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Originally Posted by IGotId View Post

I'm seriously considering a 42mm Radiomir & have been interested in the 512 since it was introduced several yrs ago. However Panerai has just announced the 620 which is an automatic (vs the 512 being a hand-wind). The 620 has the '9', the 512 doesn't, the 620 also has 'AUTOMATIC' written on the dial. Which do you prefer?

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I prefer the manual wind 512
post #46712 of 48312
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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

Maybe so, but they tend to work rather well with vintage watches when the original steel band is a bit played out and since this is the only watch I wear one with it works real well for me.


^ that's it right there. Perfect.
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Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post

Depending on condition and so on, you quite regularly see second-hand "no date" Submariners for around US$5000 on Chrono24 and other such places. Some are a few hundred less, some are a couple of hundred over. That's more than $2500 less than the new Seamaster 300, so a substantial saving, and you get a genuinely aged, classic watch instead of a new watch that's imitating a genuinely aged classic!

IDK - the idea of paying $5000 for an unserviceable* Sub, and have you ever handled a vintage Explorer bracelet? The vast majority of them are all stretched to heck...

*: because if you send it in Rolex will gut it and replace everything that makes it special...
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

IDK - the idea of paying $5000 for an unserviceable* Sub, and have you ever handled a vintage Explorer bracelet? The vast majority of them are all stretched to heck...

*: because if you send it in Rolex will gut it and replace everything that makes it special...

That seems rather pessimistic.

At least where I live, the Rolex service centre is quite good about preserving a watch's originiality and informing the owners about what they have. There are a lot of old divers' watches around here from the development of the North Sea oil reserves, and the shop gets things like double red Sea-Dwellers or Comex Submariners from time to time, more often than not still worn by the original owner. A ref. 6538 Submariner (the big crown one) was recently in the shop, and although the dial and hands had some corrosion, they discussed it with the owner and he took their recommendation to service the movement, but leave the other parts alone.

There are also plenty of Oyster bracelets out there that been looked after and aren't shagged out. The first Rolex I bought was a 1997 GMT II, and the bracelet was still in excellent condition without any noticeable wear or elongation.

Granted, there are some indifferent service centres and some worn-out watches, but I wouldn't let that put me off finding a good one.
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

That seems rather pessimistic.

I think it might be because of where you live.

Where I live/lived - the Rolex centres are indifferent (Australia), or worse, take the attitude that "we know better" (Singapore).
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post


I think it might be because of where you live.

Where I live/lived - the Rolex centres are indifferent (Australia), or worse, take the attitude that "we know better" (Singapore).

There do seem to be differences in service experiences depending on where you live.  In Europe it seems easier to get extra dials, bezels, or to have dials switched on new models.  In the US, Rolex will not sell you extra dials, bezels, etc, they require the parts be traded in (as to some other service centers), and they discourage dial swaps.   I understand that is less of an issue in other places.  I have also heard of them telling people to replace their vintage RED Sub dials for modern service dials with functioning lum, which essentially puts $$$ in the service center's pocket, but kills the value of the vintage watch.  So I agree experiences can be different in different regions. 

 

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


That seems rather pessimistic.

At least where I live, the Rolex service centre is quite good about preserving a watch's originiality and informing the owners about what they have. There are a lot of old divers' watches around here from the development of the North Sea oil reserves, and the shop gets things like double red Sea-Dwellers or Comex Submariners from time to time, more often than not still worn by the original owner. A ref. 6538 Submariner (the big crown one) was recently in the shop, and although the dial and hands had some corrosion, they discussed it with the owner and he took their recommendation to service the movement, but leave the other parts alone.

There are also plenty of Oyster bracelets out there that been looked after and aren't shagged out. The first Rolex I bought was a 1997 GMT II, and the bracelet was still in excellent condition without any noticeable wear or elongation.

Granted, there are some indifferent service centres and some worn-out watches, but I wouldn't let that put me off finding a good one.

There are definitely differences in service centers and how good they are in dealing with collectors vs average people who just want their watches serviced & who have little regard to originality.  However, I agree, if someone truly loves a vintage pieces, they should not let a few mediocre service centers discourage them from owning the watch of their dreams.

 

I also agree that Rolex Oyster bracelets, once you get past the old rivet models, are quite durable.  I've seen some that were on daily wearers which are 30 + years old and are in great shape with little to no "Stretch."  Some does depend on the wearer and the conditions the watches were subjected to.  People who wear their watch bracelets too large and who rarely clean the bracelets (letting dirt and grime wear away at the pins, screws, links and pivoting parts, also making the holes for pins/screws larger ) are more likely to have bracelets with "Stretch," but that applies to all brands.  

