Originally Posted by Cylon
For me if youre talking real "HAUTE" stuff its PP and ALS. I dont know if I would include FPJourne. I feel as if that's approaching a slippery slope toward other esoterics like Bethune, Laurent Ferrier, MB&F etc....the list goes on. In all honesty they're all probably esoteric and we are having a pointless discussion.
i know what you mean as far as slippery slope with all the boutique, small house watch makers out there, but i think journe separates himself, what i have seen from him is very classy, very innovative and very "haute horlogerie." i feel he is not the same as the others you mentioned, and handful of other similar very impressive but very, as you said, esoteric brands. again its all a matter of opinion.
I honestly have no idea why I'd put AP and VC a notch below, I just do.
Oh I know: AP Royal Oak and VC Overseas are unforgivably ugly to me.
VC Patrimony and Jules Audemars however....
in that same vein, while i dont particularly hate the RO or overseas, i know what you mean, but i dont feel that case design is the deciding factor of what put a manufacture in the highest echelon of watch making. personally im not a huge fan of the nautilus either, but that doesnt make me think any less of the watch maker that is PP. these designs are a matter of taste, many people love the look of the RO, it has a huge following. to me the deciding factors of what puts a manufacture at the top is movement quality, respectability of house, beauty of finishing, complexity of movement and mastery of grande complications. not case design. but, to each their own.
im just glad to come across other watch enthusiasts.