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Originally Posted by Stiva View Post

Bureaucrat font.

 

Ah, the font. 

post #46442 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post


At the risk of sounding dim, what's "Arial" and why shouldn't it be used?

Incompetent, lazy design is rampant the watch industry, and I think it's going to negatively influence the collectibility of a lot of current watches. Arial is particularly bad in this aspect, as it's the exact typographic equivalent of a fake watch due to its origins.

My more detailed previous thoughts on the matter:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/36253/the-watch-appreciation-thread/31800_100#post_7138507
http://www.styleforum.net/t/36253/the-watch-appreciation-thread/33700_100#post_7257981

I only say this stuff because I actually do like watches, and it wouldn't be a difficult problem to fix if the companies started to recognize it. smile.gif
post #46443 of 48312
I like the general design of it, now that you pointed out the date window, it looks worse in the steel version than in gold.

Lots of text on the dial can f**k up a lot of nice watches, that's why I have to see that in person. All the watch pictures are always blown up macro shots and eg text and date windows look much more prominent than in the real world, where the general form and feel is the most important thing.

Nice to see @Belligero still on form, though!
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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

I agree about the text on the standard watch, why it could not have been positioned on the back of the watch I do not know. The world timer does not interest me as I find all such watches cheap looking whether they are by a great name or small. On the other hand I do not know what you find so bad about the date window?

The date display just looks lame; they could have made something that had a touch of charm to it but instead it's a dreary, lifeless affair. It's generic — there's no beauty to it.

Look at what Lange does with theirs:


photo nicked from timeandwatches.com, though I doubt it's their original image

It's gloriously drawn and distinctively Lange. It helps give the watch its considerable warmth and character, and is most definitely not the same typeface that's on your parking ticket.

(Coincidentally, JLC is the company that developed Lange's big-date system, but they cheap out and use mundane Times New Roman for its implementations on their own watches, which is one reason I never warmed up to my Reverso GMT.)

Similarly, Rolex is another watchmaker that doesn't use the default Windows setting, and their signature date wheels are exemplary:


image credit: Solomotos on Relojes-Especiales.com


image credit: *Philip* on VRF

Thoughtful elements like that are what can elevate a great watch from being another meaningless consumer item to something special — and at this price level, it's all about having something special on the wrist.

I'm not saying that JLC has to copy what others are doing, but it would be nice if they put some thought into it and came up with something of their own that has a bit of style.

I know this boring typographical stuff doesn't matter to most people, but to me, a ~$10K watch should be produced to a higher standard than "whatever, man". Collectors are among the ones that certainly do notice these details; look at the changes in valuation that tiny differences such as "fat font" bezel inserts, open vs. closed 6s/9s, or "Submariner" being printed in white vs. red can make.

Given that it doesn't even cost much to do it with skill and beauty, the only reason I can see for some manufacturers to neglect such a fundamental part of watch design is ignorance — unless they really are that stingy. :P
Edited by Belligero - 9/30/15 at 5:44am
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I see your point regarding the typeface within the window. I misunderstood and thought it was the window itself you had a problem with which to me looks OK though with my eyesight date windows are generally useless.
post #46446 of 48312
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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

I see your point regarding the typeface within the window. I misunderstood and thought it was the window itself you had a problem with which to me looks OK though with my eyesight date windows are generally useless.

Indeed, though the window itself is merely uninspired and perhaps slightly awkward, it's not glaringly misplaced — and it could certainly be worse:


image credit: wthejournal.com

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post #46447 of 48312
Always interesting to hear your take on fonts and design elements, Belli.

And while I really like the new RO Jumbo - and I think it does a lot of things right - it's one of the reasons I prefer the original:



That 7 satisfied.gif

(And I'm probably in the minority, but I also much prefer the white date wheel.)

Do you know which font(s?) are used on the Mk XV?

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post #46448 of 48312
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Always interesting to hear your take on fonts and design elements, Belli.

And while I really like the new RO Jumbo - and I think it does a lot of things right - it's one of the reasons I prefer the original:

That 7 satisfied.gif

(And I'm probably in the minority, but I also much prefer the white date wheel.)

Do you know which font(s?) are used on the Mk XV?

Warning: Big pic (Click to show)

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Every detail counts on a watch, and you can tell that AP had someone skilled involved with the date wheel. It's completely in keeping with the character of the design, distinctive, and subtly stands out. I like the white date wheel, too; those groovy bespoke numbers are good-looking enough to warrant a bit of highlighting. Great example!

For the Mark XV, the lettering and numbering appear to be one of the bolder weights of Helvetica (the "R" is a giveaway), the date wheel is whatever ETA supplied (looks like a lighter Helvetica weight), whereas IWC's logo and signature are likely customized or — less likely — a fully bespoke commission.

