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I would always be checking for 12:00 and 0:00

 

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Originally Posted by ShawnBC View Post
 

I would trade it 110% for a Saxonia (or any other ALS, for that matter), any day. Since you already have your sport watches covered (with the AP, the Daytona and the other PAM), I'd go for it!

 

 

+1

 

The Saxonia is gorgeous. You could always upgrade for a bit more to the Lange 1 as well. It has a bigger case size and can be more easily worn casually IMO.

post #45033 of 48312
Another vote for the Saxonia. You need some yellow/rose gold in your collection.
post #45034 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Novelty77 View Post

Greetings Fellow TWATs!

I intended to register to this forum once my watch in back from servicing so
that I can introduce my humble collections to you guys but I'm in a serious
dilemma right now. Hopefully hearing your inputs, I can make a better choice.


I'm thinking whether to trade in my PAM 424 for a ALS Saxonia, of course with a top up. Should I go for it?
Watches like the Saxonia rarely surface in the preown market in my country, thus I have over the weekend
to think about whether should I go for it.  

Reasons why I bought the PAM 424:
1. Love the California Dial
2.Love the patina lume


Reasons why I want the Saxonia:
1.Its a Lange
2.The movement at the back; visual orgaism.
3.I could add a rose gold to my collection






Mandatory Wrist Shot. I have a 6 1/4" wrist, was surprised that the 47mm PAM 424 doesn't look overly big on my wrist. Was
wearing it the whole day today and kept thinking whether to let it go or not.

Kind of apples and oranges, isn't it? Anyway, maybe my experience will help. I had a PAM 449 (47mm Rad) and while I loved the dial, it wore so much larger than others that I was constantly wavering.
I ended up selling it, then bought it back because I missed it.

So, my free advice would be to keep the PAM and buy the Lange if you really want it. Or, you can always buy the PAM back later. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

Not a fake as such. Just a prolific seller who's known for having magically matching colours on the tritium bits and an endless supply of "unpolished" cases. Dye and laser welding seem much more plausible to many. It seems that he was barred from selling on the vintage Rolex forum for not following their policy on descriptions, but is still active on others.
Oh, and his prices seem about 30% higher than average. Regardless of what is or isn't being disclosed about the watches' originality, I personally would steer well clear due to the pricing alone.

Ha! I know the dude. Years ago I started getting suspicious for the reasons you stated. Raw cases, he says.
I still get tempted, though, occasionally.
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Originally Posted by Novelty77 View Post
 

Greetings Fellow TWATs!

 

I intended to register to this forum once my watch in back from servicing so

that I can introduce my humble collections to you guys but I'm in a serious

dilemma right now. Hopefully hearing your inputs, I can make a better choice.

       

I think my end game would probably be a platinum perpetual calendar. 

 

Welcome, fellow 6.25" wrist TWAT poster!

 

Folks are going to weigh in on your intermediate choices.  I am going to provide some fodder for your "end game":

 

1.  Here's a platinum perpetual calendar that is quite lovely, in my opinion.  The classic PP 3940P:

 

 

What?  You want a close up of that perfect dial?  Oh okay.

 

 

2.  You can also add a couple more complications to the perpetual calendar, like a chronograph.  Oh heck, a split seconds chronograph like the 5204P, why not?

 

 

(This was the first black dial 5204P delivered to the US, sometime late last year.  A good friend of mine ended up grabbing it via Tiffany.  It's so nice.)

 

3.  But since you mentioned Lange, why not consider a platinum perpetual calendar (split seconds chrono too) from them?

 

 

(I took this picture at the Lange boutique on Madison Avenue and they had this in the back; it was the first one to hit US shores, and was unspoken for at the time).

 

I hope these pics whet your appetite a bit.

 

P.S.  What is this "end game" thing you speak about?  I am not sure what it means...

post #45037 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Novelty77 View Post
 

Greetings Fellow TWATs!

 

I intended to register to this forum once my watch in back from servicing so

that I can introduce my humble collections to you guys but I'm in a serious

dilemma right now. Hopefully hearing your inputs, I can make a better choice.

 

Mandatory Wrist Shot. I have a 6 1/4" wrist, was surprised that the 47mm PAM 424 doesn't look overly big on my wrist. Was

wearing it the whole day today and kept thinking whether to let it go or not.

Get the Lange!  Completely different from what you presently own and it adds some diversity to your collection, which seems largely to be white metals. I tend to wear white metals for most of my sports watches, but I really like having dress watches in RG.  The color is IMHO a bit more understated than yellow gold, and it often works well for younger guys who want to add some color to their collection.  Sometimes yellow gold can make a watch seem better suited for men in their 60's. If you really like Lange then would also consider the Lange 1.  Love the size and the asymmetric dial.  However, if you love the Saxonia go for it!

