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post #12121 of 21258
5/21/12 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

It's also platinum so heavy stuff

i lust for a plat watch one day. i like how patek puts a little diamond between the bottom lugs on their plat cases. out of sight, but still cool imo.
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post #12122 of 21258
5/21/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Sorry but that's just bullshit - also known as "your opinion". Swapping hands do not waste anything in a watch, especially if done by a decent watchmaker and if keeping the original hands if he wants/needs to swap them back later. It's fine to feel wrong about it, of course. But I've modded the hands of a watch before and was dramatically happier about the result than the original - never wanted to go back to the original. See post #2, the most famous watch on a wrist post in the history of the internets evar!!

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post #12123 of 21258
5/21/12 at 12:46pm
I thought only Rolex certified repair centres have access to genuine Rolex parts. And that Rolex has a policy that does not allow
owners or watchmakers to maintain possession of swapped-out parts.

2 scenarios exist if true: You mod with aftermarket non-Rolex hands; or forfeit the 5513 hands for genuine 5517 hands. Either option would not be an option for me.
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post #12124 of 21258
5/21/12 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Sorry but that's just bullshit - also known as "your opinion". Swapping hands do not waste anything in a watch, especially if done by a decent watchmaker and if keeping the original hands if he wants/needs to swap them back later. It's fine to feel wrong about it, of course. But I've modded the hands of a watch before and was dramatically happier about the result than the original - never wanted to go back to the original. See post #2 of this thread

Yeah, but that was at a fraction of the cost of a set of MilSub hands (and didn't faux one of the worlds most desired models - although the 232/21 are nice).
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post #12125 of 21258
5/21/12 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by saysomething View Post

I thought only Rolex certified repair centres have access to genuine Rolex parts. And that Rolex has a policy that does not allow
owners or watchmakers to maintain possession of swapped-out parts.
2 scenarios exist if true: You mod with aftermarket non-Rolex hands; or forfeit the 5513 hands for genuine 5517 hands. Either option would not be an option for me.

Very easy - because there are no MilSub hands available from service centres (and originals don't come cheap...).
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post #12126 of 21258
5/21/12 at 1:09pm
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Well yeah obviously you would have to mod it outside of the official Rolex service center network - Rolex is not going to turn a 5513 into a 5517. Clearly the ideal would be with original hands (but very unlikely as hard to find and expensive), so most likely with aftermarket hands. And of course, you would keep the original 5513 hands since it would be done by an independent watchmaker.

I wouldn't do it - but that's because I like my 5513 the way it is. But I don't see it as crazy at all to do this if someone really prefers the sword hands - there's really no downside since he can always switch back. I can see how it can be seen as making a "fake" but if it's a watch he would keep and not sell, then who's to say that one cannot modify a genuine article to make it more to one's liking. I really don't have any problem with this.
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post #12127 of 21258
5/21/12 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by Singular View Post

Yeah, but that was at a fraction of the cost of a set of MilSub hands (and didn't faux one of the worlds most desired models - although the 232/21 are nice).

I turned it into a watch that didn't exist at that time - I guess it looked like a 45mm version of a PAM 21... hence the nickname I gave it (PAM 21-0)

I get your point about the original hands and I don't disagree that it's a stretch - yet, I still don't see how swapping hands on a 5513 would be a waste of a watch, and don't see either how every cent spent on altering a watch is wasted - whether that's worth it or not is so completely personal.
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post #12128 of 21258
5/21/12 at 1:18pm
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I turned it into a watch that didn't exist at that time - I guess it looked like a 45mm version of a PAM 21...
I get your point about the original hands and I don't disagree that it's a stretch - yet, I still don't see how swapping hands on a 5513 would be a waste of a watch, and don't see either how every cent spent on altering a watch is wasted - whether that's worth it or not is so completely personal.

I think you're misunderstanding. He assumes that the only way to obtain the hands is to gut an authentic 5513. You seem to eventually agree that is one way of swapping hands. He says its a waste to gut a watch solely for the hands and you blast him....
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post #12129 of 21258
5/21/12 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

I turned it into a watch that didn't exist at that time - I guess it looked like a 45mm version of a PAM 21... hence the nickname I gave it (PAM 21-0)
I get your point about the original hands and I don't disagree that it's a stretch - yet, I still don't see how swapping hands on a 5513 would be a waste of a watch, and don't see either how every cent spent on altering a watch is wasted - whether that's worth it or not is so completely personal.

