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just a humble lurker, but it seems like there's a bit of conflation going on with the concept of "upgrading." on the one hand, there's upgrading within a collection; i think the analogy to art here rings fairly true. i know the pepsi bezeled seiko 5 that will join my PAM when my new job kicks in will mean a lot to me for a long time in the face of potential "upgrades," even as i can (and do, and will...) drool over the beautiful shots of GMT's that pop up in this thread until my girlfriend elbows me for dereliction of attention.

 

but as for upgrades in the production process, the engineering or functional aspect of the watch industry seems important in a way that doesn't sit perfectly with the art industry. part of the charm of the hobby, at least reviewing its development over time, are silly things like complications arms races and rolex sending watches deeper than humans have any right to expect to survive underwater. there is an element of quantification that is a bit easier to track over time with watches than it is with art, and for better or worse (maybe just for ad-speak) the lore tends to follow this progressive technological narrative for watches.

 

in other words, premises (1)-(5) stand with respect to a watch's place within a given fan's collection; but with respect to the production of watches and their subtle (or not so subtle) changes over time, not quite so. it seems right that high-end watches fit the paradigm of premises (A)-(D) relative to other means of telling time (cell phones i guess?), but there's enough wiggle room between a given high-end watch "X" and another "Y" such that preferences between high end watches may arise along practicality or functional considerations. "upgrade" seems like an appropriate term for this... even if it seems a bit cold in the collection context. jmho :)

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Thank you very much! I guess mine was made in 1998, since it's in between 1998's 56 mil and 1999's 59.8 mil!

Mine's a 59.3 mil.
post #45963 of 48312
Interesting article if anyone wants to read!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33989554
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So I've been trying to figure out what my third timepiece should be (to go with my BLNR & IWC 3239). I'm trying to limit myself to 3-4 quality 'pieces for 2 main reasons; first, I'd prefer to wear my watches fairly regularly in rotation & second, I need to start putting more of my disposable income into college funds for my 3 young'ns.

I'm looking for a 'dress-casual' watch for my next 'piece & I've been literally all over the map wrt to my decision-making including a Reverso TT1931 (doesn't fit my round wrist well), a JLC MUT 39mm (a little too boring IRL), a JLC MC (prefer the older 40.5mm model versus the current 39mm), a Cartier Tank MC (a bit too fancy), & a Panerai 512 (a little too big at 42mm). 

The DJII has been on my list for awhile, however as Belligero posted I just find the bezel to be a bit too large on the current model.
Also, from what I understand the DJII is among the Rolex w/ the lowest resale value? It would be much easier to wait if I knew how long the wait would be!

Yes, that's why I was saying that if you're going for a DJII, don't buy new — unlike cars, they hold their value after the inital depreciation hit.
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[...]Yes, the only valid opposition to my assertion would have to illustrate that high end watches are more a matter of practicality than a subjective emotional attachment to a given material form.[...]

Ask a top watchmaker such as Robert Greubel, Stephen Forsey, Roger Smith, Philippe Dufour or Kari Voutilainen: "Are you an artist?"
An honest reply would be: "No, I'm an artisan."
In some cases, another honest reply could be: "No, I'm a craftsman of tools for illegal economic activities."
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From money laundering to bribery to just plain being a straight-up gangsta, there's absolutely a practical aspect to them:

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(from Ivan Guzman's twitter, obviously)

What symbolic meaning does a wristwatch have? (Symbolizing "I am considerably richer than thou" doesn't really count.)
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As an aside, I do wonder what percentage of megabuck watches are used as underground financial instruments... it's probably not insignificant. It's no secret that it's a handy (wristy?) way to discreetly move money across borders. OK, "discreet" may not be quite the right term considering the photos above, but it still beats the ol' cash-filled briefcase.

Another advantage of using watches instead of cash: not getting eaten by rats.

"According to Roberto Escobar, Pablo Escobar's accountant, they spent $2,500 a month for buying rubber bands to wrap the stacks of cash. They had more illegal money than they could store in banks. Therefore, they stored the bricks of cash in their warehouses. About 10% were destroyed each year because of rats."

The Accountant's Story
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watch buffs, i'm on the scout for a Submariner 5513, ideally made in my birth year, 1986 in good+ condition. ideally with box and papers but will also consider ones without. shoot me a PM with a reasonable price if you're looking to offload.

post #45966 of 48312

Speaking of BBC articles such as the one Farhad posted above, here's another article from the BBC on fine watches:

 

"The Super-luxury watches that take years to make"

 

The article's mainly about Roger Smith, who apprenticed to George Daniels after he impressed Daniels by making his own watch from scratch. Following Daniels' death, Smith remained on the Isle of Man and continued to make watches under the name RW Smith:

 

http://www.rwsmithwatches.com/home/

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#throwback. The kind lady receptionist gave me a nice travel pouch when I purchase a new strap for my 5035.

Maybe you can ask for them on your nx visit?

 

 

Although the dial is a flat black, the sunken day and month dials add a certain depth to the dial making it come alive.

Enjoying some wrist love.

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My first "real" watch! Truly love the thing. It meant a lot to me to wait for a long time, do a ton of research and finally purchase this one.

Real happy with my purchase, just need some better lighting and skills for the next pic wink.gif
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I haven't posted in a bit, so I figured I would bring out the 15300 today

:)

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watch buffs, i'm on the scout for a Submariner 5513, ideally made in my birth year, 1986 in good+ condition. ideally with box and papers but will also consider ones without. shoot me a PM with a reasonable price if you're looking to offload.

Your best bet is to contact a shop that specializes in vintage Rolex watches and tell them what you are looking for.  

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watch buffs, i'm on the scout for a Submariner 5513, ideally made in my birth year, 1986 in good+ condition. ideally with box and papers but will also consider ones without. shoot me a PM with a reasonable price if you're looking to offload.

 

HQ Milton has a 1985 16800 with B&P though on a nato for $4,500.  The issue with saying "I want a 1986 with B&P" is that once they find it, they can charge you a premium because you don't want their 1985 or 1987 but a 1986.  

 

Also I would worry less about B&P and more about the reputation of the dealer.  

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watch buffs, i'm on the scout for a Submariner 5513, ideally made in my birth year, 1986 in good+ condition. ideally with box and papers
Here you go:


http://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/rolex-submariner-5513-box-and-papers--id3322258.htm
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The issue with saying "I want a 1986 with B&P" is that once they find it, they can charge you a premium because you don't want their 1985 or 1987 but a 1986.
Yes, as a rule, the more specific and exacting your requirements the wider you must open your wallet.
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Yes, as a rule, the more specific and exacting your requirements the wider you must open your wallet.

 

That is a great rule and not only in the watch world.  

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I haven't posted in a bit, so I figured I would bring out the 15300 today

:)

 

 

Welcome back!  Your 15300 looks great !!!  

It's slimmer sibling says hello!

 

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