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Originally Posted by depechedior View Post

Yes yellow gold...
 

I don't actually like gold on watches. But classic models like that and a bonus Patek, looks so stunning! Enjoy it and the most important thing, take care of it!

post #13067 of 39154
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I honestly don't care about the movements overly much; I have a lot of watches with complicated movements (2 x Lange datograph perpetual, Portuguese minute repeater) and I'm primarily concerned with aesthetics and comfort.

 

Everyone has their reasons for buying certain watches.  My issue with Panerais is not that the movements are not complicated enough, its that their movements are often found in far less expensive watches.   For me if I spent $5K, $10K or more and found that the watch I was wearing had a movement that was also used to power a $700 watch, it would annoy me.  Kind of like if I bought a BMW M5 only to pop the hood and find it was an engine from a Kia but that it had BMW badges on it. 

 

I love the color blue used for the dial and strap on your Panerai.  Its a nice change from the black, white, and sometimes brown I have seen them use on dials in the past.  My big wish for Panerai is more in house movments or the use of movements from finer companies such as F.Piguet, JLC (since its under the same ownership), maybe Zenith...rather than using Unitas, Valjoux etc.

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Originally Posted by Edgein View Post

I guess it's just the collector mentality.  I have many friends who collect wine and have X times as much as they can drink in several lifetimes.  My point is why would you want 3-4 of the same watch, even if it's just a different color/gold.  Variety is the spice.  Then again if you like dating twins...

Yeah, i too would go for different models before i doubled up, but YMMV.
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There are plenty of Panerai watches using in-house movements these days.  I'm a bit of a movement snob myself, but there are loads of ETA, Valjoux, etc-based watches I admire and desire. And, for what it's worth, Panerai historically was a casemaker, using externally-supplied movements, so there is actually plenty of historical precedent for the use of outsourced movements in these watches.  I'm not saying that spending $6K on a watch with a simple Unitas movement makes good economical sense, but since when did any aspect of this hobby make any sense?

 

Now, when Panerai throws a nice in-house movement in something that looks like this...well I guess I'm a fanboy, and yes, I'm smitten.

 

1000

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Originally Posted by drizzt3117 View Post

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Beautiful Daylight - love the blues.
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Originally Posted by dukerules View Post

There are plenty of Panerai watches using in-house movements these days.  I'm a bit of a movement snob myself, but there are loads of ETA, Valjoux, etc-based watches I admire and desire. And, for what it's worth, Panerai historically was a casemaker, using externally-supplied movements, so there is actually plenty of historical precedent for the use of outsourced movements in these watches.  I'm not saying that spending $6K on a watch with a simple Unitas movement makes good economical sense, but since when did any aspect of this hobby make any sense?

 

Now, when Panerai throws a nice in-house movement in something that looks like this...well I guess I'm a fanboy, and yes, I'm smitten.

 

1000


+1

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Do as much research as possible, but then buy a watch you're happy with.

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Duke, that panny is a beaut.

Im strongly considering the 112, and the lack of in house movement doesnt bother me at all.

Does anyone know, do they retool the outsourced movements, or just pop them in as is?
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Duke, that panny is a beaut.
Im strongly considering the 112, and the lack of in house movement doesnt bother me at all.
Does anyone know, do they retool the outsourced movements, or just pop them in as is?

They're all retooled to some extent, but not as extensively as some of the outsourced IWCs, Blancpains, boutique German brands etc.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Duke, that panny is a beaut.
Im strongly considering the 112, and the lack of in house movement doesnt bother me at all.
Does anyone know, do they retool the outsourced movements, or just pop them in as is?

They do a bit of work to the original movement, adding a swan's neck regulator and decorative bridges.  So not a whole lot.  I know plenty of people who would never buy a non-in-house movement PAM because of the perceived lack of value in the movement.  YMMV.

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I have another watch that has an in house movement (JLC), so im satisfied on that front for now. I have the panny bug, and the movement issue doesnt bother me. Was just curious, thanks for the info, guys.

If i land one, ill be sure to post it here. smile.gif
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I have the panny bug

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Thread Starter 
FWIW, the "in-house" movement (in the Richemnt house, I guess) are a relatively recent phenomenon for Panerai and mostly a marketing strategy to increase prices and ensure continuity if/when Swatch Group continues to make ebauches less accessible to third parties.

