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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, JLC etc...) - Page 3158post #47356 of 4831211/30/15 at 12:22pmpost #47357 of 4831211/30/15 at 1:15pm+1
And I mean no offense whatsover to the OP, so please don't take this wrong, but I think the ceramic Sub looks especially great on smaller to average sized wrists.
You may not need another watch for the rest of your life.
(Notice I said "need", not "want" )post #47358 of 4831211/30/15 at 1:42pmpost #47359 of 4831211/30/15 at 1:43pmpost #47360 of 4831211/30/15 at 4:14pmQuote:
If I was forced to choose a 'one watch', the no date Sub would be it without hesitation.post #47361 of 4831211/30/15 at 4:34pmQuote:Originally Posted by Dino944
I don't wind the watches that I'm not wearing, on a daily basis. Some people say its good to do it at least every few weeks if you aren't wearing it often to keep the oils moving and to reduce the chance of it congealing over time. If you are wearing your Reverso on a daily basis you should try to wind it the same time every day.
Dress watches on a strap can be a bit tricky to keep cleaning. At the end of the day a nice microfiber cloth is fine for removing finger prints. Over time the back my need something a bit more to remove oils and sweat from your wrist that might dry on the case back. Someone from VC once recommended a soft cotton swab and some rubbing alcohol. I've done it a few times, without any ill effects.
The Explorer II 16550 was a transitional model, that was only made for about 3 years or so from around 1984/5-1988. The 16570 was in production for roughly 20+ years or so, and many more were produced. The 16550 was the first time the Ex2 was available with a white dial, which frequently overtime turned a shade of cream color (due to a sort of defect of the dial...the 16570s don't change color). At a quick glance the 16550 and 16570 look the very similar but there are differences such as the font on the bezel, the white dial used white gold for the hands and around the hour markers, while the hands and hour marker surrounds are black on the 16570. Its tougher to tell visually the black dial 16550 from the black dial 16570 as the main visual difference is the font on the bezel.
While I like the font of the bezel a bit more on the 16550, to me its not worth the additional money to get a black one, and I've always found the white/cream color dial with white gold markers of the 16550 a very unattractive combination, so again I wouldn't purchase that model. I'd much rather have a 16570 (in either color ...I own the black) or if a person has deep pockets and wants a vintage Explorer a 1655. The 1655 is a cool watch from a collectors standpoint, its hands and dial are unique to that model, and there aren't that many around as it was less useful and less popular than GMTs of the same vintage when new, because it could only be used to track military time and not a second time zone.
@Dino944 Thanks for the great reply!
I personally feel as though it would be worse to wind the watch daily if you weren't wearing it, so I agree. I think at some point one would want to wind it here and there. Anyway, the point was that I'm still babying the Reverso and don't want to wear it to work every day. It's hard to do that though because I want to wear it all the time.
Microfiber cloths are on the way. I've been using my sunglasses' cleaning cloths which I prevoiusly hadn't needed to use at all.
I actually like both the 16550 and the 16570 as I like both the "custard" patina of the 16550 and the "polar" look of the 16570. I prefer the font of the 16570 myself as I prefer the "1" they use. I'm not fussed by the hour markers, though googling for pictures you do see 16550s with black hour markers. I find both to be fantastic looking pieces and that's from someone who isn't much into Rolex at all. While I like both though, at present I find myself drawn to a polar 16570.Quote:Originally Posted by TheWraith
This might be an option for watch cleaning - www.hirschstraps.com/collections/tools/products/heli-professional-watch-strap-bracelet-cleaning-kit
Looks like something I have for my eyeglasses. Thanks for the tip.Quote:Originally Posted by Andy57
@Dino944 gave you the definitive answer regard the 16550, except that the defect in the dial where the white dial turns a color from cream to a custard yellow is (I think) exactly why they command the premium that they do. I assume Rolex introduced the 16570 as a "fixed" 16550. Collectors being what they are, the defective watch is the desirable watch. I like the color that dial can fade to and I'd like to pick one up at some point. It's certainly different in the Rolex canon.
I too like the color. A very "Spring" look to it and I'm a big fan of the color yellow so long as the shade is right.Quote:Originally Posted by Dino944
Yes, beyond the short production run, I wasn't clear enough, but yes the "defective" white dial turning yellow is a large part of the reason for the price difference. Rolex collectors seem to go crazy and pay premiums for defective dials that change color be it a Patrizzi Steel Daytona (the off white colored subdials turned brown), or old Explorer and Sub dials that turned from black to brown.
