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I'm very, very conflicted on my next watch purchase. I'm debating between either an IWC Portuguese Perpetual in either rose or white gold, or a Patek 5035 annual calendar in yellow gold or rose gold. They are roughly the same price. The IWC is 42mm and I think is roughly the same as the standard Portuguese, which looks absolutely fantastic on my wrist in terms of size. The Patek is roughly 37mm, and is around the same size as my Rolex Datejust, which is also a very good size. Is SF leaning one way or another on this? I'd probably be happy with either, I just find it very difficult to make a decision, especially as I definitely can't afford both.

If it makes a difference, I'm 27 and I think the IWC is more "youthful," but maybe I'm biased because of its prevalence in the latest "Wall Street" film. My primary mode of dress is also business casual; i.e., sport coats, etc.

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my vote goes for the patek, not just because it's a patek, but because i think it looks better as well.
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Perpetual > Annual Calendar. Also, I love Patek's but they have gotten so unbelievably overpriced...
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I'm very, very conflicted on my next watch purchase. I'm debating between either an IWC Portuguese Perpetual in either rose or white gold, or a Patek 5035 annual calendar in yellow gold or rose gold. They are roughly the same price. The IWC is 42mm and I think is roughly the same as the standard Portuguese, which looks absolutely fantastic on my wrist in terms of size. The Patek is roughly 37mm, and is around the same size as my Rolex Datejust, which is also a very good size. Is SF leaning one way or another on this? I'd probably be happy with either, I just find it very difficult to make a decision, especially as I definitely can't afford both.

If it makes a difference, I'm 27 and I think the IWC is more "youthful," but maybe I'm biased because of its prevalence in the latest "Wall Street" film. My primary mode of dress is also business casual; i.e., sport coats, etc.
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I like them both, but personally I would probably go with the Patek. Are you buying new or pre owned?

-LR
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I like them both, but personally I would probably go with the Patek. Are you buying new or pre owned?

-LR

The Patek has been discontinued for several years, so I'll be looking for like-new examples, but still pre-owned. IWC will probably be NIB or LNIB depending on what comes up on Timezone.

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Perpetual > Annual Calendar. Also, I love Patek's but they have gotten so unbelievably overpriced...

I was expecting the exact opposite from you smile.gif Especially since you've sort of been campaigning against larger timepieces. I do agree on the Patek pricing. I really like some of the latest Calatrava's, but I feel the price is a bit excessive for such a basic complication. Two years ago I was offered an Aquanaut at $12,500 brand new from an authorized dealer. I think the lowest I've seen right now on the exact same model (5167a) is $16-17k.

Ah, decisions, decisions. I only allow myself one watch per year, which is why I always over-think these purchases.
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I was expecting the exact opposite from you smile.gif Especially since you've sort of been campaigning against larger timepieces. I do agree on the Patek pricing. I really like some of the latest Calatrava's, but I feel the price is a bit excessive for such a basic complication. Two years ago I was offered an Aquanaut at $12,500 brand new from an authorized dealer. I think the lowest I've seen right now on the exact same model (5167a) is $16-17k.

Ah, decisions, decisions. I only allow myself one watch per year, which is why I always over-think these purchases.

38-42mm is reasonable for a watch size, depending on several factors such as your wrist size, how complicated the watch is (can't fit 'grand complications' in a 36mm watch), etc... I do think that 42mm for just a perpetual calendar is a bit excessive, especially considering that they could easily make a 38,39, or even 40mm perp cal that would look just as good but be a more 'timeless' size.

Honestly, the lower end of Patek prices is just as crazy as the upper end. 25K for a SS Nautilus is simply insane. There is nothing, nothing about that watch that warrants the price, and I'm a big fan of Genta's (RIP) early creations, from the Naut to the RO to the Mickey Mouse retrogrades.

On a side note: while the Swiss are pushing prices higher and higher and overcharging left and right, the Chinese have started to make mechanical watches with perpetual calendars, column-wheel chronographs and yes, even tourbillons. I'm not saying that the current Chinese watches compare to anything that Patek or IWC offer in terms of quality and finishing (obviously), but given time, if the Chinese can get up to say Omega quality, they can, given great marketing campaigns give the Swiss (like Rado, Movado, and even the middle tier) some serious competition.
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patek. size alone on the IWC is a disqualifier.
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38-42mm is reasonable for a watch size, depending on several factors such as your wrist size, how complicated the watch is (can't fit 'grand complications' in a 36mm watch), etc... I do think that 42mm for just a perpetual calendar is a bit excessive, especially considering that they could easily make a 38,39, or even 40mm perp cal that would look just as good but be a more 'timeless' size.

