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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, JLC etc...) - Page 2926post #43877 of 483125/29/15 at 3:16pmI just can't stand when SA's get all snooty about luxury goods and brands. Puts a rotten taste in my mouth. I mean a raised eyebrow and clever double entendre is one thing. "Not even watches?" Come on now. What he really means is "not going to line my pockets." The TH Carrera actually does have some respectable provenance.
I don't quite know why the brand has become, as you say, the "whipping boy" other than that not much of what they produce tends to strike most serious watch lovers as particularly unique or special.
The brand did produce some supremely hideous examples in the 90s. But there are some decent enough - if a bit derivative - examples nowadays.
It may be that to someone who hasn't put in the hours of obsession and trained himself in the frivolous nuances of horology, a Tag looks like a decent enough watch at a bargain of a price compared to the competition (and he wouldn't be wrong), while to a seasoned watch aficionado, the Tag tends to look more like a beginner's mistake that says little about the owner save that they wanted a nice watch but don't know much about watches.
Some people don't but them just because so many people get snobby when you bring up Tag. But if you like it, go for it!
I wish I could be happy with a Tag. Sadly, I can't. Maybe I'll pick up a vintage Carrera one day if I let my collection swell. But on the 3+1 plan, there's just no room for one. To many others so much higher on the list.post #43878 of 483125/29/15 at 4:03pmWhen I completed my masters degree in 1991 I rewarded myself with the exact same watch that Dopey pictured. It cost $450 and although I've since moved on to a couple of Rolexes (thanks Stitchy!!) and it doesn't see much light, its still chugging away in the cupboard. I've got used to the size and weight of a submariner but still like the way that Tag looks.
I'm a strictly amateur watch geek but would hazard a guess that Tags are sometimes unpopular because they seemed to fully embrace the quartz movements and more recent efforts to use automatic movements (in house or imported??) haven't impressed the aficionados. Also as stated, a lot of their designs look like they have been 'heavily influenced' by big name brands. If Tags had a reputation for always having in-house auto movements since the fifties, and cost from $5k up, I think their image wouldn't be so tarnished. Still, I like 'em!post #43879 of 483125/29/15 at 4:04pmpost #43880 of 483125/29/15 at 4:46pmQuote:Originally Posted by Galix
I am a watch enthusiast and in those type of watches what I appreciate has more to do with either the movement or the history of the watch. I like small watches in general, but 30 mm is way too small for me to wear. So this would be a watch I'd have in my collection just to see and not to wear.
Good point. I'm a wearer though; I have yet to come across a watch that I desired so much that I would be happy just keeping it in my collection without wearing it.Quote:Originally Posted by Kaplan
Sorry, I haven't looked into that, just got it in my IWC newsletter today.
IWC's page for it is here, though I don't think they list the price.
If it's going to be priced like the other 3239 variants then it's at USD6,400 MSRP.Quote:Originally Posted by pmeis
Me too, though my biggest issue was with how thick it is? Comparing to a no date Sub its a nice deal if you like it, but I'm not sure why that watch has to be 15mm thick. Seems to wear lot bigger than the 114060, just didn't seem as elegant as it could have been (yes its weird to think of a dive watch as elegant...).
The 114060 is 12.5mm and the new SD4000 is 15mm. Same case size but boy does the new SD4000 pack more weight (and by extension, perceived wrist presence). For perspective, the DSSD is similarly "only" 2.5mm thicker than the SD4000 at 17.5mm - but it proves too monstrous for many people combined with its 44mm case size and Upton-ish proportions.Quote:Originally Posted by Dino944
At 30mm, I think it is too small to ever look quite right on a man. If you were wearing it, I would think you borrowed it from one of your daughters.
I read about them years ago, but to be honest they were never my taste. I could appreciate that they were one of the first serial produced lines of waterproof (now they say water resistant) watches, and they used details we now take for granted such as screwed down crowns and case backs that also screwed in to the case. Some have cool dials like the so called "California dials," others had notched bezels that look like they might have been the inspiration for the bezels on watches like the original TOG/Thunderbird or some engine turned bezels on early Oyster Dates, and some have lug hoods...that maybe became the inspiration for the lug pieces on Daytonas that come on straps. For me seeing this lineage is cool, but not enough to inspire a purchase.
