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Originally Posted by no frills View Post
 

 

Thanks, Frillmeister.  One more thing: I actually forgot the most obvious part of this - the gong hammers for the repeater are displayed through the dial below the numbers.  Doh.  Black-polished, of course.

 

I had to read up on it later, but it has an interesting power system: moving the three time discs takes a lot of energy, and some of that is re-captured into a separate reserve to power the chimes; the energy from "braking" the discs when they've moved gradually draws back the hammer for the hour/quarter hour strikes.  Therefore, winding the watch does not give the chimes power - it's the physical advancement under power of the time discs that does so.  The extra pusher is to disengage the system if you don't want your watch chiming every fifteen minutes.

 

This is top level nerd shit.  I am really finding it very pleasing.

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

 

Thanks, Frillmeister.  One more thing: I actually forgot the most obvious part of this - the gong hammers for the repeater are displayed through the dial below the numbers.  Doh.  Black-polished, of course.

 

I had to read up on it later, but it has an interesting power system: moving the three time discs takes a lot of energy, and some of that is re-captured into a separate reserve to power the chimes; the energy from "braking" the discs when they've moved gradually draws back the hammer for the hour/quarter hour strikes.  Therefore, winding the watch does not give the chimes power - it's the physical advancement under power of the time discs that does so.  The extra pusher is to disengage the system if you don't want your watch chiming every fifteen minutes.

 

This is top level nerd shit.  I am really finding it very pleasing.

 

Yep. Hence the moniker "Striking Time."

 

A friend has this one, and a couple of others have the "regular" Zeitwerk.  They really quite like it.  For them it's a blend of whimsical "digital clock" looking numbers and mechanical wizardry.

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I am weighing up my next purchase, which will be:

(i) A holiday watch, for swimming, so either on a bracelet or rubber strap
(ii) With a GMT complication
(iii) Not too large - 40/42mm ideally although could push to 44mm if it doesn't wear too large
(iv) Ideally with a date, although not a deal breaker.

The front runner at the moment is the Rolex Explorer II with a white face. I also looked at (and tried on) the GMT Master ii (tried both black and blue/black) but not overly keen on the bezel or the shiny links. Prefer the Explorer brushed bracelet.

Downside of Explorer - not too keen on the Cyclops date.

Other option considered is the Patek Aquanaut Travel Time. Downside is obviously the cost, and I am not sure how comfortable I'd be having the most expensive watch I'd ever bought on my wrist on holiday and in the pool and sea.

So fellow TWATters - are there any options I've missed?
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While any major watch purchase will have to wait a bit for me... the VC I've been eyeing is picking up some stiff competition.
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Originally Posted by Winot View Post

I am weighing up my next purchase, which will be:

(i) A holiday watch, for swimming, so either on a bracelet or rubber strap
(ii) With a GMT complication
(iii) Not too large - 40/42mm ideally although could push to 44mm if it doesn't wear too large
(iv) Ideally with a date, although not a deal breaker.

The front runner at the moment is the Rolex Explorer II with a white face. I also looked at (and tried on) the GMT Master ii (tried both black and blue/black) but not overly keen on the bezel or the shiny links. Prefer the Explorer brushed bracelet.

Downside of Explorer - not too keen on the Cyclops date.

Other option considered is the Patek Aquanaut Travel Time. Downside is obviously the cost, and I am not sure how comfortable I'd be having the most expensive watch I'd ever bought on my wrist on holiday and in the pool and sea.

So fellow TWATters - are there any options I've missed?

Nope - the EX2 is AWESOME. Look no further.
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The ExplorerII does not have a true GMT function, though, right? The 24HR hand and bezel markings are only to tell the user if it is AM or PM. 

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Originally Posted by Winot View Post

I am weighing up my next purchase, which will be:

(i) A holiday watch, for swimming, so either on a bracelet or rubber strap
(ii) With a GMT complication
(iii) Not too large - 40/42mm ideally although could push to 44mm if it doesn't wear too large
(iv) Ideally with a date, although not a deal breaker.

The front runner at the moment is the Rolex Explorer II with a white face. I also looked at (and tried on) the GMT Master ii (tried both black and blue/black) but not overly keen on the bezel or the shiny links. Prefer the Explorer brushed bracelet.

Downside of Explorer - not too keen on the Cyclops date.

Other option considered is the Patek Aquanaut Travel Time. Downside is obviously the cost, and I am not sure how comfortable I'd be having the most expensive watch I'd ever bought on my wrist on holiday and in the pool and sea.

So fellow TWATters - are there any options I've missed?

 

Both Explorer II and the GMT's have a cyclops and both are great watches that are more than able to meet your requirements.  If the polished links of the current GMT bother you, you could consider a prior generation pre-owned 16710 which doesn't have polished links.

 

I have a previous generation Ex2 and its been my travel watch for 13+ years, plus a daily wearer for several years also.  A great watch, its only down side is the brushed bezel does pick up some scratches, while the inserts of the GMT's new and old, resist showing scrapes and scratches...although that may not matter to you.  Yes, polished links on a new GMT bracelet would show scratches.

 

I have a new blue/black GMT and I really like it a lot.  Its basically the same watch as the Ex2, just some stylistic differences, and the size.  

 

I'm not a fan of the Aquanaut, so for me that wouldn't be a watch I'd consider.  I'd be more apt to consider an AP RO Dual Time if you can find one (discontinued during the last year) or a VC Overseas Dualtime.  

