Originally Posted by fritzl
dino, thank you for your thoughtful insight. It's always a pleasure to read.
I'm not exactly in the market for a new watch. I stumbled across an ad in a magazine and the quoted price of € 2400,- seemed pretty reasonable. did a little research on my own. actually, i like the burgundy bezel.
Hi fritzl, earlier I meant to say thank you for the kind words about my previous post.
The more I look at the red/burgandy bezel, the more I like it. In addtition, the more I thought about the price, the more I thought this watch represents a fantastic opportunity for Rolex/Tudor, particularly here in the US to get a strong foothold in the under $5,000 market for sports watches in the US. I was just in a Rolex AD yesterday, and I saw the the Non-Date Ceramic Sub for the first time in person. Overall, I liked the watch. Over the years I've owned 3 Subs and each had the date. But these watches are starting to carry prices that seem a bit high for a steel Rolex. The non-date Sub was $7,500 and the Sub Date was $8550. To be honest I was surprised the price difference was so great. Years ago the price difference was only a few hundred dollars and the differences for a while were more significant (such as different movement, no chronometer cert. for the no date, and then there was the solid end links on the Sub Date, and then more recently, there was the ceramic bezel and solid bracelet to further distinguish the two watches and price differences. I think when the non-date Sub was closer to $6,000 someone who might spend upto $5,000 might stretch and spend a bit more to get it. But now the gap between those wanting a new Rolex Sub but who can only spend around $5K are even further from their wish of owning one. However, the Tudor if as you suggest hits our shores at around $3,000 that might satisfiy a lot of would be buyers desires to own a Sub, and maybe take some sales from other companies with watches prices significantly less than a Rolex Sub.
However, I think for this Tudor to really have some good sales figures in the States, Rolex will have to spend some money and advertise the watch. I regularly see advertisements for various Rolex watches in many types of magazines such as watch magazines, automobile magazines, fashion magazines, travel magazines, and sports magazines. However, the few times I see ads for Tudor in US magazines, its only in watch magazines. I never see ads for Tudors in automobile magazines, sports magazines, or travel magazines. I think Rolex should spend some money and spread the word about this great new diving watch. With such a reasonable price its a great opportunity for Rolex/Tudor, now its a matter of whether they really take advantage of this watch a market it properly. I guess we will have to wait and see what Rolex does with this watch. Even if you decide its not the right watch for you, I look forward to hearing your thoughts once you have seen it in person.
Originally Posted by academe
I had the same reaction to the price of the Historique watches and the other VCs I have seen. In the UK the 1968 will run you a cool £27,060. I suppose I don't love the 1968 enough to pay that kind of money for it. I am also not entirely convinced by the tone of the gold; I'd prefer a slightly pinker/reddish gold rather than the yellower tones of the Historique.
The Parmigiani is also lovely, but I had similar concerns about dealers and servicing. I live in northern Scotland, and I would have to go to London to find a Parmigiani AD. When you plan on owning a watch for at least 30 years or more, you do think hard about whether or not it will be easy to maintain in the long-term.
By contrast I have very little to complain about the AP JA Extra-Thin and everything to like. I like the mixture of polished and brushed finishing; the size of the case really gives the watch serious wrist presence, the sunburst dial is subtle yet radiant, and I have a good relationship with an AD. When my RO has needed servicing in the past I have always found the staff that I have dealt with to be attentive, polite and competent. No complaints. I also like that AP is still independently/family owned and not part of a giant conglomerate.
I agree with you and would also prefer a deeper pink color for the gold used on the VC 1968. For some reasone, VC uses 4N pink gold on the 1968 (which is almost yellow), rather than the deeper pink color they get using 5N pink gold, which is what they use on the Historique American 1921, and the Chronometer Royal 1907, and the Aronde 1954. If you look at VC's website even the computer images show that the watches like the 1968 that are 4N pink gold look nearly yellow. I really do not understand why they use 2 different shade of pink gold on their watches.
I think the Parmigiani is a beautiful watch, but the longer term outlook for parts and service issue would make me uncomfortable on an expensive watch. A friend of mine spent roughly $140,000 on a tourbillion made by a very small very obscure company. He got to give them some of his own in put to make the watch more special and specifically for him, which is cool. Its very rare as they only make a handful of watches per year. Its a nice watch, however, I don't think its nicer than any tourbillions from more established companies such as AP, VC, Lange, Piaget, etc. Further, if I were him I'd worry that if the head of the company/the watch maker dies (as he is at last 60), that parts and service could be a nightmare turning his rare and largely hand made tourbillion into and rare handmade paperweight if a part breaks.
It sounds like the Jules Audemars is the right watch for you as it will fit your needs, its not rediculous in terms of price, and you know they will be around for a long time to handle service issues. I also like that the company is still owned by someone from one of the founding families, rather than being under the umbrella of a huge conglomerate that makes everything from tooth brushes to frozen pizza. Its a company and an owner dedicated to the ideals and pricipals of its founders. Good luck and keep us posted as you go through the research and possible purchase process.