Honestly, the lower end of Patek prices is just as crazy as the upper end. 25K for a SS Nautilus is simply insane. There is nothing, nothing about that watch that warrants the price, and I'm a big fan of Genta's (RIP) early creations, from the Naut to the RO to the Mickey Mouse retrogrades.

On a side note: while the Swiss are pushing prices higher and higher and overcharging left and right, the Chinese have started to make mechanical watches with perpetual calendars, column-wheel chronographs and yes, even tourbillons. I'm not saying that the current Chinese watches compare to anything that Patek or IWC offer in terms of quality and finishing (obviously), but given time, if the Chinese can get up to say Omega quality, they can, given great marketing campaigns give the Swiss (like Rado, Movado, and even the middle tier) some serious competition.

I do agree with this. IWC does have a few smaller perpetuals. My Da Vinci 3750 is 39mm, although I find the styling a bit off now. Part of the problem with the Portuguese is that it's built on their 7-day movement, which itself is almost 39mm (although the 7 day power reserve is also another plus for me). I am kind of annoyed that the latest Portuguese Perpetual iteration is even larger at 44mm.

I'm not really sure how I feel about the Chinese movements. I've seen a Chinese tourb, and it's definitely interesting from a value standpoint, but I'm also interested in the histories behind different manufacturers, so I'm not sure I'd ever be compelled to pull the trigger on one.

Just so I'm not taking this thread too off-topic, here's a shot of my first watch (RIP).

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I do agree with this. IWC does have a few smaller perpetuals. My Da Vinci 3750 is 39mm, although I find the styling a bit off now. Part of the problem with the Portuguese is that it's built on their 7-day movement, which itself is almost 39mm (although the 7 day power reserve is also another plus for me). I am kind of annoyed that the latest Portuguese Perpetual iteration is even larger at 44mm.

I'm not really sure how I feel about the Chinese movements. I've seen a Chinese tourb, and it's definitely interesting from a value standpoint, but I'm also interested in the histories behind different manufacturers, so I'm not sure I'd ever be compelled to pull the trigger on one.

Just so I'm not taking this thread too off-topic, here's a shot of my first watch (RIP).

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I really like the Rolex pictured icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif (I guess that's a good thing about time, one clarifies, restates or some times even does an about-face regarding one's position.... I am far more pro-Rolex than I used to be)

The Chinese tourbs are great considering the price.... also considering that a tourb on a wristwatch is utterly pointless (even if you have the JLC gyro-tourb)... Watch history only really applies to vintage pieces... since most of the watch houses have been bought out, re-imaged, brought back from the annals of history (BP, Lange, etc...) the whole 'history' selling point of new watches is often a stretch of the imagination coupled with good, if not great marketing + a mostly clueless public who does not know enough to see past the marketing.

As per IWC, the prob is that the Da Vinci is such a, polarizing design that it is very love-it or hate-it and the Portuguese is a far more 'approachable' design. Also, it's IMHO really short sighted of IWC to make a movement that's 39mm. If the trend moves away from massive watches, they aren't going top be able to find a lot of uses for such a large movement.
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i received my GS 6146-8000. here is a pic with it on. I did not buy one that was polished, the crystal is scratched, but i think it adds a nice vintage look to it. it is 43 years old after all icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gifbiggrin.gif
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very nice GS^

my latest:

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Edited by robinsongreen68 - 9/22/11 at 5:45am
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hasn't come in yet but i recently purchased a 39mm version of this...

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my latest:
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Great watch - how do you like the alarm? Amazing how wrist close-ups make watches look much bigger than they actually wear, isn't it.
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thank you, i confess i've not yet used the alarm, and possibly never will- still nice to know its there i guess.
funny about the size, it does look really big on me in the pic, and does seem to wear larger than my speedmaster, although it's only 40.5mm.
Edited by robinsongreen68 - 9/22/11 at 11:44am
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