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post #43636 of 48312
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Originally Posted by ShawnBC View Post

 

Although I certainly wouldn't mind owning a PP 3970 in platinum as seen above, this is simply way out of my price range for a watch (hell, even for a car). 

 

#Limitedfunds

 

:happy:

 

It's certainly a stretch. I've been fortunate to be able to own (and hold) some of these (and the 3970s were "born" and "announced" right here on TWAT several years ago) - but I think the more important part of the experience is just appreciating the aesthetics, mechanics, history, value and everything else that's wrapped up in owning a timepiece, price aside.

 

That's why we gush over a variety of pieces here in good old TWAT! :happy:

 

@mimo will disagree with me on this, but I have a fun time chatting up my brother-in-law on how he feels about his USD80 G-Shock every other weekend when we see each other.  Why does it bring you joy?  Why does it occupy that piece of wrist real estate?  Why not an Apple Watch?

post #43637 of 48312
^ +1 Frilly.

I live vicariously through TWAT to a large degree. My Submariner is the limit to which I can go (and I'm very happy with it), but that's what TWAT is here for wink.gif
post #43638 of 48312
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post
 

 

It's certainly a stretch. I've been fortunate to be able to own (and hold) some of these (and the 3970s were "born" and "announced" right here on TWAT several years ago) - but I think the more important part of the experience is just appreciating the aesthetics, mechanics, history, value and everything else that's wrapped up in owning a timepiece, price aside.

 

That's why we gush over a variety of pieces here in good old TWAT! :happy:

 

@mimo will disagree with me on this, but I have a fun time chatting up my brother-in-law on how he feels about his USD80 G-Shock every other weekend when we see each other.  Why does it bring you joy?  Why does it occupy that piece of wrist real estate?  Why not an Apple Watch?

 

Make no mistake - having limited funds/an upper price limit and being conscious of the price of a given timepiece doesn't make me less of a watch aficionados. Ok, maybe not as much as some of you guys in this thread, but I still lust over the horological importance of some pieces, movements (although I'm still in the beginning of my learning curve, as one might say). 

 

More than aesthetics, mechanics, history and price value, I feel there is a sentimental value that we could add to the list - some of my watches are certainly not "collector's items" or don't get praised by connoisseurs, but they each have a story behind them - once was my college graduation gift and first "Swiss-made" watch, an other was a watch my parents gifted me and although it's not a watch I would've bought for myself, I'd certainly never consider flipping it or trading it in, because of it's gift nature. An other was an engagement gift from my wife, etc.

 

All in all, yes, I believe price is an unavoidable factor about a watch, especially when buying, but it's certainly not everything that's important in loving a watch! As you said, a 80$ G-Shock can have the same effect on the right people than a 140,000$ Patek; it only depends on what you're after!

 

Hope I don't pass off as defensive, it wasn't my intent. 

 

Edit: regarding the Sea-Gull M199S, I agree it doesn't match the 3970 by any mean. I wasn't directly comparing the 2 (you know what they say - comparing apple to oranges). I was simply implying that for 500$ USD, you get a pretty nice mechanical chrono that's more on the dressy side instead of the sportier side. The share a certain aesthetic to some extent, but I'm convinced the M199S have it's own qualities in itself even if it's not written 'Swiss made' on the dial and possess a movement of important horological importance! 

 

:cheers:

post #43639 of 48312
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Originally Posted by ShawnBC View Post

Although I certainly wouldn't mind owning a PP 3970 in platinum as seen above, this is simply way out of my price range for a watch (hell, even for a car). 

I took note of the even in even for a car. To me, it actually makes much more sense to spend more money on a watch than a car. I seem to recall having discussed this in TWAT before, but I'll revisit.

I assume this is in part due to where I live in the world, cars are slapped with heavy taxes, costing about 3 times the US price. Watches cost about the same as elsewhere. Buying a car in stead of a Patek will get you a pretty sweet luxury ride in the US, while me only a rather nice Audi. Better to get a nice watch and a boring but sensible cheap car. Did I mention the gas prices? biggrin.gif Then there is the added bonus of knowing that the nice car will be nails and scrap metal in 30 years, while the nice watch will (presumably) appreciate and still tick for the next generation (cue Patek commercial ...). I suppose this comparison would not be applicable if the car was a classic sports car perhaps.
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I took note of the even in even for a car. To me, it actually makes much more sense to spend more money on a watch than a car. I seem to recall having discussed this in TWAT before, but I'll revisit.

I assume this is in part due to where I live in the world, cars are slapped with heavy taxes, costing about 3 times the US price. Watches cost about the same as elsewhere. Buying a car in stead of a Patek will get you a pretty sweet luxury ride in the US, while me only a rather nice Audi. Better to get a nice watch and a boring but sensible cheap car. Did I mention the gas prices? biggrin.gif Then there is the added bonus of knowing that the nice car will be nails and scrap metal in 30 years, while the nice watch will (presumably) appreciate and still tick for the next generation (cue Patek commercial ...). I suppose this comparison would not be applicable if the car was a classic sports car perhaps.