However, if it puts a smile on your friend's face, that is all that matters. Cheers!
He pulled the trigger and seems to be happy with it! He was looking for a Sub originally, though, so I want to see if he will eventually come around to buying a Sub - and if he will resell the bubble back at a loss, as a result of this "interim purchase."
Today (and for most of the coming week) - shout out to @TheWraith:post #43881 of 483125/29/15 at 4:57pmpost #43882 of 483125/29/15 at 7:06pmI own three TAG watches. The first was a Kirium chronograph, a gift as a teenager. The second was a Monza, a Christmas gift during college. The third, a gift from my wife, was a Formula 1. I never really liked or disliked the brand particularly, but they've all held up very well. I still wear the Monza occasionally (mostly because of it's black croc strap and cushion case shape), the other two much less, but I don't really get the anti-TAG snobbery.
That said, my Parmigiani Kalpa Grande and SubC date currently see the lion's share of wrist time. I'd like to think that has more to do with their novelty and merits, not that I'm turning my nose up at the TAGs.
Edited by ctp120 - 5/29/15 at 7:59pmpost #43883 of 483125/29/15 at 7:48pmQuote:Originally Posted by Ianiceman
Can someone please do a quick summary as to what's the deal with Tag watches?
I realise two things - they aren't Patek Phillipe, they aren't even Rolex, and if a punter is happy with watch and price then that can't be argued with. I thought they we're a reputable brand at the lower end of the 'name brand' continuum, but I've come to learn that Tags seem to incur more wrath than all but the worst knock off fake brands. I saw a few nice models in a Tag shop in the mall recently, and when I mentioned this to a SA in the local specialty store he got all snooty and said they 'aren't even watches' - not sure what he meant by that, but it's somewhat typical of the snootiness I've observed. Is there any substance as to why Tag seems to have become the whipping boy of watch brands, or is it just internet bullies piling on?
Interesting that these days you find TAG to be a whipping boy of watch brands. Their vintage watches say pre-TAG take over...so I'll go a few years earlier and say pre-1980 had some real street cred in the watch world. Quality pieces, attractive designs, at reasonable prices. Then they hit a slump in the 1980s into the 1990s with relatively inexpensive watches, many quartz, many very ordinary quality, and some rather garish designs with cheesy gold plating. I think that period was their worst period and some pieces were basically a waste of money. However, in recent years with their retro inspired pieces, they have elevated themselves to building good watches again. No, they aren't Patek or Rolex, but they aren't priced like them either. I can't say I love any of the current pieces enough to purchase one, to be honest if I wanted something like one of their retro pieces...I'd probably seek out the best vintage Heuer (Pre-Tag takeover) that I could find.
As for snooty SA's I find them a bit amusing ( since they rarely realize they are joke). Most times the snooty attitude is a poor attempt at them trying to assert some level of control when it comes to a purchase (be it to influence a buyer into a higher end purchase or more often to dissuade a person from purchasing a brand they don't carry). Some consumers, particularly those that don't do their research on a product can be easily swayed by an SA's attitude or comments. I grew up with rather opinionated parents and I work in an industry where strong opinions that you can defend matter, so snooty SA comments don't bother me. I recall years ago, walking into an upscale shop, where my dad had previously purchased a Royal Oak. They carried Patek, AP, VC, IWC, JLC, and Cartier (they had carried Rolex many years earlier but lost the contract to carry it). My dad and I were walking around, at the time my dad was wearing an all gold Submariner and I was wearing a Rolex Daytona. Some women entered the shop, and asked, "Do you carry Rolex watches?" A young SA replied, "No, we only carry GOOD watches here!" At which point an older SA (who knew my dad and noticed the watches we were wearing) said to the younger SA, "You really should be more careful about making those types of comments'" with a slight nod to us. That wasn't the first or last time I heard an SA bash a brand that they didn't carry. Not to mention, all the SA did was essentially throw those women out, and he could have lost a sale with us had we been offended (we were just looking not buying and he wasn't our SA). Had the young SA been smart maybe he would have said, "I'm sorry but we do not carry Rolex,but we have some beautiful watches from Patek and Cartier that I think you ladies might really like. Why don't you come in and see for yourself."