 

That being said, for travel and swimming and maybe more rugged activities, I'd go EX2 or GMT.  I know some here would take their PP, APs, or VCs swimming but I don't feel comfortable doing that.  More importantly, for a while one of our local airports was making people take off their watches to go through security.  Sorry, but I don't want to take off a watch that's $10K plus (even though I would have insurance on it) and then have it go through xrays etc and then potentially go missing by the time I go through the metal detectors and get to where the bags should be coming out.  It would probably never happen, but I'm not taking that chance.  

 

Wishing you luck with whatever you decide.  :cheers: 

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The ExplorerII does not have a true GMT function, though, right? The 24HR hand and bezel markings are only to tell the user if it is AM or PM

That's only on the original "Orange hand" model from the 1970s and early 80s.  The 16570 and modern Ex2s you can independently adjust the "Mercedes" hour hand for local time and the orange/red hand tells time back in your home city.  Cheers!

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@mimo: worth the wait... great watch and lots of juicy info. Way, way out of my league of course, but I can appreciate much of what's going on there.


@winot: for me, it would be the modern Exp II and I much prefer the black dial personally. I've had a crush on it for a while now. But that's *only* if you're sure the size works for you at 42mm.

If you're set on a white dial and willing to consider pre-owned-- then I've always thought the Omega "Great White" was a nice, sporty travel watch. You should be able to find one for a fraction of the Rolex. Just an idea...not my pic:




Regardless, always be sure to enjoy the process of the chase!
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


The hands, though too short for the dial, are nice.

Other than that, I see a lot of amateurish elements, especially the date placement. What's the point of getting ValFleurier to make movements for them so they can claim "in-house" if they can't even be bothered to specify a date wheel that fits the dial? It would have looked fine if the inner edge of the date window aligned with the inner hour-marker circle instead of clumsily sitting inboard. Even worse is the cut-off “III” in the space the other side should be occupying. That kind of ham-fisted date placement is the calling card of an off-the-shelf ETA/Sellita/Soprod/Spooginar movement.

There’s no excuse for the cheap, generic sans-serifs used for the seconds subdial and date, either.

While it's at least better than the 42 mm model, I still don't think it's the type of watch that's going to age gracefully. Unlike the Datejust, this one will likely just keep depreciating; it’s just a bit too badly drawn. It doesn’t look like a finished design to me.

 

 
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I'm a big fan of Cartier cufflinks and watches, but I tend to prefer the watches they were making several years ago.  I am not a fan of the Calibre in any size.  I've tried on the 42 and the Calibre dive watch and the only 2 improvements I see with the 38, is they are no longer using a mix of sticks, Romans, and Arabic numerals on the dial (which I find a stylistic mess), and the 38 doesn't have that annoying date window displaying 3 dates (although I don't like the window's trapezoid shape or it cutting into the III). I have tried them on and I did not like how they sat on my wrist with a strap or a bracelet.  I found the bracelet to be like a bulkier variation of an Oyster bracelet, but less comfortable.  So I'd skip the Calibre models altogether.   

 

 

Thanks for the replies!

 

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That feeling doesn't even register with me (with the exception of my Charvet boxers tongue.gif). Probably because the most highly sought after collectables, the stuff I really treasure, are mostly all preowned. Though I do admit to occasionally being moved by an item's provenance, for the most part its ownership history is incidental.

 

I've bought several used & several new...did a lot of research on the new ones before 'pulling the trigger' as I hate losing money on resale! It hasn't always worked out as I've still flipped a 44mm Speedy & an Exp II.

 

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Originally Posted by Winot View Post

I am weighing up my next purchase, which will be:

(i) A holiday watch, for swimming, so either on a bracelet or rubber strap
(ii) With a GMT complication
(iii) Not too large - 40/42mm ideally although could push to 44mm if it doesn't wear too large
(iv) Ideally with a date, although not a deal breaker.

The front runner at the moment is the Rolex Explorer II with a white face. I also looked at (and tried on) the GMT Master ii (tried both black and blue/black) but not overly keen on the bezel or the shiny links. Prefer the Explorer brushed bracelet.

Downside of Explorer - not too keen on the Cyclops date.

Other option considered is the Patek Aquanaut Travel Time. Downside is obviously the cost, and I am not sure how comfortable I'd be having the most expensive watch I'd ever bought on my wrist on holiday and in the pool and sea.

So fellow TWATters - are there any options I've missed?

 

I lusted after the Polar Exp II for many months, I loved it for several months wearing it daily until I finally starting getting a bit weary about it's weight. It wore slightly heavier than I liked & I flipped it for a BLNR. Good luck with your decision!

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I'm interested in hearing opinions on meteorite dials in general as well as this watch in particular:
 

 

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It's out of this world.



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Is it wrong?


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I'm interested in hearing opinions on meteorite dials in general as well as this watch in particular:

Interesting dial but I'd worry about getting tired of its quirkiness down the road. Can also be a but hard to read. But maybe a nice part of a watch rotation.
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Originally Posted by IGotId View Post
 

I'm interested in hearing opinions on meteorite dials in general as well as this watch in particular:
 

 

In general I like stone dials (Lapis, Sodalite, Malachite, Onyx, Tiger;s eye, etc., particularly some I've seen on Piagets and Rolex in the past (I think they are better known for their work with stone dials than JLC).  That being said, I dislike meteorite dials on any watch.  Also, that's not one of my favorite JLCs.  I know lots here love them, but I find it sort of sterile and dull.  I'd much rather have one of their old Master Hometime watches if going with a round JLC.     

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