Yes, with most modern cars everything you mentioned above is accurate, particularly if its a country with big taxes on imported cars and cars with engines over 2 liters.  Also, there are issues such as insurance, storage, and service, all of which tend to be significantly less costly for say a collection of 4 nice watches vs 4 nice cars.  Also, parking can be a major problem in some cities, so public transit or an inexpensive car may make a lot more sense.

 

However, yes these issues all change once you get to exotic sports cars of say the 1980s and earlier, classic cars, or air cooled Porsche 911s and 930 Turbos, as the markets for these have all gone up drastically during the last 2 to 3 years.  These generally are no longer daily drivers so the cost of fuel is less of an issue, there is specialty insurance (that reduce annual premiums), and sometimes with less use maintenance costs can be more tolerable in some years.  

 

Much like fine watches- there is an element of vintage sports cars/classic cars being a form of art work in terms of beauty and details, there is an element of appreciating the amount of hand workmanship (something one doesn't really see on modern cars), and rather than the audible ticking of a watch one gets the roar of an engine.  

 

A major difference is the watch is also better for someone who wishes to be more discreet, as the sleeve of a dress shirt generally keeps a fine watch out of the view of most people.   A car is out there for everyone to see unless its kept in a garage and never driven. The one area where the car differs or may even have an advantage is it is a bit like having your own amusement park ride that can be enjoyed in on nice winding roads over looking amazing scenery.  Enjoying both can be great for some people, but I have several friends who are devoted to just one of these two hobbies for many of the reasons mentioned.   

post #43641 of 48312
I think there's just a mentality that a watch should be lower on the list of priorities. Many think you should own a nice house, then a nice car, then if you have money leftover, you can buy yourself a watch. My car has 140,000 miles on it and I don't plan on replacing it anytime soon. I'd much rather park my money in my BLNR that will hold the value over time instead of buying a car that by definition will be worth $0 eventually. Of course would I rather be able to have BOTH a nice car and several nice watches? Of course! But I get to enjoy my watch all day long and only get in my car twice a day.
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I think Dillardiv has it all right. Most of us would indeed like to have a nice car AND a nice house AND nice watches AND nice [insert hobbies here] etc. The judgment call by which you decide on which you want to spend your hard earn dough on first is pretty personnal and heavily influenced by a lot of external and internal factors.

Unfortunately, only few can have the best of the best in everything!
post #43643 of 48312

@ShawnBC @NonServiam @Dino944 @Dillardiv - yup, great points overall.

 

On my end, I've primarily lived in urban areas so I've never had the need to own a car.  Which probably explains why I've "developed appreciation" for watches and other things...

 

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post #43644 of 48312
Can echo @NonServiam's comments on the taxes and cars, so in a sense watches are an affordable hobby wink.gif

Now, speaking of affordable and continuing my blue period (less offending than the last one), got this strap today for Zenith:



Unfortunately the seller cancelled my order for brown so I'll have to find that one again...
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Decided what I previously wrote was a little rude.  I love getting into fun conversations regarding cars and watches.

post #43646 of 48312
If you are a working professional, I guess you can have anything you want, but not everything you want. The rest is priorities. I think maybe I read that in this thread at one point smile.gif
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How could I not post this (again) lol8[1].gif

Here is a USD 30k watch in a USD 10k car, used market value. Watch by a Swiss company that claims you don't own your expensive watch, car by Audi and VWs plain but well-built Czech cousin.

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Sorry, douple tap.
post #43649 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Dillardiv View Post

I think there's just a mentality that a watch should be lower on the list of priorities. Many think you should own a nice house, then a nice car, then if you have money leftover, you can buy yourself a watch. My car has 140,000 miles on it and I don't plan on replacing it anytime soon. I'd much rather park my money in my BLNR that will hold the value over time instead of buying a car that by definition will be worth $0 eventually. Of course would I rather be able to have BOTH a nice car and several nice watches? Of course! But I get to enjoy my watch all day long and only get in my car twice a day.

A house is clearly the most important thing, the rest are toys.  However, just to clarify, as NonServiam previously noted there is a difference between a nice car and a classic car/vintage sports car.  

 

A quick exaple of the difference...one could have bought say an E Class Mercedes or 5 series BMW two or three years ago for say $50- $60K.  They are very nice but those cars as you noted would depreciate to nothing eventually.  However, for the same money or less, someone could have purchased a nice Porsche 930 Turbo.  Today, rather than being worth nothing, or merely retaining value, they have each increased in value something like 2 or 3 times what they would have cost 2-3 years ago.  

 

That being said most people I know with a collectible car have an average car for bad weather, to use for picking up groceries and other mundane tasks.  I put over 200,000 miles on each of my last 2 daily drivers so there is something to be said for rugged, reliable transportation that allows one to spend money on other types of toys be it watches, cars, or some other interest. 

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Holiday weekend has me thinking beach.... On the rubber strap for the summer

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