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Originally Posted by mildundklar View Post

Couldn't be more happy with this duo.

Rolex submariner 116610LN
CARTIER santos XL W20099C4


^^^Very nice pair.^^^

A guy could go just about anywhere with those two.

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Originally Posted by linstar View Post

Thanks for the insight! I mean I might occasionally ding it on something, but not planning on swimming or doing anything active with it on.

Average use in an office environment and at home should not result in ill effects on any RO (other than maybe showing a scratch or ding).  With long sleeves as part of the "Uniform" at the office, luckily I've hardly picked up any scratches.  Wishing you lots of luck and fun with your decision!

 

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Thanks for the info too Dino944, I appreciate it a lot. Wear your 15202 in the best of health!

You are very welcome.  Thanks for the good wishes!  :cheers:

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Just collected my 5035G. Boy i miss the heftiness of this watch and certainly missed it on my wrist.
Horolab did a great job in removing the 1mm deep ding as well, good as new. I was quoted $1800 SGD
just for serving by the authorize service center and a 3 months down time. Hence, went to Horolab and get my watch service and polish for $1700 and a down time for ard 2 month. Not cheap per say but looking at the equipment and professionalism they have, i left my watch with them.

Fun fact: the 5035 is the only Patek model that feature the roman numeral IV on their dials rather than the watch makers 4, IIII.

Just a few pic of their shop.




Next up, my lange which i send for polishing and service.


Bought a lil something from them as well, to appreciate my watch more hehe.. a made in swiss eyesglass.



Anyone has any idea how what these watchmakers see in the movement whether the watch's lub has dried up and requires serving? And links on how they remove the deep dings on watches?
Edited by Novelty77 - 8/18/15 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by linstar View Post

What exactly do you mean when you say "mechanically unforgiving" and that you would wear it more carefully than the 3021?

I am normally very careful with my possessions so I don't mind the scratching portion, and it would be the same with the 3121, no?

By "mechanically unforgiving", I mean that there's very little tolerance for wear in the 2121, so it's critical to keep it maintained. Earlier this year, a friend of mine bought a 15202 that had been to AP for a 45000 NOK (6850 USD equivalent at the time) service in October 2014 with its previous owner. The cost was unexpected; the watch was running without apparent issues when it was brought in. Unfortunately, it had gone somewhat dry and several major components were worn beyond repair. This is not a movement that will tolerate extended service intervals.

Being about 40% thinner than the cal. 3020 (3.05 mm vs. 4.25 mm), it's also inherently less robust. However, it's a top-end movement that's not necessarily problematic if given proper care and maintenance. A few years ago, I happened to be seated at a restaurant next to someone wearing an A-series 5402 — the watch was around 40 years old and still going strong, and had evidence of a non-coddled life. It still looked great, though!

I think you have reasonable expectations, and that you'd be satisfied with any one on your list. smile.gif
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The shackles might be a bit of an unfair comparison, but I would say that because of the integrated lug design, the 15400 does feel like a substantially larger watch than its 41 mm measurement would suggest.    

Edit ...just saw your photos...the 15400 definitely looks larger on you than I recalled it looking on me and I do not have large wrists.  In any event, good thing I didn't go with the RO "Shackle edition"...I should have copyrighted that in case AP wants to use it to name another limited edition wink.gif  

I've worn my 15202 basically as a daily wearer for roughly 3 years (knock on wood) no issues.  Its certainly not as robust a movement as something from Rolex, but it can handle day to day usage.  Then again, I'm a bit older than you and I don't do any off road biking etc., so my watches probably lead something closer to a babied lifestyle than yours.

The lack of a quick set can be a bit of a headache if the date is say 2 or 3 weeks behind the current date (although there is a recommended short cut to advancing the date by going back and forth between 10 pm and 2 pm to advance the date).

The key factor is for the OP to try on each watch and then decide. 

As you know, the Jumbo was introduced at a time when people who wanted a nice watch just bought one and wore it every day, and its movement is essentially unchanged to this day. It's not exactly a delicate flower. I just thought it was worth noting the service requirements of a high-grade ultra-thin movement, and that it's not as unlimited-use-capable as something like a 6-mm-thick Rolex 3135. I of course wouldn't wear it on the bike, for instance. Also, that's not my wrist in either photo; the 15400 fits me fine, I'd just prefer the original if I was to get one.
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I find there's a lot to like about any Royal Oak. When I say that the 15400 is my least favourite current RO, it's kind of like saying that the 458 is my least favourite current Ferrari — it's still pretty great. (Caveat: I don't follow modern cars, so the analogy is probably flawed. Modern Ferraris could well be as appliance-ey as anything else, but APs are still definitely old-school legitimate-manufacture watches.)
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I just spotted this article, published in an Australian online site but apparently originally from the NY Times, about the evolution of Hodinkee: 

 

http://www.executivestyle.com.au/hodinkee-inc-is-the-facebook-for-watch-aficionados-gj1z11

 

The money quote: 

 

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The new venture is Hodinkee Inc., a merger of Hodinkee, the influential watch site started by Benjamin Clymer, 32, a former project manager at the financial firm UBS, and North Technologies, Rose's app-development company that created Watchville, an 8-month-old mobile-news aggregator. Rose becomes Hodinkee's first chief executive at a startup that now has 12 employees.

Together, Rose and Clymer intend to push the site beyond its blog origins to become a one-stop destination and social network for watch geeks (imagine a Facebook of sorts for the cultish watch community).

They are also exploring an online auction platform to challenge traditional auction houses like Christie's, as well as eBay. Rose said he believes the site can bring more transparency to the preowned-watch trade, one that has long been a minefield for collectors.

 

 

So, if the article is accurate, it sounds as though Hodinkee wants to start offering its own auction service, as well as its own discussion forum/social network. 