 

PAMs are nice, but not on the same level of workmanship as a Lange.  You will still have a PAM even if you sell the 424.  In addition, sorry but I find any watch over 44 mm is almost always very poorly proportioned for most guys unless they are line backers in the NFL.  I had a friend who bought one and he is 5'11" and around 200 lbs and it looked overpowering on him. Thankfully, he came to he senses and traded it.  Wishing you luck with your decision. 

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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

Another vote for the Saxonia. You need some yellow/rose gold in your collection.

I guess so too. I also need some ceramic, platinum, tantalum and some DLC at that too! 

 

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post
 

Wow..quite an entrance!  What colour dial is the 5035?

 

I can see why a simple dress watch might take the place of a second Panerai, but is the Saxonia the only option?  I'm thinking with your wrist size, if you want a Lange then an original 36mm 1815 might be an option.  There are plenty around used for about the same price as a Saxonia, but I think they have a lot more personality with the blued hands and deck watch style Arabic numbers.  The proportions are also better for me - the seconds subdial on the Saxonia hugs the centre a bit and makes the case look too big, even with the clever use of the minute markers.

 

But it's hard to nit-pick something so lovely.  The heart wants what the heart wants, and Lange's right up there on my dream list too.


Mines the black dial white gold. Saxonia is pretty much my only option right now, brand and budget wise. The blue lancelet hands of the 1815 are indeed very seductive but the Arabic numbers killed it for me. Kinda removes the classiness of a dress watch. I still prefer roman or strips like the Calatrava/patrimony/saxonia if u know what I mean.:satisfied:  

 

As for "There are plenty around used for about the same price", I live in a small country and the preown market is not really huge. I also prefer to try the watch physically that's why buying from the web is a nono. I'm from Singapore by the way. Thanks for your input mimo!

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Originally Posted by ShawnBC View Post
 

I'm not partially fond of the PAM 424 as I'm not fond of the California dial to begin with (to each his own, I guess). I would trade it 110% for a Saxonia (or any other ALS, for that matter), any day. Since you already have your sport watches covered (with the AP, the Daytona and the other PAM), I'd go for it!

 

But that's only the biased opinion of someone who's truly in love with Lange models, and would give a kidney to own one one day! Totally non objective - you might want to wait for other members to give a more rational thought on the matter.

 

Quite a collection you have! I'm totally jealous!

 

Nothing to be jealous about buddy, mine are all entry level watches and preowned except for the PAM 424.Ironic right hahaha! Indeed the finishing of the lange, especially the case back sucks the breath outta u!

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Originally Posted by jhcam8 View Post


Kind of apples and oranges, isn't it? Anyway, maybe my experience will help. I had a PAM 449 (47mm Rad) and while I loved the dial, it wore so much larger than others that I was constantly wavering.
I ended up selling it, then bought it back because I missed it.

So, my free advice would be to keep the PAM and buy the Lange if you really want it. Or, you can always buy the PAM back later. smile.gif

That's what I was feeling right now bro! So what did u sell it for? I guess i'll follow your advice, the latter one of course :laugh:

 

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Originally Posted by Epaulet View Post
 

 

+1

 

The Saxonia is gorgeous. You could always upgrade for a bit more to the Lange 1 as well. It has a bigger case size and can be more easily worn casually IMO.

The Saxonia is gg for 11k USD, the lange 1 goes for 17k USD and the grande goes for 26k. That upgrade would cost me another few grand :(

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Originally Posted by Novelty77 View Post
 

I'm thinking whether to trade in my PAM 424 for a ALS Saxonia, of course with a top up. Should I go for it?

Watches like the Saxonia rarely surface in the preown market in my country, thus I have over the weekend

to think about whether should I go for it.  

 

Personally, I have no use for Panerai, so it's an easy decision for me. Lange all day long.

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Originally Posted by Novelty77 View Post

That's what I was feeling right now bro! So what did u sell it for? I guess i'll follow your advice, the latter one of course laugh.gif


Don't recall exactly, but the price was satisfactory - if I lost anything it was just a few hundred. I usually sell to a grey dealer that I've done a lot of business with, buying, selling, trading.
I prefer that to selling it in an ad - faster and no worries. PM and I'll give you the name if you want. Good luck with the deal, bro!
Edited by jhcam8 - 7/10/15 at 3:54pm
post #45041 of 48312
Wearing a 210 today myself, and I like the quirkiness of the Cali dial .... but if I were in the above situation, then yes I'd go for the Lange also.