In reality, outsourced movements are much more aligned with Panerai's history and DNA. OP was primarily a case and dial maker and sourced Rolex and Angelus movements. It never was or claimed to be in the horology business but rather a maker of tools for the marina militare, among which this new design of watch case, luminous dial, and, later, crown protector to ensure better water resistance. When Vendome bought the "modern OP" in the late 90's, they had revived old watch designs but replicated the same approach as OP did decades before: focus on the case and dial and use readily available movements. Vendome continued that, incorporating a number or specialty movements here and there for Ltd Editions, but always sourced.
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Looks like Rory's caddie and dad both rock APRO's.  I think they are one of his sponsors.  Amazing display of golf on a tough course.

post #13079 of 39154
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Originally Posted by dukerules View Post

There are plenty of Panerai watches using in-house movements these days.  I'm a bit of a movement snob myself, but there are loads of ETA, Valjoux, etc-based watches I admire and desire. And, for what it's worth, Panerai historically was a casemaker, using externally-supplied movements, so there is actually plenty of historical precedent for the use of outsourced movements in these watches.  I'm not saying that spending $6K on a watch with a simple Unitas movement makes good economical sense, but since when did any aspect of this hobby make any sense?

 

Now, when Panerai throws a nice in-house movement in something that looks like this...well I guess I'm a fanboy, and yes, I'm smitten.

 

1000

 

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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

FWIW, the "in-house" movement (in the Richemnt house, I guess) are a relatively recent phenomenon for Panerai and mostly a marketing strategy to increase prices and ensure continuity if/when Swatch Group continues to make ebauches less accessible to third parties.
In reality, outsourced movements are much more aligned with Panerai's history and DNA. OP was primarily a case and dial maker and sourced Rolex and Angelus movements. It never was or claimed to be in the horology business but rather a maker of tools for the marina militare, among which this new design of watch case, luminous dial, and, later, crown protector to ensure better water resistance. When Vendome bought the "modern OP" in the late 90's, they had revived old watch designs but replicated the same approach as OP did decades before: focus on the case and dial and use readily available movements. Vendome continued that, incorporating a number or specialty movements here and there for Ltd Editions, but always sourced.

Hi Guys,

 

Yes I'm aware of Panerai's history of using outsourced movements.   I'm not against Panerai using outsourced movements, I'm opposed to them using ordinary or rather inexpensive movements, and then charging a lot for their watches.  Please understand that I am not opposed to spending good money on a watch with an outsourced movement (I have a Cartier Tank XL with a Piaget movement and a Rolex Daytona that used a Zenith El Primero as a base).   Outsourced movements have been used in many of the finest brands including Patek, AP, and  VC.  

 

What I am opposed to is spending a lot of money on a watch say $6K on a Panerai knowing that the same base Unitas movement or ETA movement is sitting in my friend's $700 watch.  If the PAM was say $2K and it used a movement that is found in watches that are $700-$,1000 well its more understandable at the price point.  At more than $5K its a tough pill to swallow.  Also, I've seen the movements in the base PAM, they do some work on it but just not enough to really differentiate it from the the base movement or justify its price.  However, as long as people buy the models that have ordinary movements in them Panerai will continue to use them. 

 

Also if you read the last sentence of my eariler post I said "My big wish for Panerai is more in house movements or the use of movements from finer companies such as F.Piguet, JLC (since its under the same ownership), maybe Zenith...rather than using Unitas, Valjoux etc."  So I'm not saying they have to use only in house movements, I wish that their outsourced movements were movements that from what are considered finer movement makers and movements that I will not be seeing in $700-$1,000 dollar watches. 

 

There is nothing wrong with a watch that used an ETA or Valjoux movment.  Afterall, they will get the job done and if you are satisfied with the end product thats all that matters at the end of the day. However, when putting a good some of money into a watch, I'd prefer that it didn't use an ordinary movement once the watch is in a certain price range.  YMMV.

 

Best regards,

Dino

post #13080 of 39154
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Originally Posted by Edgein View Post

Looks like Rory's caddie and dad both rock APRO's.  I think they are one of his sponsors.  Amazing display of golf on a tough course.

 Yes, you are correct, AP is one of Rory's sponsors.

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