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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

Sorry, the three hander you displayed a photo of looked to me like the date was set inward as a result of a small movement.  While Nomos don't really do anything for me, I'd gladly choose one over a Montblanc.  Beyond that, I am not someone who is so focused on having to have an in house movement that I would allow that to narrow my choices, nor would I allow it to excuse Montblancs offerings which I find less than appealing.  Again just my 2 cents. 

 

 

 

Didn't think my suggestion of some recent pieces as being interesting for a certain price point and for people to check out a brand would be met with such a.... negative response, therefore I didn't spend enough time making a more 'defensible' post and finding the 3-hander with no date.  

 

But here's a world timer under 6k.

 

 sihh-2015-montblanc-heritage-spirit-orbis-terrarum-1101828-TwoByOne.jpg 

 

While far from championing the brand - just found it interesting.  Some of there 2 and 3k stuff isn't all in-house either for the record.

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Originally Posted by DLJr View Post

I think that depends on the person. On my wrist, it's the only thing I can notice. I've tried talking my way around them several times, but every time I'd look down they are the first thing staring back at me. I think it's just more different strokes for different folks than "they work". And it's funny, just the smallest change to the width of the lugs on the SD4000, and I don't notice them at all. 

Odd. When I look down at mine, the first thing I see is the gorgeous, classic simplicity of that dial and the stunning cerachrome bezel. Those catch my eye before anything else. YMMV clearly. Either way, all good smile.gif
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@Sweden 

 

I'm just going to come out and say it. The models you feel are within your range are rather concerning.

 

I think the best strategy might be to save up a grand in cash first, and then find a pre-owned watch shop with a good reputation that will take your watch as a trade towards a newer Explorer. It's a common enough model that most pre-owned shops that deal volume in Rolex will have at least one to sell on a monthly basis.

 

The shop will probably want to make $800-$1k off your pilot when they resell it, so factor that in.

 

Or you can keep your IWC and adopt Mr. @Roycru's strategy and just eat less food until the savings are enough to purchase the watch you desire.

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Originally Posted by tigerpac View Post

But here's a world timer under 6k.

 sihh-2015-montblanc-heritage-spirit-orbis-terrarum-1101828-TwoByOne.jpg 

While far from championing the brand - just found it interesting.  Some of there 2 and 3k stuff isn't all in-house either for the record.

I'm impressed. I love world timers--might be the only Patek I am ever willing to buy. Just wish it was from an established watch manufacture--if this example was a Baume & Mercier I'd bite.
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Originally Posted by tigerpac View Post
 

So was at an event for the Madison Ave Watch Week in NYC and went by the Montblanc boutique.

 

They've got some very solid very affordable entry-level stuff now.  I couldn't help but think they would be good recommendations to friends just getting into watches.

 

e.g. http://www.montblanc.com/en-us/collection/watches/montblanc-star-classique-collection/110717-Montblanc-Star-Classique-Date-Automatic.html  for under 4k.  I like some of their newer stuff even more but no time to research pics.

 

They obviously have much higher haute stuff as well but something to think about.  There aren't too many players that make dressy pieces in this range and the high-end at the same time - I know I get a fair amount of questions from friends looking for help for a first watch from a 'watch guy'.

 

Just food for thought.

 

 

I agree, and I think that some of the newer, classically-styled Mont Blanc watches are very well priced for what you get.

 

The somewhat complicatedly-named Montblanc Star Quantieme Complet, for example, gives you a moonphase function, plus a calendar function (albeit not a perpetual calendar, as it doesn't calculate the different months for you – you have to adjust the watch when a month end in something other than 31 days) with day of the week and month displayed in a window, and a hand indicating the date on a ring around the outside of the dial.

 

It's a classic, very attractive design and is very similar to the Jaeger-LeCoultre Master Calendar – but the JLC costs about 9000 Euros whereas the Montblanc costs about 3500 Euros for the steel versions.

 

 

 

At a much higher price level, MB have also brought out a vintage-style "Pulsograph" recently. A few other companies have brought out similar models recently, too, including Longines, as part of "vintage" lines.

 

MB acquired Minerva a few years back, so their higher-end watches now use Minerva calibres, and their lower-end watches seem to typically use adapted ETA movements, and there's nothing wrong with that as they're reliable and easy to service.

 

Here's an article from Hodinkee on the Montblanc Heritage Pulsograph. It also talks about bit about Minerva calibres:

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/introducing-the-montblanc-meisterstck-heritage-sadfss

 

Montblanc also make a one-button Pulsograph with an enamel dial which looks really, really lovely (and it has a great Minerva movement, too). It's also very sensibly-sized at 39mm:

 

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-on-with-the-montblanc-blah

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FWIW, one of my young internet marketing kingpin buddies recently bought a Montblanc Timewalker chrono specifically because they are well made and modern but are far more "incogneto" than his gold sub.

 

Although, in truth, nearly ANYTHING would have been more incogneto than his gold sub. 