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By "mechanically unforgiving", I mean that there's very little tolerance for wear in the 2121, so it's critical to keep it maintained. Earlier this year, a friend of mine bought a 15202 that had been to AP for a 45000 NOK (6850 USD equivalent at the time) service in October 2014 with its previous owner. The cost was unexpected; the watch was running without apparent issues when it was brought in. Unfortunately, it had gone somewhat dry and several major components were worn beyond repair. This is not a movement that will tolerate extended service intervals.
 

 

As mentioned on my previous post, can anyone who has a close watchmaker friend or information shed light on the lubricant issue on watches where owners can visually see the lub drying out? Of course this only apply to watches with exhibition case back..

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Oil doesn't dry as such,as nothing evaporates. But it can become more viscous and sticky over time, especially with absorption of microscopic particles from the wear of the movement.
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As mentioned on my previous post, can anyone who has a close watchmaker friend or information shed light on the lubricant issue on watches where owners can visually see the lub drying out? Of course this only apply to watches with exhibition case back..

Good question. While they may be able to tell with a loupe, I'm not sure, I think the amplitude can often expose a lube problem. Not sure we have any resident watchmakers on here but I'll ask my guy when I see him next.
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"A cheap but wrong solution is most expensive."

QFT.
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Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post

I just spotted this article, published in an Australian online site but apparently originally from the NY Times, about the evolution of Hodinkee: 

http://www.executivestyle.com.au/hodinkee-inc-is-the-facebook-for-watch-aficionados-gj1z11

The money quote: 



So, if the article is accurate, it sounds as though Hodinkee wants to start offering its own auction service, as well as its own discussion forum/social network. 

No wonder now the occasional snarky comments on the big auction houses on the H, and the constant coverage (shilling?) of vintage watches.
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

As you know, the Jumbo was introduced at a time when people who wanted a nice watch just bought one and wore it every day, and its movement is essentially unchanged to this day. It's not exactly a delicate flower. I just thought it was worth noting the service requirements of a high-grade ultra-thin movement, and that it's not as unlimited-use-capable as something like a 6-mm-thick Rolex 3135. I of course wouldn't wear it on the bike, for instance. Also, that's not my wrist in either photo; the 15400 fits me fine, I'd just prefer the original if I was to get one.
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Agreed, while not a delicate flower, its certainly not as rugged a movement as what one will find in a Rolex.  For basic use at the office, home, or average activities its fine.  I definitely, would not go shooting with it on, both due to the repeated recoil/shock and possibility of hot shells being ejected out and hitting it.  Years ago I did wear Subs and a GMT while shooting and they seemed fine.  Today, I probably wouldn't subject them to that, again more due to shells being ejected rather than recoil.  In addition, as you mentioned, I would not let them go unserviced for the duration that a Rolex (or possibly a Seamaster or Breitling) can endure without ill effects.   

 

Thanks for clarifying that isn't your wrist in the 15400 photos.  Cheers! :cheers:

 

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As mentioned on my previous post, can anyone who has a close watchmaker friend or information shed light on the lubricant issue on watches where owners can visually see the lub drying out? Of course this only apply to watches with exhibition case back..

Are you trying to observe or diagnose when your watches should be serviced, or are you just looking for general information?  I doubt you personally will be able to see anything.  When I think back on movements I've seen through exhibition backs and photos I've taken, I don't recall ever seeing a movement and thinking, "This looks like it has a good coat of oil" nor have I looked and thought, "This movement looked particularly dry."  Also, IIRC they don't coat things heavily in oil, its just enough to get the job done. 

 

Mimo is correct, the oils are not going to evaporate the way alcohol, water or other fluids do, especially as in most circumstances the movement & oil is contained in a water resistant case. However, old oils can congeal, get sticky, and they can become contaminated with microscopic particles, thereby no longer providing the same protection they once did.  If I were wearing something like a dress watch (which may have a more delicate movement and a less water resistant case) I would probably stick to the manufacturers recommendation for service.  With something more rugged like a Submariner...I would easily wear that beyond the manufacturers recommended service intervals without worrying.   

 

In the end being able to go several years without a service is pretty impressive.  Most machinery, particularly cars (even with the use of synthetic oils requires), require at least a service/oil change once a year.  

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"A cheap but wrong solution is most expensive."

QFT.

This should be hung above every shop. I remember years ago when pikcing out a watch, i was told a silimar piece of advice. "The most expensive watch youll ever buy is the one you get instead of the one you really want."
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No wonder now the occasional snarky comments on the big auction houses on the H, and the constant coverage (shilling?) of vintage watches.

So are you saying they anti-big auction house or pro? They're shilling for them but they're also disparaging them?
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I remember years ago when picking out a watch, i was told a silimar piece of advice. "The most expensive watch youll ever buy is the one you get instead of the one you really want."

+1

 

A friend of mine used to always buy watches and choose with the watch that was the so called "Better deal" rather than the one that he truly wanted.  Then he would still want the other piece, eventually sell/trade the one he bought, be subjected to some depreciation, and if he was truly unlucky, there may have been a price increase before he bought the piece he truly wanted.  

 

I'm a firm believer in saving up and waiting  bit longer to get the one you really want, rather than a substitute. 

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+1

A friend of mine used to always buy watches and choose with the watch that was the so called "Better deal" rather than the one that he truly wanted.  Then he would still want the other piece, eventually sell/trade the one he bought, be subjected to some depreciation, and if he was truly unlucky, there may have been a price increase before he bought the piece he truly wanted.  

I'm a firm believer in saving up and waiting  bit longer to get the one you really want, rather than a substitute. 

I wish i could count the watches i bought on a whim to scratch the itch of what i really wanted.
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