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@Belligero damn, I thought it was particularly fun (in a good way, as in impressive and interesting) to read your detailed answer to the font comment. To be really honest about it, I never really gave a second thought about the matter, but then again, I never bought a watch that cost more than 1200$ either. When you commit to spend above 5000$ on a timepiece, I guess these are the little details that matter and can either inspire your purchase or completely ruin the appeal for a certain model/line-up!

 

From now on, I will try to commit to notice such minute details when I try to understand how I feel and why about certain timepieces! 

 

:lurk:

 

(the amount of knowledge and nerd-ery in this thread is awesome, by the way!)

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I love it when @Belligero goes napalm on a badly chosen watch font.

 

"not the same typeface that's on your parking ticket" - :lol:

 

I'm wearing my Rolex 'old timer' today with dat beautiful 70s date wheel font.

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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post


Yeah, the Overseas is stealth-like in comparison to the Royal Oak, which is by far the most identifiable of the Big Three sport watches. That sucker can be spotted from across the street on a moonlit night. The Nautilus can be spied from across a dimly lit restaurant dining room. Whereas the Overseas would need a formal introduction to those seated across the table.

And of course Rolex is identifiable from space.

Entertaining analogy, but easy to explain.  The RO has been around since 1972, and although it took a few years to catch on in popularity, by the 1980's it was already a strong seller for AP, and it eventually had a successful spin off the RO.  The Nautilus, although its been around since around 1976/1977, was the "Ugly duckling" in the Patek family, often maligned by Patek collectors as an unattractive, entry level Patek.  However, about 12-15 years ago with rumors that Patek wasn't going to produce steel watches and the demise of old Nautilus line along with the 3712 after just a year of production, resulted in speculators going crazy, and interest in and values of these once largely ignored models skyrocketed.  So they experienced the transformation to desirable "Beautiful Swan" after more than 20 years of production. 

 

The VC sport watches are the least well known, because VC just couldn't get their act together when it came to sports watches.  They changed direction drastically every 5 -10 years.  Here is a list of sports watches offered during roughly the same production period as the Nautilus - the 222 , the Chronometer Royal,  the 333, the Phidias, the 1st gen Overseas, and the current Overseas.

 

Just a few pix to show what VC offered from the late 70's to present for sport watches.

The 222

 

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The Chronometer Royal, a bizarre very Nautilus looking design

 

VCROYALCHR-01.jpg

 

The 333

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The Phidias

vacheron_constantin_phidias_18k_gold_two_tone_automatic_mens_watch_1_lgw.jpg

then thankfully the first Gen Overseas

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Originally Posted by IGotId View Post

 

 The thing that has held me back is what I've read about servicing VCs.

 

 

I don't think many of my friends would be able to identify it as a VC either!

 

 

It will be interesting to see if their is a redesign...

Just curious what you heard about VC servicing?  I don't think I've heard anything drastically different than say service on Patek or AP.  Its more costly than servicing a Rolex, Cartier, or Omega, but the Big Three's points are generally higher for watches and I would expect the same of their service costs.

 

Are many of your friends watch people?  If not they probably wouldn't easily identify much other than a Rolex.  However, if you look above, one of the main reasons Overeas may be less recognized, possibly even by watch collectors is they do not have a history of sport models evolving or existing for long periods.  VC has generally scrapped their sport designs and come up with something different every 5 -10 years.

 

If you love the current blue Overseas, and prefer buying new, then purchase now while its readily available.  If you like it, but you are not sure about it, you can always wait and see if a new model is released for 2016.  If you don't like the new model, you can search for a preowned or NOS version of the blue dial Overseas.  Good luck with whatever you decide  :cheers:

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I'm pretty much ambivalent these days about the Rolex cyclops, but I do love me some open 6's and 9's.

Sexay!
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Originally Posted by Keith T View Post

I'm pretty much ambivalent these days about the Rolex cyclops, but I do love me some open 6's and 9's.

Sexay!

Did you notice though that the Rolex date wheel in @Belligero's post above has open 6s and 9s except for the 26.

Sloppy.
post #46454 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post


Yeah, the Overseas is stealth-like in comparison to the Royal Oak, which is by far the most identifiable of the Big Three sport watches. That sucker can be spotted from across the street on a moonlit night. The Nautilus can be spied from across a dimly lit restaurant dining room. Whereas the Overseas would need a formal introduction to those seated across the table.

And of course Rolex is identifiable from space.


When I was in Denmark last year, I remember being in the lobby of the hotel starting to walk to the bar (with a waiting area between, so I was not very close at first) and I noticed the light coming in to the bar reflect off of a watch. The gentleman wearing it reached for his drink, and it became quite obvious it was a 15400. They are a beautiful watch for sure, but they call a lot of attention to themselves. Obviously what calls attention to it is also what makes it beautiful, not trying to say anything negative, just commenting on how easy they are to spot. His friend, who he was obscuring, was wearing a Rolex Smurf. I was bottom feeding with a Speedy.

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Did you notice though that the Rolex date wheel in @Belligero's post above has open 6s and 9s except for the 26.

Sloppy.

You're right!

WTF, CROWN?!
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