I don't think the black dial 16550 commands the same price difference that the cream/yellow dials do, largely because most people can't easily tell that the black dial is a 16550 rather than a 16570. I don't like the combination of the white gold markers on the yellow colored dial, so for me the premium would be a complete waste. I'd rather have a 16570 and put the price difference into another watch, but to each his own. Clearly there are enough who like the yellow it to support their current prices.
Yes, in the black dial I'd be much less inclined to go the 16550 route. I of course like the black dial as well despite my preference for the polar dial.post #47362 of 4831211/30/15 at 4:35pmpost #47363 of 4831211/30/15 at 4:41pm
Two quick questions:
1) Looking at a watch and the seller doesn't wasn't to get beat up on the trade-in price. I of course would like to move the price a bit. What sort of hit would a seller take with trade-in? Obviously this would depend on the make and model, but in general what would they be hit with?
2) Anyone have access to the % watch rating system? I think it's from TimeZone, but I can't access and can't find it online. Every link doesn't work for me. Was wondering if someone could cut and paste it or something.post #47364 of 4831211/30/15 at 6:02pmpost #47365 of 4831211/30/15 at 6:56pmpost #47366 of 4831212/1/15 at 6:20amGrading system
Please keep in mind that to be listed on a TimeZone sales board, a watch must be pre-owned and have been worn. Pre-owned means sold to a retail customer and no open papers.
A pre-owned watch that has been worn, yet is in perfect condition. Accompanied by the factory box(es), tags and documentation. No alterations from factory-delivered condition. The warranty papers must be stamped to establish the authenticity and validity of the watch - TimeZone does not allow sales of watches with "open papers." No bracelet resizing or marks of any kind. 100%
A pre-owned watch that is in very nearly perfect condition. Signs of wear are visible with a low powered loupe. May be a watch that is in LNIB condition but not accompanied by the factory box(es) or documentation. May refer to an older watch that has been restored, so long as the restoration returned the watch to very nearly perfect factory original condition. Working perfectly, keeping excellent time, needs nothing. 98-100%
Showing very light signs of wear. Faint scratches on the case, bezel, bracelet or buckle are visible to the naked eye. Completely original in every way. Strap shows light use - may be bent or lightly creased, but not stained. Bracelet may be resized. The watch is working perfectly, keeping very good time and needs nothing. 93-97%
Evidence of use is visible to the unaided eye. Scratches are light, but more numerous than "near mint". If the watch has been restored, all original replacement parts have been used. Strap clearly used but no stains. No dents or dings are detectable, and the bracelet has little wear. Working perfectly, needs no repair or service. 88-92%
The watch shows what might be considered normal wear by a careful owner who wore the watch regularly. Scratches are evident, but no nicks or dings. May have replacement parts and/or a high quality redial. Running and keeping good time, though may need minor regulation. A sound, attractive presentation overall. 83-87%
Nothing fundamentally wrong with the watch, though it has quite obviously been used. Running and wearable, but may gain or lose a few minutes over 24 hours. Case may show a few dings, nicks, or deep scratches. May have a redial that is not up to high standards. May not have all original parts. 77-82%
Well used, may require service and/or restoration to be useable. May be running erratically. Dial, case, and other major components may not be original, but no pieces are missing. Even an untrained eye could tell the watch is worse for wear. Some might call it rough. 72-76%
Shows abuse, requires service and/or restoration. May have major cosmetic flaws, missing parts, may not run at all. A speculative piece - 'fixer-upper' would be too generous. Not junk, but requires lots of work to be made wearable. 66-71%
Scrap / Parts
A collection of parts that at one time may have been a functioning timekeeper. Now missing parts, may be rusted or corroded, not worth restoring. Most people would call it junk. 64% or worse.
(REPOST)post #47367 of 4831212/1/15 at 6:52ampost #47368 of 4831212/1/15 at 7:01ampost #47369 of 4831212/1/15 at 7:04amQuote:
I have a SMP300 (similar to the one posted but older - 2541.80) and the bracelet is the most confortable piece of metal, ever. I wasn't fond of the bracelet's look before I purchased mine but have since changed my mind. I can't think of a strap (be it leather, rubber or fabric) that would suit the SMP more than the OEM bracelet!post #47370 of 4831212/1/15 at 7:06amQuote:
True. I don't know what is the scientific reasoning behind this, but it seems like a natural gradient, a subtle progression. Guy gets an older Seamaster, then his attention is immediately drawn to the Speedmaster Moonwatch!
I know this is what's happening to me, at least!
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