Alden X Polo / J. Crew / Officine Panerai

(obviously it's a pretty casual Friday lol)
post #45042 of 48312
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post
 

 

Welcome, fellow 6.25" wrist TWAT poster!

 

Folks are going to weigh in on your intermediate choices.  I am going to provide some fodder for your "end game":

 

1.  Here's a platinum perpetual calendar that is quite lovely, in my opinion.  The classic PP 3940P:

 

 

What?  You want a close up of that perfect dial?  Oh okay.

 

 

2.  You can also add a couple more complications to the perpetual calendar, like a chronograph.  Oh heck, a split seconds chronograph like the 5204P, why not?

 

 

(This was the first black dial 5204P delivered to the US, sometime late last year.  A good friend of mine ended up grabbing it via Tiffany.  It's so nice.)

 

3.  But since you mentioned Lange, why not consider a platinum perpetual calendar (split seconds chrono too) from them?

 

 

(I took this picture at the Lange boutique on Madison Avenue and they had this in the back; it was the first one to hit US shores, and was unspoken for at the time).

 

I hope these pics whet your appetite a bit.

 

P.S.  What is this "end game" thing you speak about?  I am not sure what it means...

 

O man, no frills! You're like the superstar baller of TWAT man! Super honoured to have caught your attention. This "end game" watch basically means the last watch I would ever get, the pinnacle, after this watch, there are basically no other watch that will interest me, the "end" of my horology journey so to say. You can say that any of your watches can be my "end game".:worship:

 

 

 

Perpetual Calendars from high end brands are WAY WAY way way out of my league, at least for the next 10-20 years. JLC might be possible in the nx decade.  

 

  

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

Get the Lange!  Completely different from what you presently own and it adds some diversity to your collection, which seems largely to be white metals. I tend to wear white metals for most of my sports watches, but I really like having dress watches in RG.  The color is IMHO a bit more understated than yellow gold, and it often works well for younger guys who want to add some color to their collection.  Sometimes yellow gold can make a watch seem better suited for men in their 60's. If you really like Lange then would also consider the Lange 1.  Love the size and the asymmetric dial.  However, if you love the Saxonia go for it!

 

PAMs are nice, but not on the same level of workmanship as a Lange.  You will still have a PAM even if you sell the 424.  In addition, sorry but I find any watch over 44 mm is almost always very poorly proportioned for most guys unless they are line backers in the NFL.  I had a friend who bought one and he is 5'11" and around 200 lbs and it looked overpowering on him. Thankfully, he came to he senses and traded it.  Wishing you luck with your decision. 

Dino, another of my idol here on TWAT. enjoyed your post here as well! Does the 424 look overpowering on me too??

Thank you for your input, very relevant to me. I like understated,symmetrical and minimalistic watches.

 

Do you think what determines the actual size of a watch on the person is the bezel size. The bezel is like

the main focal point on the watch. Just like my AP ROO, although the case is stated 42mm, I think the bezel size is ard 38mm

so it looks fine on my 6.25" wrist.

  

 

a 42mm vs a 47mm on my wrist for your reference

 

Thanks guys for all your input! I think my choice is clear now.

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Also @Novelty77... please stick around! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Novelty77 View Post
 

Dino, another of my idol here on TWAT. enjoyed your post here as well! Does the 424 look overpowering on me too??

Thank you for your input, very relevant to me. I like understated,symmetrical and minimalistic watches.

 

Do you think what determines the actual size of a watch on the person is the bezel size. The bezel is like

the main focal point on the watch. Just like my AP ROO, although the case is stated 42mm, I think the bezel size is ard 38mm

so it looks fine on my 6.25" wrist.

 

Thanks guys for all your input! I think my choice is clear now.

Thank you for your kind words about my posts.  As for watches and whether they are over powering, I wouldn't just base it on a single picture, or on bezel size.  It really can depend on a few variables, first being the diameter of the watch case (not merely the bezel), the thickness or thinness of a watch, which in relation to the lugs can affect how it sits on your wrist and what it looks like when its on you.  Beyond that, it also depends on a persons build.  I've seen lots of guys that even if their wrist is large enough to hold a large watch, the overall size just doesn't make it a good fit or a good look for them.  I will leave it to you to determine if something 47mm is a great fit for you and your build.

 

The Lange is really a watch of a much higher quality of workmanship that the PAM.  In addition, you will still have another PAM in your collection, and the rose gold case of the Saxonia will also add some color to your all white metal watch collection.  So for these reasons, the trade would be an easy one for me to make if I were in your shoes.  Wishing you luck with your decision.  :cheers:

 

Best regards,

Dino

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Also @Novelty77... please stick around! biggrin.gif

 

What he said.

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