it would need to go in for a service and it might get a little fine tuning. 

i assume it is based on mathematical calculations, the same way different perpetual calendars can be predicted accurate for different lengths of time. and surely it assumes the watch is worn, or on a winder. im sure there is fine tuning when it is serviced, but i guess in theory, even if they left that part alone, it may be able to keep its pace assuming the watch is in working order.
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