Misunderstanding - the idea of getting a watch (or anything) that is aaaalmost right but not completely is a brilliant way of spending a lot of money on something that doesn't satisfy you. Seen it too many times, done it myself even more. Almostwatches, pure evil! Sooner or later it comes creeping...

That's the thing with the MilFaux project. If you take a 5513 and pimp it with a ten-dollar set of aftermarket sword hands it doesn't become a MilSub. It goes from being a really nice vintage sports watch and a true icon that NO watch enthusiast will frown upon and turns into a watch that is nothing but a rather expensive wannabe. That's a wasted watch. It could be what is is (and that is good!) or something that it isn't (and that I would be rather embarassed to wear - but that could just be me and my pretensions...).

If one has to have the MilSub look - buy a Steinhart or a MkII. Or a 5517, but that might be a bit out of reach (and that's why it's so desired).

Nuff about that, anyway. Agree to disagree, &cet.
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post #12130 of 21258
5/21/12 at 2:09pm
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Misunderstanding - the idea of getting a watch (or anything) that is aaaalmost right but not completely is a brilliant way of spending a lot of money on something that doesn't satisfy you. Seen it too many times, done it myself even more. Almostwatches, pure evil! Sooner or later it comes creeping...

No misunderstanding here - I hear exactly what you're saying and I saw that movie before, but I contend it is a purely personal judgement and preference. You once again state that it is wasting money on something that doesn't satisfy you - well, my own personal experience is the opposite, I'm much more satisfied with my modded PAM 210 than with the original hands (and I even voided the warranty to do this, something that doesn't apply to a vintage watch) - and I have absolutely zero itch to go buy a PAM 21 either. And then, once again, this is not something that's irreversible - we're only talking about swapping hands... I don't know what rohde is talking about with his talk of "gutting" the watch - changing hands is a pretty benign procedure, and the OG hands could be swapped back if the owner feels that it doesn't satisfy him. WIS and collectors (particularly Rolex ones) tend to be all up in arms about mods & original parts but at the end of the day, people should do what makes them happy with their stuff. What makes you cringe in theory made me happy in practice.
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post #12131 of 21258
5/21/12 at 2:56pm
Yeah, I agree to what you say; if someone (as you) has a 210(?) but would love to have gold hands I see no problem to say that it is satisfying yourself (if not really wanting and trying to make a 232/21). If one wants a MilSub, well...a 5513 and a set of aftermarket hands is not going to please you in the long run. For sure.

Or maybe, what do I know - some people wander through life with fakes/replicas (that is on a completely different level - I'm not comparing!) happy, so why couldn't a homegrown MilSub be perfect for someone? What I do know is that it is nothing for me. Not because it isn't correct but because it is something that I couldn't wear (and would be too ashamed of if someone that appreciates or notices a MilSub would ask - although one should not buy or wear watches to please or impress others) with pride. We are split on this subject, but that's just a sign of a healthy discussion. Bottom line; not for me.

On topic; maybe a Tudor "Snowflake" if the mercedes hands are a no-go?
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post #12132 of 21258
5/21/12 at 3:44pm
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By the way, I just noticed the date this thread was started...

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Thanks yall for 5 great years of watch pics and talk
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post #12133 of 21258
5/21/12 at 5:44pm
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By the way, I just noticed the date this thread was started...
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Thanks yall for 5 great years of watch pics and talk

HAPPY BDAY WATCH PRON!!!! we almost share a bday!! yaaay!!
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post #12134 of 21258
5/21/12 at 10:41pm
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post #12135 of 21258
5/22/12 at 1:25am
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Something for the weekend - Pam 21 - subtle design - icon - Rolex 618 movement 
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Quoted by Johann Rupert – Executive Chairman and CEO of Compagnie Financiere Richemont on its earnings report conference call

"But I guess our single most profitable venture is probably Panerai, where we paid less than $1 million and we found 40 pre-war Rolex movements which we cleaned and oiled. We have put into platinum watches and we sold for more than the purchase price. That don’t come that often."
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