 

Anyhow, Montblanc does seem to be coming along. Having held a number of their pieces and hobnobbed with some shopkeepers (which got me my catalog; anyone want it?) I imagine it to be a rather satisfying watch to own, depending on what you're looking for. I do like how the purchase price includes a strap that you can select from dozens of colors and materials. As a company they are certainly still finding themselves stylistically. After they pinched Jaeger LeCoultre's CEO Jerome Lambert two summers ago, things started really developing.

 

One looking for a watch to represent a certain level of heritage and pedigree mights balk at Montblanc watches, as they haven't added anything of note to horology. But many of their examples are quite nice and the prices certainly are reasonable. 

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Yes, a perpetual calendar with an inhouse movement that is far too small for its watch case...really, so I can have this compromise for $12,000, all while knowing it will have all of the resale value of a half eaten stack of pancakes!  What a bargain.wink.gif     

Sorry, I just wouldn't want one.  If I can't afford a perpetual calendar from a manufacturer that I want one from, then I can't and I'll gladly admire them from a far.   I'm not one who is satisfied by cheaper compromises.  

Horses for courses I guess. The whole 'movement too small for the case' thing is often used as a blanket reason to denigrate a watch. I like to evaluate pieces on a one-off basis, and I frankly believe the MB perp still looks quite smart.

Never quite understood the TWAT focus on resale value. It has never figured into my thinking as I don't trade watches like baseball cards. I buy selectively and keep what I buy, but perhaps that's unusual in this hobby.
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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post

One looking for a watch to represent a certain level of heritage and pedigree mights balk at Montblanc watches, as they haven't added anything of note to horology. But many of their examples are quite nice and the prices certainly are reasonable. 

Their Villeret pieces certainly incorporate the Minerva heritage, but the MB branding may be off-putting to some collectors. The Villerets are expensive but still very well priced given the quality of the pieces.
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Originally Posted by Grammaton Cleric View Post

Never quite understood the TWAT focus on resale value. It has never figured into my thinking as I don't trade watches like baseball cards. I buy selectively and keep what I buy, but perhaps that's unusual in this hobby.

 

Same here, but I think that you're definitely correct in saying that there are quite a lot of "watch people" out there who do buy with an eye on re-sale value so that when they feel like adding a new watch to their collection, they can sell one of their existing watches to help fund it, or sell it simply because they don't wear it as much anymore.

 

A year or two back, I posed a question in this thread (or in its predecessor) about why the Classic Menswear side of SF prefers "non brand name" clothes but vastly prefers brand name watches, as it jarred with me a bit. Guys who highly prized small, little known clothing ateliers in distant places when it came to clothing were taking the opposite approach when it came to watches, and were exclusively focussed on watches from big, well-known watch companies - Rolex, JLC, AP and so on. I was curious as to why that was the case as it seemed very contradictory to me - why obsess over brand-name watches when you spurn and are openly disdainful of big brands when it comes to clothing?

 

Greg (gld203) and a couple of others chimed in and said that it was largely due to two factors - resale and servicing/parts. If you buy from a smaller, less-well-known brand that isn't well-known, then you'll probably take a big hit if you want to sell it down the track. Also, you can't be sure whether your new/small brand is going to be around in a decades' time and that would then affect the availability of servicing and parts and, if the brand goes under, that would also clearly affect resale value.

 

When it was explained to me that way, it made sense to me. It's not something that I focus on, but I can understand why others would.

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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post


Odd. When I look down at mine, the first thing I see is the gorgeous, classic simplicity of that dial and the stunning cerachrome bezel. Those catch my eye before anything else. YMMV clearly. Either way, all good smile.gif

I'm certainly not trying to say it's not an attractive watch, I just preferred the previous generation's proportions. I think when you have an image that you come to expect, changing it can bug some people like me who just won't get past it. I have a few wrist shot pics I've taken during tire kicking missions that I go back to and back to and it just still creates a shape and line I do not care for on my wrist. But as Dino said, more Subs and GMTs for you guys.

 

Congrats on the pick up by the way. I'm sure you'll love it for years to come. My idiosyncrasies should be ignored most of the time anyway. :cheers:

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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post
 

FWIW, one of my young internet marketing kingpin buddies recently bought a Montblanc Timewalker chrono specifically because they are well made and modern but are far more "incogneto" than his gold sub.

 

Although, in truth, nearly ANYTHING would have been more incogneto than his gold sub. 

 

This 116618LB with the blue sunburst dial though...

 

 

(No, not the one on the left - that's the one with the matte blue dial.  The one on the right)

 

I call this my "when I retire in Miami and wear ill fitting shorts, a golf shirt, a cap, and socks all the way up to my knees" watch.  Kidding aside, this one keeps drawing me back for a look/see, although given what I know of myself - if I really wanted it badly I wouldn't hesitate this much before I kopped.  