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Hi Guys,

 

Just got back from a trip to Germany and Austria.  It wasn't a watch related vacation, but I did see a few interesting pieces while I was there.  I also got to try on an original Nautilus 3700/A1, from the pre-in house movement Nautilus days.  Cool watch, even had the original box, but it didn't have papers and it was $$$$ .  Still cool to see one in the metal.

 

Below are pix from a display case in our hotel.  The upper left is a Speedy but I couldn't get a decent shot of it.  Below it a Chronoswiss, then a vintage Explorer and a cool IWC pocket watch.  

 

 

Then a small shop in Salzburg had a lovely vintage manual wind gold Daytona (small watch geek fact, the manual wind Daytonas were the only Rolex watches where the gold ones were certified chronometers and the steel ones were not),  and a Red Sub.  

 

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Originally Posted by BLAUGRANA View Post
 

I thought it was trying to capture the essence of a scruffy old Seamaster.  :D  Either way, where are you finding scruffy old Subs for less money much less a lot less money?  I've seen two Seamasters in the last month that were less than practically every scruffy old Sub I've ever seen.  In fact the latter is usually 50% more minimum.  I'm genuinely curious btw in case it reads otherwise.

 

If it were, I think it would be better off blue.  And not copying the infamous black/grey NATO from the "Bond" Sub.  But yeah, scruffy Subs are $4-5k, versus this limited edition that is considerably more.  And of course, the former will be worth the same in one year or ten, if you change your mind.  Sure, scruffy versus new is a personal decision, but one could always stick the old Sub on a $20 nylon NATO as well...see above!

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

There are definitely differences in service centers and how good they are in dealing with collectors vs average people who just want their watches serviced & who have little regard to originality.  However, I agree, if someone truly loves a vintage pieces, they should not let a few mediocre service centers discourage them from owning the watch of their dreams.

I also agree that Rolex Oyster bracelets, once you get past the old rivet models, are quite durable.  I've seen some that were on daily wearers which are 30 + years old and are in great shape with little to no "Stretch."  Some does depend on the wearer and the conditions the watches were subjected to.  People who wear their watch bracelets too large and who rarely clean the bracelets (letting dirt and grime wear away at the pins, screws, links and pivoting parts, also making the holes for pins/screws larger ) are more likely to have bracelets with "Stretch," but that applies to all brands.  

Indeed, not wearing it loose and keeping it clean are essential with any bracelet.

And that goes double for bi-metal:


source: Watchmaking Blog — Tribology
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


Indeed, not wearing it loose and keeping it clean are essential with any bracelet.

And that goes double for bi-metal:
  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

source: Watchmaking Blog — Tribology

 

Ouch!

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Originally Posted by BLAUGRANA View Post

Thoughts on this watch?

http://www.hodinkee.com/articles/jaeger-lecoultre-geophysic-1958

Came across it last night. I like the classic/retro look to it, but it's pricey for me. There are probably simliar looking watches that are quite a bit cheaper, but I really like this one. Love the lume plots.
I wanted to love it badly, tried it on next to the MUT moon (both steel), and slept on it. The MUT sang enough to me that I bought it instead, and the Geophysic was snapped up instantly by someone else. It's an attractive watch--but it's not a 'complete' watch, IMO. This April:

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Edited by PartagasIV - 10/12/15 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by BLAUGRANA View Post

Had a look at some watches in the flesh yesterday in Chicago.  Hit Tourneau first and went to see what they had for Nomos.  I'm more of a tool watch guy, but Nomos' designs have generally really spoken to me.  In the flesh though I wasn't as impressed.  The size didn't look as big as I thought it would in person.  The Tangente Doctors Without Borders looked a bit small.  The Ahoi Atlantik looked a bit better since it's slightly bigger, however the fabric strap did nothing for me.  In fact if I get a Nomos I'll be using a third party strap.  What really took me though was the Zurich Weltzeit.  The finish to it just looked higher end than on the the two and it looked really nice.  It almost didn't look like a Nomos.  Very nice looking watch. Unfortunately they didn't have a Metro in stock as I wanted to see that in the flesh as well.