If you like a TAG and it makes you smile, then buy it. Who cares what snooty SA's say. They need your purchase, you don't need to buy a watch from them, in most cases you can source a watch from some other place. Good luck with your shopping.post #43884 of 483125/29/15 at 10:48pmpost #43885 of 483125/30/15 at 2:20ampost #43886 of 483125/30/15 at 4:49ampost #43887 of 483125/30/15 at 5:04am
I've seen that Tag version of the BLNR and there are two things that bother me. On is the 24 on the top. The 24th hour is really 11:00pm - Midnight then it starts over with the 1st hour or 12:00am - 1:00am. Small thing but it stood out. The other is the seconds track numbers are flipped from the bezel numbers on hours 6-18.
I don't dislike Tags. A buddy's wife bought him some sort of chronograph and I was able to handle it. The pushers had a good feel and the watch overall fit well on my wrist. The only downside was that they said it cost something in the $5-$6,000 range! I didn't get into MSRP vs. what they actually paid but it stood out. Similar to when Rolex put out the BLNO for $30K+ and pissed off the steel lovers. Speaking of which, HQ Milton has a BLNO B&P for $28K. Quite a haircut for a slightly used watch!post #43888 of 483125/30/15 at 6:49ampost #43889 of 483125/30/15 at 7:07ampost #43890 of 483125/30/15 at 8:23amQuote:Originally Posted by Fosterions
I was hoping to get some help identifying this Hamilton to some degree.
I'd like to help, but really have no expertise on vintage Hamiltons. (Definitely like the brand.) You may find someone over at the Hamilton forum on WUS that could point you in the right direction.
I will say that it looks like a lovely watch that could become a nice daily wearer with a little TLC and obviously a new strap.
First step of course would be to find a reputable watchmaker to take a closer look.
For me, the "decision tree" would go something like this:
Are your Prince Charles? If yes, then absolutely! Rock on.
If no? Tread very, very carefully.
(not even hating on Prince Charles ... the dude has serious swag, in his own way)Quote:Originally Posted by atila
Haven't posted in here in years but still follow it... My date just that I wear most days at work and an interesting Muller I biught from a client (I'm a jeweler) for literally ten cents on the dollar. Really fun watch where the hour hand jumps all over the watch, white gold case.
I have a few others but these are probably my most interesting.
Ps: image is garbage quality, taken with iPad
Thanks for posting.
I will probably never own a Muller, but I do like the idea and engineering behind that one.
There was a really neat article (or maybe a series?) featuring him in Revolution about a year ago that gave me more of an appreciation for his designs and creativity.Quote:
I was prepared to like this new 300, but came away a little disappointed after trying one on.
Definitely the PCLs are a negative, at least to me. In fact, I think the bracelet design itself is a little too Oyster-like, and just not quite distinctive enough for that watch. It was like, flat, or something.
Maybe it would look better on mesh? I don't know. Just didn't care much for it. Maybe I will warm up to it at a later date.
And I understand that Daniel Craig will wear this one in Spectre (on a striped NATO), which practically guarantees it will be a huge success.Quote:Originally Posted by no frills
Anyway, back to something fundamentally related to watches. Aside from a blue dial 1601 from 1967, I have yet to pull the trigger on a great many vintage pieces. A young friend was looking at this bubble back from the 1930s. He seems perfectly happy with its 30mm case size, but the aesthetics do not appeal to me at all. Anyone into these models and can share some insights about details to appreciate?
I like the idea of having a vintage bubbleback, but always imagined the actual ownership would be less appealing. Just not sure how it would wear at that size.
And for me, I prefer the Cali dial / mercedes hands look. They are really cool old timepieces. Lots of great history there.
Very nice pair.
The family resemblance is striking
And BH has me craving an early lunch.
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