 

So, I must not really want it badly.  Right.  Right???  :brick:

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Sunburst dial is [insert emoji for giant thumbs up - like this one, thumbs-up.gif , but bigger]
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No worries, @DLJr. All is good smile.gif
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Originally Posted by tigerpac View Post
 

 

Didn't think my suggestion of some recent pieces as being interesting for a certain price point and for people to check out a brand would be met with such a.... negative response, therefore I didn't spend enough time making a more 'defensible' post and finding the 3-hander with no date.  

 

But here's a world timer under 6k.

 

 

While far from championing the brand - just found it interesting.  Some of there 2 and 3k stuff isn't all in-house either for the record.

 

Overall, not a bad looking world timer.  Also world timers have so much going on around the dial that it almost matters very little what the size of the movement is, its not a matter of everything being shifted to the center of the dial.  

 

Montblanc's watch offerings have been discussed several times in the last year or so.  Some think its a good value, some of us think its an ok watch, but nothing more impressive than countless other brands available.  Also as BostonH said, for those of us who value heritage or innovation...its a brand that has neither.  If a friend bought one and was happy with it, I'd say congrats and enjoy.  If a friend asked me for a recommendation...MB wouldn't make the list.

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Originally Posted by Grammaton Cleric View Post

Horses for courses I guess. The whole 'movement too small for the case' thing is often used as a blanket reason to denigrate a watch. I like to evaluate pieces on a one-off basis, and I frankly believe the MB perp still looks quite smart.

Never quite understood the TWAT focus on resale value. It has never figured into my thinking as I don't trade watches like baseball cards. I buy selectively and keep what I buy, but perhaps that's unusual in this hobby.

I think very few companies have managed to put a smaller movement into a larger watch case and been successful with it not looking either silly, not looking like the proportions are off, or like they merely wanted to cash in on big watch style but they pinched pennies when it came to the movement. 

 

I rarely trade or sell watches, I tend to acquire.  My oldest watch is 20 years old and was purchased new.  Many of my watches I wouldn't trade/sell as many mark significant events in my life.  I like to think that as much meaning as my watches may have to me, or my wife after I'm gone, that if there are pieces she doesn't want, or that she would rather sell/trade to get herself something else, that she wouldn't have something that is quite difficult to sell or has the value of a lump of coal.  

 

From another perspective consider if someone knowing little about watches asked for my recommendation, I would be sure to discuss resale value, or lack thereof with certain brands.  It would be a disservice to a real friend to avoid that topic and then have him/her unknowingly get screwed if they wish to sell or trade.  

 

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Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post
 

 

Same here, but I think that you're definitely correct in saying that there are quite a lot of "watch people" out there who do buy with an eye on re-sale value so that when they feel like adding a new watch to their collection, they can sell one of their existing watches to help fund it, or sell it simply because they don't wear it as much anymore.

 

A year or two back, I posed a question in this thread (or in its predecessor) about why the Classic Menswear side of SF prefers "non brand name" clothes but vastly prefers brand name watches, as it jarred with me a bit. Guys who highly prized small, little known clothing ateliers in distant places when it came to clothing were taking the opposite approach when it came to watches, and were exclusively focussed on watches from big, well-known watch companies - Rolex, JLC, AP and so on. I was curious as to why that was the case as it seemed very contradictory to me - why obsess over brand-name watches when you spurn and are openly disdainful of big brands when it comes to clothing?

 

Greg (gld203) and a couple of others chimed in and said that it was largely due to two factors - resale and servicing/parts. If you buy from a smaller, less-well-known brand that isn't well-known, then you'll probably take a big hit if you want to sell it down the track. Also, you can't be sure whether your new/small brand is going to be around in a decades' time and that would then affect the availability of servicing and parts and, if the brand goes under, that would also clearly affect resale value.

 

When it was explained to me that way, it made sense to me. It's not something that I focus on, but I can understand why others would.

 

As for clothing, it hold little to no resale value so, buy what you like as long as its well made, be it from well known brands or smaller more exclusive brands.

 

With watches, there can definitely be parts availability issues (my friend experienced that with an Eterna he purchased years ago).  In addition, as you noted service can also be an issue with less established brands.  

 

Beyond that, and I purchase brands that I like some with stronger resale than others.  While my wife doesn't care, I think it would be somewhat selfish to spend significant sums on watches that will essentially have little to no value in the future (should something happen to me and she wishes to sell or trade a few watches that are not her taste or are too large), especially considering its a rather expensive hobby.  Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post
 

 

This 116618LB with the blue sunburst dial though...

 

 

(No, not the one on the left - that's the one with the matte blue dial.  The one on the right)

So, I must not really want it badly.  Right.  Right???  :brick:

Of those 2 I prefer the starburst dial over the matte blue.  Cheers!

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For what its worth, I'm probably with the dissenting majority here. Not sure if I'll ever kop a MB myself - my current to-kop list is far too long already - but I do appreciate what they've been doing the past couple of years. And personally if I like the look of the watch and dial, I couldn't care less how much of the space in the case was empty air.

Out of curiosity Dino - what would you recommend at the low end / entry level price point?
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