I then hit the Omega boutique.  I have particularly been looking at a Seamaster 300, Seamaster 300 Spectre edition and the Speedmaster '57:

http://www.omegawatches.com/watches/seamaster/seamaster-300/master-co-axial-41-mm/23332412101002

http://www.omegawatches.com/watches/seamaster/seamaster-300/master-co-axial-41-mm/23332412101001

http://www.omegawatches.com/watches/speedmaster/speedmaster-57/omega-co-axial-chronograph-415-mm/33112425101002
I was very impressed seeing them in person.  I didn't actually handle any of them as we were in a rush to get out of town and beat the traffic, but they all looked great in person.  The Seamaster Spectre edition in particular on that Nato strap really looked quite amazing.  I'm not that into all things Bond, though it has to be said that apart from the watches there have been some nice pieces that have come out of recent films, but this one is a winner.  I could care less that's a Bond watch in fact, but they hit all the right notes.  I think it was the Nato strap more than anything else oddly enough, but I didn't even miss the "12" on the face (I like that it's "0" on the bezel actually).  I also liked the size of the watch.  Again, no wrist time, but it looks like it wears slightly bigger.  I actually handled a Submariner a couple of weeks earlier and for me there is no comparison.  The design of this particular Seamaster wins it for me.  That's not to bash Rolex at all, but the look of the Seamaster 300 for me is just a better looking watch.  
Just interesting to me the size of all the watches compared to what I have been wearing.  I've been rotating between different colored bezel Victorinox Swiss Army Mavericks (poor man's watch I know) which I always thought were 42mm but I've now come to find out were 44mm.  So for me 38mm feels a bit small and 41mm is just fine.  I guess I'll have to get used to smaller watches if I'm going to work on my list of watches.  The good thing is it's given me pause to think about what I really want to get and my list is being shortened for now.  Also, it makes such a different seeing a watch in the flesh.  Very different than the pictures online.  


QFT....and I enjoyed reading your thoughts.

I haven't tried on the Spectre edition, or even seen one in the case yet, but the regular version didn't really grab me personally.


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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Indeed.  And in the real world, I'd still rather have a scruffy old Sub than a new Omega that is trying to capture the essence of a scruffy old Sub - for a lot less money.  But I like the way they look nevertheless.


Don't do it.  Read all seventeen million pages of this thread and/or the Poor Man's Watch Thread, and you will find myriad wonders below 300 Euros.  Or just explain some preferences and use, and the TWATterati will suggest many beautiful things.  My first thoughts are Tissot Le Locle and Junghans Max Bill.  There will be others. smile.gif

Listen to mimo.

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Originally Posted by Kaplan View Post

I believe that was a Watchco 'NOS' Seamaster 300? And I agree, it looked great.
Definitely the 620, as I don't like the sub second placement on the 512 - too far from the dial edge. And not because it might signal a small movement in a larger case, but because I think it balances poorly with the '3' on the other side of the dial. And while this is probably heresy, I much prefer automatic watches (never really warmed to winding my 177), so I'd be willing to live with the 'Automatic' on the dial.

My vote on this would be the 512, FWIW.

But I could see arguing this either way, so the OP will have to decide which one really smiles back, and go with it.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Hi Guys,

Just got back from a trip to Germany and Austria.  It wasn't a watch related vacation, but I did see a few interesting pieces while I was there.  I also got to try on an original Nautilus 3700/A1, from the pre-in house movement Nautilus days.  Cool watch, even had the original box, but it didn't have papers and it was $$$$ .  Still cool to see one in the metal.

Below are pix from a display case in our hotel.  The upper left is a Speedy but I couldn't get a decent shot of it.  Below it a Chronoswiss, then a vintage Explorer and a cool IWC pocket watch.  
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



Then a small shop in Salzburg had a lovely vintage manual wind gold Daytona (small watch geek fact, the manual wind Daytonas were the only Rolex watches where the gold ones were certified chronometers and the steel ones were not),  and a Red Sub.  



We'll be expecting some food pics biggrin.gif
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Sometimes less is more.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Hi Guys,

Just got back from a trip to Germany and Austria.  It wasn't a watch related vacation, but I did see a few interesting pieces while I was there.  

It wasn't a car related vacation was it?
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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

It wasn't a car related vacation was it?
BTW, if you happen to fly Lufthansa business/first into Frankfurt and have a 4-6 hour layover (I just did) there's a special deal you can do with the airport Avis. 99 Euro gets 3 hours in a Porsche; I got a brand new 911 4S cabrio with PDK & Sport Chrono. Highly worth doing.
Edited by PartagasIV - 10/12/15 at 1:49pm
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